Mafia 56: Scout Camp

[BobMcBob]

It does not seem likely TRC will return by EOD to claim. It seems he has entered orders in a diplomacy game in the last hour, so he may be scum deliberately hiding to get through D1 so that he can coordinate with his teammates, assuming there is not a mafia day chat. He does not have any votes, so he has no incentive to come back if he is scum.

I haven't checked to see if bozo's order entering claim is true but it's definitely worth keeping TRC on the watchlist. We'll see how he plays tomorrow though, if at all.

[BobMcBob]

I think there may be scum in the PR pool

I'd be incredibly surprised if there wasn't.

[Donny Dude]

It does not seem likely TRC will return by EOD to claim. It seems he has entered orders in a diplomacy game in the last hour, so he may be scum deliberately hiding to get through D1 so that he can coordinate with his teammates, assuming there is not a mafia day chat. He does not have any votes, so he has no incentive to come back if he is scum.

I haven't checked to see if bozo's order entering claim is true but it's definitely worth keeping TRC on the watchlist. We'll see how he plays tomorrow though, if at all.

I checked Therealcottonmouth's profile and he is in an less than 24 hour phase game and has been on webdip in the last 24 hours, so he has been online at some point.

[BobMcBob]

It does not seem likely TRC will return by EOD to claim. It seems he has entered orders in a diplomacy game in the last hour, so he may be scum deliberately hiding to get through D1 so that he can coordinate with his teammates, assuming there is not a mafia day chat. He does not have any votes, so he has no incentive to come back if he is scum.

I haven't checked to see if bozo's order entering claim is true but it's definitely worth keeping TRC on the watchlist. We'll see how he plays tomorrow though, if at all.

I checked Therealcottonmouth's profile and he is in an less than 24 hour phase game and has been on webdip in the last 24 hours, so he has been online at some point.

Okay, that is very suspicious then. Definitely something to keep in mind.

[BobMcBob]

Bob would be a good lynch among the VT claimants. Bob, like worcej, was arguing both sides of the anti mass claim argument, that it helps scum and that it takes away from the game.

none of those arguments were AI

Of course this is me talking here, but I don't see why that makes me a good lynch. It does help scum, and it does take away from the fun of the game. Doesn't matter who or what I am, the second one is undoubtedly true and the first is the way I interpreted the numbers, and the way I still interpret them.

[BobMcBob]

Chaqa is currently voting for a PR claimant. That means he is either a PR and believes one of worcej/TRC is also a PR, or he is VT and believes both worcej and TRC are PRs, or he is scum.

Or he just doesn't give a #$^%, and hasn't thought about it that deeply. Which is probably the most likely option given the rest of his behaviour around that point. Still probably the third option, but not because of what you stated here.

[BobMcBob]

comparing worcej unwillingness to claim to chaqas I think I always prefer how worcej has handled it

Well obviously. Worcej went about refusing to claim for a reason, which he stated. Chaqa was just blundering about saying he couldn't see a reason to and putting it off as long as possible. This is where it is important to address mood and method, not just surface-level actions.

[Hellenic Riot]

I think the most damning thing about Chaqa was the totally unexplained vote on Bozo with about five minutes to go when it became clear that it was either Bozo or Macca on the block.

[BobMcBob]

how fucking hard is this jesus christ

How hard is it to understand I don't have a strong read on anyone because I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO READ YET.

I think the entire massclaim idea is bad and if he's the one behind it, I'll vote for him due to that, but I missed most of the game so far.

He has proposed mass claims as town many times and you know it, it's a silly reason to vote for him. At best it's NAI.

But this massclaim's statistics were horrible compared to a lot of other games. Unfortunately, bozo's entire meta from what I've heard is massclaim every game at this point. I can't see a good reason for town to propose massclaim this game, but bozo loves massclaims way too much at this point it may not have stopped him.

[BobMcBob]

Between Bozo and Worcej I will vote Bozo, but I don't have a scumread on him, more a null read.
From the VT list I would lynch between HR, Macca and Bob, but none of them have votes.

macca has a vote. I would vote for Bob as well.

@xorxes I'd like an explanation on why you want(ed) to vote for me. What exactly was it that I did to earn your dislike? Is this another base level analysis of actions or do you have some actual gut behind it?

[BobMcBob]

I prefer Bob to Macca, but Macca is a reasonable scum candidate among the VT claimants.

##VOTE Macca

Also very much interested to hear your thoughts here. What have I done to make you scumread me? If it was simply my opposition to a massclaim, can you provide a good reason why that warrants lynching me? The massclaim was a bad idea, and I don't feel like I was being anti-town in refusing to claim until I did.

[BobMcBob]

I don't like the Bozo vote because at this point I feel like if he were scum he'd have done something other than continue to spout crap about the massclaim even while the votes were piling up on him

This is probably the best point I've heard so far in bozo's defence. I dunno though, I'll deduct a few scumpoints for it.

[BobMcBob]

@Chaqa

If you're so mad about the massclaim, how about voting the 'VT' that started it by claiming when only 3-4 people had expressed any interest in it whatsoever, ie damo :)

I was actually just considering this.

