M1011 - Revenge of the Space Mutants - Game Thread

[bozotheclown]

@xorx - I hadn't questioned it until I was re-reading you a bit, but how is this MYLO tomorrow (assuming a mislynch happens today)?

6 v 3(+1) would mean with a mislynch it's down to 4v3 the following day. The 6v3 day is not MYLO in any means. Or am I misunderstanding?

This was late in D2, when xorxes was trying to explain to the mafia how best to use their double vote, and Chaqa indicated he did not follow what xorxes was saying yet. Chaqa may have already activated the double vote at that point, especially if his teammates were not around to discuss it in mafia chat, such as if Nephthys and Vecna were his partners.

It seems he misunderstood what the +1 meant?

It looks like he was interpreting the double vote being used D3 instead of D4.

[bozotheclown]

Town Damo still tries to solve when that happens. What about M54 when he was constantly on the chopping block. He was wrong about xorxes, but he was active and hunting.

OK, damo was more active in M54. I still want to see Chaqa flip first. I would be surprised if damo is scum and Chaqa is town. If Chaqa is the JOAT, I think that would point to damo being town. If Chaqa is scum but not the JOAT, damo is probably the JOAT.

This makes some sense about your vote order. Can you elaborate why Chaq is more likely scum? Is it mechanics? Vote analysis? How he’s writing?

Besides the reasons for suspecting him before D3, his vote move in the last minute is hard to explain as anything but him moving to force the tie. Chaqa had a series of posts in the last 10 minutes where he was doubting damo was scum, including suddenly agreeing with kgray's reason for suspecting BunnyGo.

[Chaqa]

I find it very out of character that Booz, who has spent this entire game searching backward for previous-game examples to check behavior, isn’t doing so for me here. Because I know for a fact me panicking at EoD is something that has happened within the last few games he played in.

He’s trying to push a mislynch on me.

Bozo/damo/(Vecna/Bunny)

[Chaqa]

Regardless. We NEED to vote damo today. I fucked up yesterday, but damo has to be scum and he’s got a chance to be the JOAT too

##Vote damo

[damo666]

I find it very out of character that Booz, who has spent this entire game searching backward for previous-game examples to check behavior, isn’t doing so for me here. Because I know for a fact me panicking at EoD is something that has happened within the last few games he played in.

He’s trying to push a mislynch on me.

Bozo/damo/(Vecna/Bunny)

How can me being scum square with your EOD vote?

[bozotheclown]

7 hours before D3 EOD, Chaqa is sure damo is scum:

Im pretty sure this is a mislynch and town loses the game on the spot today, but since im a replacement and all town PR's are adamant im really not caring enough to try and go crusade mode again.

will save me the effort of catching up as well.

Congrats chaqa, your mediocre reasoning on pushes mislynches was enough

:fingerguns:

If you have an alternate reasoning for someone else, let us hear it, but I don’t see any world where damo isn’t scum.

3.5 hours before D3 EOD, Chaqa is sure damo is scum:

Everyone should have 3 scumreads and a bunch of townreads here.

You PRs should pressure people to vote their scumread #2 and #3, and then realize that they dont want to because those will have to be bussing their partners.

Scum is all-in on lynching damo today and winning

The only reason I cannot fathom this to be true is because at this point is based on my continued logic that Damo has to be scum now that we know the PRs and his selfish motivation to self-save on D1.

I'm willing to go down in a blaze of glory if he flips VT and the game ends - my vote isn't moving. There is no way anyone is going to be able to convince me that he is town with how D1 and D2 played out.

Worcej, I 100% agree that damo is scum and is the lynch today, but I 100% disagree that his self-saving vote is scum-indicative. Anyone regardless of alignment would do that.

Then, at EOD, Chaqa keeps posting reasons to doubt damo is scum:

I just keep coming back to, why did scum NOT get the xorxes mislynch on Day 1?

Or, why didn't they get a lynch on damo, either, if he is town (which still seems like a stretch)

Bunny-Vecna with bussing damo?

Or maybe Day 1, scum (EMC and Neph) were both gone and the last scum either wasn't around or couldn't move without drawing too much suspicion (Kgray or Bozo?)

Damos not fighting like his team is about to lose the game

Are you saying he's town, or scum?

Are you saying he's town, or scum?

I’m saying if he was town I would expect him to be more desperate because town would lose

I don't think damo's ever been that type, but I could be misremembering.

The completely dead Eod does smell like scum could be about to win, though, and that has me really worried.

Chaqa then sets up a move to BunnyGo:

I just keep coming back to, why did scum NOT get the xorxes mislynch on Day 1?

Or, why didn't they get a lynch on damo, either, if he is town (which still seems like a stretch)

Because Neph was gone!! He thought they already had xorxes and didn't want to look suspect! This is what I've been saying!

This is actually somewhat compelling.

@Tom/Food/Bozo/worc - thoughts?

Finally, Chaqa votes for BunnyGo in the last minute:

"really worried"

##Vote BunnyGo

I don't know, but I'll leave this open for Tom or Bozo or Food to switch if they feel we need to.

