Mafia 56: Scout Camp

[e.m.c^42]

I can't say the turn looks good but at the same time I don't see this as something scum!Vecna would do. It ain't his style much, y'know?

I don't see why the turn doesn't look good, could you explain on your own words?

I think Vecna knows that massclaim statistically improves town odds, he just doesn't like massclaims. I feel the same way, I didn't want to push this because I also dislike it, but we can't ignore.

I am townreading Xorxes for pushing this and Vecna for following and to a lesser extent Damo too (just because he claimed VT). Bozo is harder to sort, I don't believe he could not push the massclaim thing even if he is scum, so he is null until now.

Oh, I am saying I get where HR's concern is coming from, but that I don't agree with his conclusion. Yes, it does look like a heel face turn and slightly constructed on some part due to the sudden change, but it's not really scummy for Vecna.

[TheMadMonarch]

Ask for clatification if something is unclear instead of panicking.

What information do you think I have that you don't?

What did brainbomb say that made you think he had too much information when you voted for him?

Why did you vote for Bob as your first vote?

Bob was first for a joke. I asked about the Syntax from a copy that included him.

I then voted for brain since he seemed to know a lot, and he was on at the time, so I was more aware of him.

It then became Xorxes because of the knowledge he was spewing.

Since then, a lot of people have said a lot, and it seems everyone has knowledge orders of magnitude above mine.

I don't know enough to make good reads, so I instead aim to level the playing field.

So you would rather the game be just a random guessing game where people vote based on nothing and hope the lynch lands on scum?

No, I'm just scared. Sorry to have caused so much frustration.

[Donny Dude]

Macca and Damo all lean to me as scum.
I think the worcej wagon is just stupid because he does not want to declare a particular role. Same thing with Bob.
Damo seemed very quick to just pop up and claim, which I think is suspicious and he seemed to feel a need to say he was town this time.
Can someone with better knowledge on Damo meta tell me if this is usual?
Reading Bozo again seems to me neutral/slightscum
He is keeping track of the massclaim though.
My main issue though is that a lot of us like Brainbomb have not posted in awhile. And some lurking seems to be occurring with only 9 of us over 20 posts.
And a good chunk of the other side is ten posts or less which makes for difficult reads.

[e.m.c^42]

Hmm, worcej seems more town now.

I mean, sure, there is possibility that this is a counter for an easy way of appearing town with mechs, but he seems genuine enough in what he believes.

Hm, with the introduction of copious amounts of caffeine jitters I am starting to suspect him again lol

[Donny Dude]

Macca and Damo all lean to me as scum.
I think the worcej wagon is just stupid because he does not want to declare a particular role. Same thing with Bob.
Damo seemed very quick to just pop up and claim, which I think is suspicious and he seemed to feel a need to say he was town this time.
Can someone with better knowledge on Damo meta tell me if this is usual?
Reading Bozo again seems to me neutral/slightscum
He is keeping track of the massclaim though.
My main issue though is that a lot of us like Brainbomb have not posted in awhile. And some lurking seems to be occurring with only 9 of us over 20 posts.
And a good chunk of the other side is ten posts or less which makes for difficult reads.

I should add that if more people join them I will be far more suspicious of that group that does not want to mass claim.

[TheMadMonarch]

Can you please ask us any questions you have about the mass claim? Do you plan on participating in the mass claim? The only claim we are looking for is PR or VT, not your specific role or the identity of your buddy.

Ok, some questions.

If I am a PR, what benefit would get from claiming either? Claiming PR for constancy, or VT to stop myself getting killed?

If I'm a VT what benefit could be got from lying and saying PR?

If I'm Scum, what benefit would I get from either choice?

Knowing how other peoples real states impact their choices is vital in understanding the effects of the massclaim. I don't wish to participate in something I don't understand.

If you are town, no matter if VT or PR you say the truth. If one town lie it screw with all the massclaim benefits.

If you are scum I will not give you hints.

Sorry this was unclear. These questions are not asking for what I should do. They are trying to find out how we understand outcome to action. i.e. Once we have everyone's claims, how do judge truth and move forwards?

[BobMcBob]

Hmm, worcej seems more town now.

I mean, sure, there is possibility that this is a counter for an easy way of appearing town with mechs, but he seems genuine enough in what he believes.

I know from experience that this "easy way of appearing town" doesn't usually work. It's a huge risk that I doubt scum would be willing to take. IIRC I have played the "why would I do something that seems so anti-town as scum?" card before and it flopped. I presume worcej knew the risk and just thought it was worth it to make his point.

[e.m.c^42]

Damo as scum is (comparatively) talkative and anxious to make reads and interact, and it's been consistent in the last few games where he's been scum - contrasting to this game, so I'm leaning towards town for him.

[e.m.c^42]

Damo as scum is (comparatively) talkative and anxious to make reads and interact, and it's been consistent in the last few games where he's been scum - contrasting to this game, so I'm leaning towards town for him.

The same thing also applies a little bit to Chaqa, but my weak read on him mainly comes from the fact that his first post didn't give me scum vibes immediately like last game lol

[e.m.c^42]

Hmm, worcej seems more town now.

I mean, sure, there is possibility that this is a counter for an easy way of appearing town with mechs, but he seems genuine enough in what he believes.

I know from experience that this "easy way of appearing town" doesn't usually work. It's a huge risk that I doubt scum would be willing to take. IIRC I have played the "why would I do something that seems so anti-town as scum?" card before and it flopped. I presume worcej knew the risk and just thought it was worth it to make his point.

Probably yeah. I can't tell difference between town!worce and scum!worce lmao, his games read the same to me unfortunately.

[TheMadMonarch]

What are "mechs"?

I've seen people reference them, and I'm confused.

[e.m.c^42]

Anyone tinfoil suspecting that TRC intentionally made exactly the minimum requirements and flounced off?

[e.m.c^42]

What are "mechs"?

I've seen people reference them, and I'm confused.

Shorthand for "mechanics" of the game. It's one of the ways to play (compared to say, off of VCA - vote count analysis - or meta), and it usually consists of figuring out (or trying to figure out lol) scum by taking into account the setup details and roles, how they can interact and such

[e.m.c^42]

So for example, trying to optimise the chances of a successful lynch with the half-massclaim would be mechs.

[TheMadMonarch]

What are "mechs"?

I've seen people reference them, and I'm confused.

Shorthand for "mechanics" of the game. It's one of the ways to play (compared to say, off of VCA - vote count analysis - or meta), and it usually consists of figuring out (or trying to figure out lol) scum by taking into account the setup details and roles, how they can interact and such

Thanks emc, very helpful!

[TheMadMonarch]

Anyone tinfoil suspecting that TRC intentionally made exactly the minimum requirements and flounced off?

Next question, what is "tinfoil" in this context?

[e.m.c^42]

Anyone tinfoil suspecting that TRC intentionally made exactly the minimum requirements and flounced off?

Next question, what is "tinfoil" in this context?

Tinfoil is theory but more crackpot than genuine.

Google search, "mafia game terminology", and add whichever term is unknown after lol

You might find these helpful :D
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... erminology
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... reviations

[BobMcBob]

Okay, nobody give emc any more +1s. Ever. He has a perfect number now.

[e.m.c^42]

Okay, nobody give emc any more +1s. Ever. He has a perfect number now.

Haha, wouldn't the perfect number be 1234? ;p

[e.m.c^42]

I should reply to some of those previous minicases lol, but it seems like too much work