Mafia 56: Scout Camp

[BobMcBob]

And on the topic of a massclaim, I stand by my claim of Gorilla town. No, I will not participate. Lynch me all you want.

[summit_fever]

And on the topic of a massclaim, I stand by my claim of Gorilla town. No, I will not participate. Lynch me all you want.

May I ask why you won't participate?

[xorxes]

And on the topic of a massclaim, I stand by my claim of Gorilla town. No, I will not participate. Lynch me all you want.

OK, I will ##VOTE Bob, because I think bozo and worcej are more likely town than him, although I would prefer a macca wagon.

[summit_fever]

I'm not sure why anybody new would suggest mass claiming is dumb. This setup was apparently vulnerable to massclaiming given vecna's first post in the sign-up thread and Squigs subsequent modification to the setup.

I do agree with flying that worcej isn't going to respond to pressure and it's pointless to try. I haven't seen anything scummy in worcej except for the fact that refusing to join the claim has caused all kinds of sidetracked conversation.

Given that the massclaim gained traction I think it's important that we get it done with as quickly as possible so we can move on. Can a non 100% massclaim ever benefit town compared to just getting it over with?

I don't like either one of the main wagons.

##unvote

Things are changing so I should clarify the two main wagons were bozo and worcej.

[BobMcBob]

In terms of horrible numbers, what really stuck out to me was bozo saying that if we had more than 8 PR claims we should get all the PRs to claim roles so that we can root out mafia. I cannot see any way that getting 1 or 2 mafia into a group of three to lynch from while simultaneously revealing exactly where to hit to nullify our best PR actions is a good thing. Not only that, he thought that (assuming one scum claimed Medic and one claimed cool guy) that a 1/3 chance of lynching correctly out of a pool of 2 PRs and one scum was a good deal. I can see no way town benefits from that. And I don't think bozo is stupid enough to mess up the numbers that badly.

[TheMadMonarch]

Macca does seem a bit panicked though, I cannot tell if lost or just paranoia lunging for shadows.
Does seem scummy to me.

Definitely panicked. As I've stated before, I get scared when people have more information than me. And all this massclaiming stuff is getting (read: is) very confusing.

Ask for clatification if something is unclear instead of panicking.

What information do you think I have that you don't?

What did brainbomb say that made you think he had too much information when you voted for him?

Why did you vote for Bob as your first vote?

Bob was first for a joke. I asked about the Syntax from a copy that included him.

I then voted for brain since he seemed to know a lot, and he was on at the time, so I was more aware of him.

It then became Xorxes because of the knowledge he was spewing.

Since then, a lot of people have said a lot, and it seems everyone has knowledge orders of magnitude above mine.

I don't know enough to make good reads, so I instead aim to level the playing field.

[xorxes]

And on the topic of a massclaim, I stand by my claim of Gorilla town. No, I will not participate. Lynch me all you want.

Seven people have claimed VT. There are seven town VT. If you are VT and you are not telling us, then you are withholding vital information from town: we would know for sure that one of the people claiming VT is lying. I assume you would not do that as town, so you must either be a PR or scum.

[BobMcBob]

And on the topic of a massclaim, I stand by my claim of Gorilla town. No, I will not participate. Lynch me all you want.

Seven people have claimed VT. There are seven town VT. If you are VT and you are not telling us, then you are withholding vital information from town: we would know for sure that one of the people claiming VT is lying. I assume you would not do that as town, so you must either be a PR or scum.

I can give you a 98% guarantee there are scum in both the PR and VT groups. The chances are much higher than many other chances we're already taking as givens. Perhaps I will claim later today. Perhaps.

[xorxes]

In terms of horrible numbers, what really stuck out to me was bozo saying that if we had more than 8 PR claims we should get all the PRs to claim roles so that we can root out mafia. I cannot see any way that getting 1 or 2 mafia into a group of three to lynch from while simultaneously revealing exactly where to hit to nullify our best PR actions is a good thing. Not only that, he thought that (assuming one scum claimed Medic and one claimed cool guy) that a 1/3 chance of lynching correctly out of a pool of 2 PRs and one scum was a good deal. I can see no way town benefits from that. And I don't think bozo is stupid enough to mess up the numbers that badly.

Detecting which one is lying between two people, or one among three people is way easier than finding scum hiding among 20 people.

[BobMcBob]

In terms of horrible numbers, what really stuck out to me was bozo saying that if we had more than 8 PR claims we should get all the PRs to claim roles so that we can root out mafia. I cannot see any way that getting 1 or 2 mafia into a group of three to lynch from while simultaneously revealing exactly where to hit to nullify our best PR actions is a good thing. Not only that, he thought that (assuming one scum claimed Medic and one claimed cool guy) that a 1/3 chance of lynching correctly out of a pool of 2 PRs and one scum was a good deal. I can see no way town benefits from that. And I don't think bozo is stupid enough to mess up the numbers that badly.

Detecting which one is lying between two people, or one among three people is way easier than finding scum hiding among 20 people.

But nullifying our PR actions effectively is much easier when all their roles are revealed than when they're trying to guess from 8/20.