Chaqa being sure damo was scum until kgray, damo, and Vecna consolidated on one wagon, making a tie possible, points to Chaqa bussing damo, so maybe it is as simple as Chaqa saving his scum teammate damo.

[damo666]

If Chaqa is trying to confuse us then the scumteam is Vecna/bozo/Chaqa
If Chaqa is confused town the scumteam is Vecna/kgray/Tom

[Chaqa]

I find it very out of character that Booz, who has spent this entire game searching backward for previous-game examples to check behavior, isn’t doing so for me here. Because I know for a fact me panicking at EoD is something that has happened within the last few games he played in.

He’s trying to push a mislynch on me.

Bozo/damo/(Vecna/Bunny)

How can me being scum square with your EOD vote?

you or Vecna (or Kgray I guess) are scum JOAT. Then, Vecna and Kgray are pushing a narrative of Buny is scum. Combined with me panicking at the quiet EoD, thinking Town is about to lose

So you/Vecna/Kgray or you/Bozo/Vecna or something

Idk man, this game makes absolutely no sense to me. Every read I’ve had has been dead wrong, so maybe it’s something ridiculous like Tom/Bozo/kgray

[Chaqa]

Bozo - if you are town, why are you suddenly not at all interested in previous examples of behavior? No longer convenient for you?

[damo666]

7 hours before D3 EOD, Chaqa is sure damo is scum:

Im pretty sure this is a mislynch and town loses the game on the spot today, but since im a replacement and all town PR's are adamant im really not caring enough to try and go crusade mode again.

will save me the effort of catching up as well.

Congrats chaqa, your mediocre reasoning on pushes mislynches was enough

:fingerguns:

If you have an alternate reasoning for someone else, let us hear it, but I don’t see any world where damo isn’t scum.

3.5 hours before D3 EOD, Chaqa is sure damo is scum:

The only reason I cannot fathom this to be true is because at this point is based on my continued logic that Damo has to be scum now that we know the PRs and his selfish motivation to self-save on D1.

I'm willing to go down in a blaze of glory if he flips VT and the game ends - my vote isn't moving. There is no way anyone is going to be able to convince me that he is town with how D1 and D2 played out.

Worcej, I 100% agree that damo is scum and is the lynch today, but I 100% disagree that his self-saving vote is scum-indicative. Anyone regardless of alignment would do that.

Then, at EOD, Chaqa keeps posting reasons to doubt damo is scum:

I just keep coming back to, why did scum NOT get the xorxes mislynch on Day 1?

Or, why didn't they get a lynch on damo, either, if he is town (which still seems like a stretch)

Bunny-Vecna with bussing damo?

Or maybe Day 1, scum (EMC and Neph) were both gone and the last scum either wasn't around or couldn't move without drawing too much suspicion (Kgray or Bozo?)

Damos not fighting like his team is about to lose the game

Are you saying he's town, or scum?

I’m saying if he was town I would expect him to be more desperate because town would lose

I don't think damo's ever been that type, but I could be misremembering.

The completely dead Eod does smell like scum could be about to win, though, and that has me really worried.

Chaqa then sets up a move to BunnyGo:

Because Neph was gone!! He thought they already had xorxes and didn't want to look suspect! This is what I've been saying!

This is actually somewhat compelling.

@Tom/Food/Bozo/worc - thoughts?

Finally, Chaqa votes for BunnyGo in the last minute:

"really worried"

##Vote BunnyGo

I don't know, but I'll leave this open for Tom or Bozo or Food to switch if they feel we need to.

Chaqa being sure damo was scum until kgray, damo, and Vecna consolidated on one wagon, making a tie possible, points to Chaqa bussing damo, so maybe it is as simple as Chaqa saving his scum teammate damo.

The flaw in this theory is I'm town.

I don't understand Chaqa's late switch to Bunny and now voting for me. Makes no sense whatsoever. I refer you to my previous post.

[bozotheclown]

I find it very out of character that Booz, who has spent this entire game searching backward for previous-game examples to check behavior, isn’t doing so for me here. Because I know for a fact me panicking at EoD is something that has happened within the last few games he played in.

He’s trying to push a mislynch on me.

Bozo/damo/(Vecna/Bunny)

Maybe you could point me to some games where you changed your vote in the last minute of the day.

[damo666]

I find it very out of character that Booz, who has spent this entire game searching backward for previous-game examples to check behavior, isn’t doing so for me here. Because I know for a fact me panicking at EoD is something that has happened within the last few games he played in.

He’s trying to push a mislynch on me.

Bozo/damo/(Vecna/Bunny)

How can me being scum square with your EOD vote?

you or Vecna (or Kgray I guess) are scum JOAT. Then, Vecna and Kgray are pushing a narrative of Buny is scum. Combined with me panicking at the quiet EoD, thinking Town is about to lose

So you/Vecna/Kgray or you/Bozo/Vecna or something

Idk man, this game makes absolutely no sense to me. Every read I’ve had has been dead wrong, so maybe it’s something ridiculous like Tom/Bozo/kgray

What about Vecna kgray Tom?