Shocking that some of those people voting me because I wouldn't claim didn't unvote when I claimed. Almost like it was just an excuse to get an easy mislynch.

##Vote damo666

Weeeeeell not really. Because the way you went about in those pages was extremely anti-town, if not scummy. They had plenty of reason to keep their vote on you after you claimed.

[BobMcBob]

I don't like the Bozo vote because at this point I feel like if he were scum he'd have done something other than continue to spout crap about the massclaim even while the votes were piling up on him

his problem as scum is he has a hard time coming up with genuine reads.

I told him to give genuine reads. Instead hes been robotic and true to his scum meta, and has been solely hiding behind the massclaim.

Also, theres that thing that quite a few people giving me the heebeejeebies are trying to dissuade us from wagoning him.

Okay, yeah, bozo can have his scumpoints back. This is another in the long list of things bozo has done wrong. He gave no actual reads all day, and his entire play was debate on the useless massclaim. At the very least bozo should start giving us actual reads.

[BobMcBob]

EMC, what do you think of Damo?

I think he's town. Just compare what he's done so far to the last what, three games when he was scum? There's a stunning contrast that I don't think is likely intentional, since if he was interested in changing he would've done it two games ago.

If you roll mafia repeatedly in a setting like this then the first and best thing to do is try to change the way you play so that you don't get instalynched. Instead of going on meta, have you looked at what Damo has actually done this game? Because almost all of it is terrible.

I do think this is a good point. Just because someone doesn't fit their meta doesn't mean we can necessarily read too far into it. By a similar logic I could make a case for lynching emc, but that's not something I want to do, nor do I believe it would be a good case.

[bozotheclown]

VT: damo, rdrivera, HR, bozo, Durga, Donny, summit, brainbomb, BobMcBob (9)

Macca573 (7): xorxes rdrivera2005 bozotheclown Durga summit_fever Hellenic Riot damo666

The overlap here is interesting. With at least 2 scum in the VT claims, possibly 3, Donny, brainbomb, and Bob are the only possibilities that would not have been bussing Macca.

Maybe the remaining scum are Jamie, TRC, brainbomb, and Bob.

Reasoning please? This makes absolutely no sense. This is just adding 7 and 9 to get 3. There is very likely at least one scum in the PR list, and not all the PRs voted for Macca. What are you even trying to say, and where is your logic? I can't make it out. And also what on earth did you plop that potential scumteam on the bottom for, it has no relevance to the rest of your post. Bozo has been highly inarticulate this game.

What I was saying was that of the 9 VT claimants, which we know contains at least 2 scum, 6 voted for Macca, so either scum was bussing Macca or the scum is contained in the other three, Donny, brainbomb, and Bob.

My speculation about the remaining scum team is based only partly on the possibility that no scum was bussing Macca, and partly on others things I have previously mentioned.

[bozotheclown]

VT: damo, rdrivera, HR, bozo, Durga, Donny, summit, brainbomb, BobMcBob (9)

Macca573 (7): xorxes rdrivera2005 bozotheclown Durga summit_fever Hellenic Riot damo666

The overlap here is interesting. With at least 2 scum in the VT claims, possibly 3, Donny, brainbomb, and Bob are the only possibilities that would not have been bussing Macca.

Maybe the remaining scum are Jamie, TRC, brainbomb, and Bob.

You think Donny is more towny than brainbomb? brainbomb-macca interactions don't strike me as S-S.

Donny did vote for Chaqa when I was leading Chaqa 5-4, so my speculation that Donny is town is based partly on my assumption that Chaqa is scum.
brainbomb seemed to be defending me from getting lynched, but he never voted for Macca when the vote was close, so I am not sure what to make of that. I will have to review Macca's interactions. It very well could be that there was a busser.

[damo666]

That would be really weird and new sided
Have any of the others showed scum tendencies other than not posting a lot in your opinion?

Bob, Chaqa and worcej, I would say at this point. But worcej may be town.

You'll know tonight most likely.

The options for tonight are as follows:

1. EMC and I die, because I was wrong. LVP points for me.
2. Just I die, leading to some fun little gimmics about how EMC lived and will require exposure from the scum team to try to protect him.
3. Neither of us die, because EMC is scum and they're screwed now that I shoved this out into the open.

Or you're both town and they let you live .

[bozotheclown]

Omg Chaqa just reveal so we can get on with our lives. Don't play like this it's anti town.

Every person who criticizes me but doesn't explain the rationale behind the massclaim is just proving my point.

If it was so pro-town, you'd all have the reasoning lined up.

Someone let you all get distracted by this nonsense the entire first day.

To be fair, he's not wrong. Someone(s) did get us distracted by the massclaim all day. It wan't a particuarly productive one. But enough people had jumped on the massclaim boat that it had already set sail. Nobody I don't have scum on said it was pro-town to start with, but it happened anyway.

Why do you think D1 was not productive when we lynched a scum?

[bozotheclown]

+10

Chaqa/Jamie claimed PR to make it 8 PR claims, then Worcej popped in at the end with his PR claim to make it 9 PR claims.

Okay, thanks. That makes at least 3 scum VT, at least one PR and TRC is a wildcard unfortunately.

At least 2 VT, because TRC could be the fourth.