Mafia 56: Scout Camp

[BobMcBob]

Bob and macca are still the scummiest though. Their reluctance to claim if they were VT seems quite unjustified.

I think my reason was perfectly fine. I didn't like the massclaim, so I stood against it until I had good reason not to. Like worcej, I was making a point. I later claimed when it became apparent that there was no point holding out any longer, and if I did hold out, I'd wake up in the morning and find myself lynched.

[Squigs44]

GM Note:
Jamiet99uk has replaced Chaqa

Thanks to Jamie for filling in.

[summit_fever]

People macca interacted with:

brain
xorxes
emc
Vecna
Durga
worcej
Bismark
bozo
Vecna
Donny
rivera
damo

Some of the interactions are neutral, but none gave me S-S vibes. The people they never interacted with are:

PR pool:
Chaqa
flash2015
JF1981
TheFlyingBoat

VT pool:
BobMcBob
Hellenic Riot
summit_fever

Unknown pool:
TheRealCottonmouth

I would not be surprised if the whole scumteam is in there.

I think this is a good way to proceed. I've looked up posts with macca directly quoted and there are three from the players ignored by macca.

Donny Dude and Brainbomb high on my initial scum list based on this post.
##vote Donny Dude

I'm new so I'm trying to understand. Why does this make you think this Bismark?

My guess is that he looks at it this way. If you assume the townfolk are truthful you'll have a lot of townspeople giving valuable information to the mafia which will pool it and a lot of unpooled misinformation going to individual townspeople which will prejudice their views and unlike a mass claim which is also stupid doesn't give the entire town a chance to "solve" the game. I tend to agree that it is scummy though if I had to guess one is scum and one is a useful idiot. Which is which I do not know.

Macca does seem a bit panicked though, I cannot tell if lost or just paranoia lunging for shadows.
Does seem scummy to me.

Definitely panicked. As I've stated before, I get scared when people have more information than me. And all this massclaiming stuff is getting (read: is) very confusing.

I'm not following what you mean by information and knowledge. Are you worried about those that you believe have a lot of general knowledge about the game?

I'm going to sleep now so time to vote.

##vote worcej

See you at night!

Worcej eh? I don't like that vote, but I suppose you're not going to look at this until night anyway. I do wonder though, why worcej?

[rdrivera2005]

You'll know tonight most likely.

The options for tonight are as follows:

1. EMC and I die, because I was wrong. LVP points for me.
2. Just I die, leading to some fun little gimmics about how EMC lived and will require exposure from the scum team to try to protect him.
3. Neither of us die, because EMC is scum and they're screwed now that I shoved this out into the open.

I know you might not agree, but I think you and Emc definitely should claim full role at EON.

It might be a case of everyone or noone.

It really would be great if the last person to claim would pop in here so we can decide what is optimal.

Did you miss Worcej buddy claim? I don't think other PRs need to claim right now. Maybe N2.

[summit_fever]

welcome jamie and thanks for subbing.

[BobMcBob]

Okay, nobody give emc any more +1s. Ever. He has a perfect number now.

Opps.

And the golden age has ended. Now we need to get him to 1234 I guess.

[Jamiet99uk]

Good evening.

It is after 1am here so I will not really be participating until around about 8 or 9 hours from now as even Jamie the T needs to sleep occasionally.

I see a scumbo was caught already, so that's a great start.

[BobMcBob]

In terms of horrible numbers, what really stuck out to me was bozo saying that if we had more than 8 PR claims we should get all the PRs to claim roles so that we can root out mafia. I cannot see any way that getting 1 or 2 mafia into a group of three to lynch from while simultaneously revealing exactly where to hit to nullify our best PR actions is a good thing. Not only that, he thought that (assuming one scum claimed Medic and one claimed cool guy) that a 1/3 chance of lynching correctly out of a pool of 2 PRs and one scum was a good deal. I can see no way town benefits from that. And I don't think bozo is stupid enough to mess up the numbers that badly.

I believe the mass claim benefits town if the scum choose to do that. However, we do not need to do the full mass claim immediately, certainly not D1. Maybe N1 if more than 1 scum claim PR.

Why would you want to allow the scum to coordinate their PR claims?

If you don't want them to coordinate the piles on D1, you would need them to not coordinate the claims for roles.

You are so obviously scum.

Anyone else wanna join me voting bozo again tomorrow? His maths has been bad all game, and he's been focusing heavily on numbers, trying to say the numbers are good, when they're not. And then this horrible statement... On page 32, he is still my biggest scumread.

[rdrivera2005]

I believe the mass claim benefits town if the scum choose to do that. However, we do not need to do the full mass claim immediately, certainly not D1. Maybe N1 if more than 1 scum claim PR.