[bozotheclown]

Bozo - if you are town, why are you suddenly not at all interested in previous examples of behavior? No longer convenient for you?

I have not found any example of you changing your vote in the last minute, but it would take a while to search all of your old games. Maybe you remember a specific case you could refer me to.

[bozotheclown]

I find it very out of character that Booz, who has spent this entire game searching backward for previous-game examples to check behavior, isn’t doing so for me here. Because I know for a fact me panicking at EoD is something that has happened within the last few games he played in.

He’s trying to push a mislynch on me.

Bozo/damo/(Vecna/Bunny)

How can me being scum square with your EOD vote?

you or Vecna (or Kgray I guess) are scum JOAT. Then, Vecna and Kgray are pushing a narrative of Buny is scum. Combined with me panicking at the quiet EoD, thinking Town is about to lose

So you/Vecna/Kgray or you/Bozo/Vecna or something

Idk man, this game makes absolutely no sense to me. Every read I’ve had has been dead wrong, so maybe it’s something ridiculous like Tom/Bozo/kgray

That would make kgray the JOAT. Why do you think she would activate the double vote D3 and wait on a 3 vote wagon that included damo, so that when damo flipped town, the JOAT would be narrowed down to her and Vecna?

[bozotheclown]

I do not see any way kgray or Vecna could be the JOAT unless Chaqa is also scum and they knew Chaqa was going to move to keep damo from being lynched.

[damo666]

How can me being scum square with your EOD vote?

you or Vecna (or Kgray I guess) are scum JOAT. Then, Vecna and Kgray are pushing a narrative of Buny is scum. Combined with me panicking at the quiet EoD, thinking Town is about to lose

So you/Vecna/Kgray or you/Bozo/Vecna or something

Idk man, this game makes absolutely no sense to me. Every read I’ve had has been dead wrong, so maybe it’s something ridiculous like Tom/Bozo/kgray

That would make kgray the JOAT. Why do you think she would activate the double vote D3 and wait on a 3 vote wagon that included damo, so that when damo flipped town, the JOAT would be narrowed down to her and Vecna?

If Chaqa isn't JOAT then it is either her or Vecna.

[bozotheclown]

The way Chaqa was trying to get someone else to move to BunnyGo first indicates BunnyGo is town.

I am updating my guess again.

scum team prediction:
BunnyGo: damo, Vecna, kgray
bozo: Chaqa, damo, ?

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 4.2

Chaqa(3) -Vecna, bozotheclown, kgray
damo666(3) - Tom Bombadil, BunnyGo, Chaqa
Vecna(1) - damo666

Currently NOBODY is set to be lynched.

Foodcoats has not yet voted or met the participation requirement.

25 hours and 20 minutes are left in Day Four.

[kgray]

By using the double vote to tie D3, the mafia achieved the same result as saving it for D4, keeping town from having any more mislynches. However, it would not have tied if not for Chaqa, so I think Chaqa is implicated whether he is the JOAT or not.

Yeah I follow this now. I think you're right.

Except on day3 they were not guaranteed to make us lose a mislynch, since town still had the larger numbers. It was still likely to be a waste on D3 and a guaranteed win on D4 if they managed to tie or mislynch town on D3 without it.

Also true.

I could see scum!Vecna annoyed with JOAT!Chaqa who played the double vote suboptimally while he was gone. If this is true, then damo seems their most likely third teammate based on the idea that Chaqa was trying to save damo. But, then all 3 scum would have been on Bunny just to save scum!damo, who is very likely to be lynched later anyway, and Chaqa implicated himself in the process...

Vecna would have realized the value of tying the vote to keep town!damo around to make up for the misuse of the double vote the way bozo described. If damo is town and Vecna and Chaqa are scum, then I could see them trying to orchestrate the tie over the mislynch. In this case, it is possible that their third teammate is Bunny because I don't think it's unreasonable that Chaqa knew bozo and food were gone and Tom wasn't going to move his vote to lynch Bunny. But, it does seem more likely that the third in a Chaqa/Vecna team (if damo is town) would be bozo or Tom. I really don't think it's bozo. If it's Tom, then Chaqa would definitely know Tom wasn't going to break the tie. Tom also switching to Bunny last-minute would have been odd and would have drawn attention to Tom in addition to Chaqa, so it makes sense that they'd rather keep town!bunny and the tie over a town!bunny mislynch.

[Chaqa]

I find it very out of character that Booz, who has spent this entire game searching backward for previous-game examples to check behavior, isn’t doing so for me here. Because I know for a fact me panicking at EoD is something that has happened within the last few games he played in.

He’s trying to push a mislynch on me.

Bozo/damo/(Vecna/Bunny)

Maybe you could point me to some games where you changed your vote in the last minute of the day.

Sure. I’m at my sisters for Memorial Day, but I can do this later tonight