[TheMadMonarch]

Macca does seem a bit panicked though, I cannot tell if lost or just paranoia lunging for shadows.
Does seem scummy to me.

Definitely panicked. As I've stated before, I get scared when people have more information than me. And all this massclaiming stuff is getting (read: is) very confusing.

Can you please ask us any questions you have about the mass claim? Do you plan on participating in the mass claim? The only claim we are looking for is PR or VT, not your specific role or the identity of your buddy.

Ok, some questions.

If I am a PR, what benefit would get from claiming either? Claiming PR for constancy, or VT to stop myself getting killed?

If I'm a VT what benefit could be got from lying and saying PR?

If I'm Scum, what benefit would I get from either choice?

Knowing how other peoples real states impact their choices is vital in understanding the effects of the massclaim. I don't wish to participate in something I don't understand.

[rdrivera2005]

In terms of horrible numbers, what really stuck out to me was bozo saying that if we had more than 8 PR claims we should get all the PRs to claim roles so that we can root out mafia. I cannot see any way that getting 1 or 2 mafia into a group of three to lynch from while simultaneously revealing exactly where to hit to nullify our best PR actions is a good thing. Not only that, he thought that (assuming one scum claimed Medic and one claimed cool guy) that a 1/3 chance of lynching correctly out of a pool of 2 PRs and one scum was a good deal. I can see no way town benefits from that. And I don't think bozo is stupid enough to mess up the numbers that badly.

##unvote

I don't think we are full mass claiming right now if we have 9 or 10 PR claims, we will sort it later, many PRs can prove themselves later one way or another. Maybe if we have 11 or 12 PR claims then it's worth claiming now.

[xorxes]

Definitely panicked. As I've stated before, I get scared when people have more information than me. And all this massclaiming stuff is getting (read: is) very confusing.

Ask for clatification if something is unclear instead of panicking.

What information do you think I have that you don't?

What did brainbomb say that made you think he had too much information when you voted for him?

Why did you vote for Bob as your first vote?

Bob was first for a joke. I asked about the Syntax from a copy that included him.

I then voted for brain since he seemed to know a lot, and he was on at the time, so I was more aware of him.

It then became Xorxes because of the knowledge he was spewing.

Since then, a lot of people have said a lot, and it seems everyone has knowledge orders of magnitude above mine.

I don't know enough to make good reads, so I instead aim to level the playing field.

So you would rather the game be just a random guessing game where people vote based on nothing and hope the lynch lands on scum?

[rdrivera2005]

Definitely panicked. As I've stated before, I get scared when people have more information than me. And all this massclaiming stuff is getting (read: is) very confusing.

Can you please ask us any questions you have about the mass claim? Do you plan on participating in the mass claim? The only claim we are looking for is PR or VT, not your specific role or the identity of your buddy.

Ok, some questions.

If I am a PR, what benefit would get from claiming either? Claiming PR for constancy, or VT to stop myself getting killed?

If I'm a VT what benefit could be got from lying and saying PR?

If I'm Scum, what benefit would I get from either choice?

Knowing how other peoples real states impact their choices is vital in understanding the effects of the massclaim. I don't wish to participate in something I don't understand.

If you are town, no matter if VT or PR you say the truth. If one town lie it screw with all the massclaim benefits.

If you are scum I will not give you hints.

[summit_fever]

I think Macca is a player who thinks we are talking to him when we are not.

This'll be fun :D

Macca does seem a bit panicked though, I cannot tell if lost or just paranoia lunging for shadows.
Does seem scummy to me.

Definitely panicked. As I've stated before, I get scared when people have more information than me. And all this massclaiming stuff is getting (read: is) very confusing.

I'm not following what you mean by information and knowledge. Are you worried about those that you believe have a lot of general knowledge about the game?

[xorxes]

Definitely panicked. As I've stated before, I get scared when people have more information than me. And all this massclaiming stuff is getting (read: is) very confusing.

Can you please ask us any questions you have about the mass claim? Do you plan on participating in the mass claim? The only claim we are looking for is PR or VT, not your specific role or the identity of your buddy.

Ok, some questions.

If I am a PR, what benefit would get from claiming either? Claiming PR for constancy, or VT to stop myself getting killed?

If I'm a VT what benefit could be got from lying and saying PR?

If I'm Scum, what benefit would I get from either choice?

Knowing how other peoples real states impact their choices is vital in understanding the effects of the massclaim. I don't wish to participate in something I don't understand.

If you are town, you just tell the truth. The object of the game for town is not to protect yourself, the object is to find scum. Many townies will die before the game ends, they will still win if the town ends up winning.

If you are scum, I understand you would not know what to do. Nobody here is going to openly help you with that however, for obvious reasons.

[e.m.c^42]

Hmm, worcej seems more town now.

[e.m.c^42]

Hmm, worcej seems more town now.

I mean, sure, there is possibility that this is a counter for an easy way of appearing town with mechs, but he seems genuine enough in what he believes.

[e.m.c^42]

For some reason I cannot pin I haven't particularly liked HR's conclusions. May be a playstyle thing or may be scummy, not too much of a difference discernible on my part lol

[e.m.c^42]

If I had to say, it would be the way and reasons he scumreads people that pings me.