Why would you want to allow the scum to coordinate their PR claims?

If you don't want them to coordinate the piles on D1, you would need them to not coordinate the claims for roles.

You are so obviously scum.

Anyone else wanna join me voting bozo again tomorrow? His maths has been bad all game, and he's been focusing heavily on numbers, trying to say the numbers are good, when they're not. And then this horrible statement... On page 32, he is still my biggest scumread.

Which part of the statement is horrible and why?

[Jamiet99uk]

Who did I replace? Squigs' message to me doesn't actually say.

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh wait I see from the bot that I'm Chaqa. Unusual for Chaqa to have to sub out, I hope he's okay.

I will to my best to achieve victory for Teem Camaro.

[BobMcBob]

I'll participate more when it gets more fun.

So far I've got a few pretty strong town reads but that's about it. From what I've glanced over I don't feel great about bozo or damo. However, I feel like I scum read the latter no matter what he does in every game. He just generally comes off scummy to me so idk

##vote damo

If he pretty much always comes off as scummy, why vote for him because he seems scummy? Shouldn't you vote for bozo instead, who doesn't always come off as scummy?

[BobMcBob]

Why would you want to allow the scum to coordinate their PR claims?

If you don't want them to coordinate the piles on D1, you would need them to not coordinate the claims for roles.

You are so obviously scum.

Anyone else wanna join me voting bozo again tomorrow? His maths has been bad all game, and he's been focusing heavily on numbers, trying to say the numbers are good, when they're not. And then this horrible statement... On page 32, he is still my biggest scumread.

Which part of the statement is horrible and why?

Like worcej said, the bit where he proposes that we don't do a massclaim until N1/D2. Because like worcej said it's so much better for the scum team and removes a sizeable portion of the benefits we get from the massclaim in the first place.

[BobMcBob]

Buddies will be assigned randomly, meaning that your buddy could be any alignment (town/town, mafia/town, mafia/mafia)


PHASE II of MASSCLAIM
Scum are guaranteed to be in the VT POOL
Scum have to kill the PRS in the first 6 nights or they lose

therefore all buddy chats with 2 VT claimaints can technically also claim because killing in the VT pool narrows down the POE if scum double taps within

I havent fully thought this out and probably someone proposed it.

thoughts?

Yeah this strategy is downright awful. It's pretty similar in nature to worcej's horrible massclaim idea mocking the one that we actually ended up doing, but this one was phrased as though he actually thought it was a good idea. Allowing scum to kill off town faster is rarely (if ever) a good thing.

[Vecna]

I would not be surprised if TRC is a town PR and 2 of Chaqa, worcej, and Vecna are scum.

Do you actually think you have been towny this game?

You going to sit there and think there are no valid reasons for people to scumread you?

Yes, because I am town, therefore whatever I do is town like by definition.

However, I probably would have also pushed the mass claim if I was scum.

This is such a scumlord post.

[Vecna]

The fast EoD movements also have potential implications:

Either scum was fast-switching to be part of the bus and some of the late movers were scum.

Or they were throwing under a lesser teammate to protect Bozo since scum was going down either way.

[bozotheclown]

Anyone else wanna join me voting bozo again tomorrow? His maths has been bad all game, and he's been focusing heavily on numbers, trying to say the numbers are good, when they're not. And then this horrible statement... On page 32, he is still my biggest scumread.

Which part of the statement is horrible and why?

Like worcej said, the bit where he proposes that we don't do a massclaim until N1/D2. Because like worcej said it's so much better for the scum team and removes a sizeable portion of the benefits we get from the massclaim in the first place.

I was talking about the scum claiming their actual roles, I was not suggesting putting off the PR/VT claims until N1.

[BobMcBob]

Put damo on my scum list as well. His maths was at least as bad as bozo's, and he started off the massclaim (or was he second, I can't remember) by claiming vt of all things. Not a good look.

[bozotheclown]

The fast EoD movements also have potential implications:

Either scum was fast-switching to be part of the bus and some of the late movers were scum.

Or they were throwing under a lesser teammate to protect Bozo since scum was going down either way.

I think it should be fairly obvious I am town based on EOD, especially when Chaqa/Jamie flip scum.

[BobMcBob]

Which part of the statement is horrible and why?

Like worcej said, the bit where he proposes that we don't do a massclaim until N1/D2. Because like worcej said it's so much better for the scum team and removes a sizeable portion of the benefits we get from the massclaim in the first place.

I was talking about the scum claiming their actual roles, I was not suggesting putting off the PR/VT claims until N1.

Okay, that's a little better. The roleclaim was never gonna happen until N1 at the earliest anyway though.