M1011 - Revenge of the Space Mutants - Game Thread

[bozotheclown]

##vote Chaqa

Why did you end with what would normally be considered an invalid vote?

[foodcoats]

I have the feeling summit was correct, which would explain why he was the NK. My guess is damo, Chaqa, and Tom, I think that fits fairly well. That would make xorxes essentially correct as well.

I'm quite hesitant now because I haven't reread in light of my horrible egregious errors, but I will say Tom and Chaqa are on my radar. I am fearful damo may be town, despite everything I said yesterday; but knowing how wrong my instincts are now, I'm willing to push through on damo.

[bozotheclown]

Possible information:
- Vecna could be TG if I was real Vig. We have no way to confirm anymore without staking the game.
- Food could be real Vig and was unfortunately commuted for some reason by summit. My guess was he was hunting scum and not really trying to protect anyone specfic.
- Scum probably RB'ed summit if they actually killed him, so my gut says they figured he was PR during the day.
- We are now in mylo with 6-3 and double vote in play. Going to lylo by no lynching is the desired choice, but really they'll just kill food or myself and we gain no information out of the remaining pack of players.

My thoughts:
- VCA would indicate Tom and kgray would be the scum that could be bussing Damo on D1 and couldn't move due to EOD positions.
- Neph continues to looks bad and uninterested in VCA's for 2 phases, which leads me to believe he is scum because Neph normally cares in games.
- My scum team thoughts are damo / (Tom/kgray) / (Chaqa/Neph) - I believe bozo is town and EMC/Vecna is town out of the group and just sheer odds. I lean Tom more scummy than kgray and honestly would probably consider Chaqa more scummy than Neph simply because I don't think Neph is as blatant about being scum and Chaqa is able to be scum pretty easily.

I see worcej has a similar conclusion.

[foodcoats]

##vote Chaqa

Why did you end with what would normally be considered an invalid vote?

And, please explain your reasoning of voting Chaqa, for the benefit of town.

[foodcoats]

I will add that my head is spinning re: bozo, given how he acquiesced to my xorxes wagon. At the end of last game, M55, I remember being infuriated at how bozo continued to reject and question everything even though the solution seemed so obvious to me. (He was town then.)

[bozotheclown]

I have the feeling summit was correct, which would explain why he was the NK. My guess is damo, Chaqa, and Tom, I think that fits fairly well. That would make xorxes essentially correct as well.

I'm quite hesitant now because I haven't reread in light of my horrible egregious errors, but I will say Tom and Chaqa are on my radar. I am fearful damo may be town, despite everything I said yesterday; but knowing how wrong my instincts are now, I'm willing to push through on damo.

I was about 50/50 on which one of xorxes and damo were more likely to be scum.
Chaqa and Tom voting for damo already makes me believe it is likely they are bussing him.

[bozotheclown]

I will add that my head is spinning re: bozo, given how he acquiesced to my xorxes wagon. At the end of last game, M55, I remember being infuriated at how bozo continued to reject and question everything even though the solution seemed so obvious to me. (He was town then.)

I did agree the obvious solution was most likely, I was just pushing you and Chaqa to make sure, since the timing of your vote switches from Squigs to Temasek looked worse than damo's switch.

[bozotheclown]

Today we don't have to worry about it if my reading of the roles is right, but tomorrow onward the mafia could have a vote doubling ability - so we need to make sure our wagons are not too close or else one mafia member could switch and do a 3 vote swing.

##Vote EMC until he votes, as is tradition

Not dropping damo off the radar, but I want to pressure EMC to not get modkilled again, like he has before. Damo's comment still seems like an extremely forced way to vote xorx. Maybe they're teammates?

Hey guys. About to head out to dinner with friends, but I’ll touch base later. Haven’t played a vanilla game in forever, and good to see a few old faces back (sup food) as well as some new blood.

##Vote EMC until he casts a vote (<3)

Chaqa was scum in the older game.

[bozotheclown]

Why would you assume it will be talked about if it’s important? Shouldn’t you decide for yourself what is important?

Stupid fucking comment. I clearly am saying I can't be bothered reading and am leaving it up to others to decide on the importance.

ffs

How is this different from you voting for Fox because you thought bo could be bussing him?

It's the fucking polar opposite!!!!!

damo was scum in the older game.

[bozotheclown]

That seems like a silly way to justify voting one of the strongest town players on the site damo.

##vote damo

Bus damo, pocket xorxes?

[bozotheclown]

That seems like a silly way to justify voting one of the strongest town players on the site damo.

##vote damo

Agreed. ##Vote damo

Bus damo some more?

[bozotheclown]

Towny:

bozo - I don't thing he puts in all this effort as scum especially this early
rivera - starnge for me to townread him, but when he gets all huffy and puffy he is very likely town
emc - good observations that I associate with his town self
I'm sorry, what here:
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs

Can even COUNT as an observation? All he's said is that the Chaqa effect (forgetting games) is real, and like one or two posts with actual substance.
Tom - being sensible

Leftovers:

kgray - possibly town (she's playing nothing like she played as scum) - Kgray has never played scum. You've already been called on this and clearly are trying to ignore it.
summit - possibly town. He was very suspicious of me most of last game, so his attitude this game fits with what I know of him.
WTF does this even mean?
Neph - nothing really

Heebie jeebies:

damo - him scumreading me this early is highly unusual, I don't recall it ever happening before even when I was scum, and certainly not when I'm town
So he's suspicious because... he's scumreading you... and he hasn't before? Maybe because this time YOU'RE SCUM???
Chaqa - he is not saying anything, and what he says I don't like
These are mutually exclusive. Are you even reading?
worcej - his vote for me, yikes, especially after what he said a couple of posts earlier

Scummy:

foocoats - his case on me is way too elaborate for the scant material he had to work with. I don't believe he actually misread the tone of my vote for Neph as badly as he portrays
I think Food's analysis is spot on and your tone was as bad as he says.

This might be the scummiest and most egregious xorxes post I've ever seen.

##Vote xorxes

Going for the mislynch?

[bozotheclown]

I don't like that post by summit.

Seems like bozo may have gotten them with a made up town read, so summit came up with some vague justification and more importantly tried to change the subject to kgray and Chaqa where townread justifications are easier to come up with.

I was just asking summit why he was town reading rdrivera, I had the feeling Tom could be trying to pocket me here. I asked damo the same question and Tom did not react to that.

[Tom Bombadil]

That seems like a silly way to justify voting one of the strongest town players on the site damo.

##vote damo

Agreed. ##Vote damo

Bus damo some more?

Lol. Yes. That’s the only explanation. If damo and I were scum with a day chat, I’d be telling him to bus me, not the other way around. Damo is a better deep threat than I am.

[bozotheclown]

I find bozos observation about rivera interesting. If anything, I townread bozo for the hunting.

More potential pocketing from Tom, no one else seemed to care about my concern of rdrivera.

[bozotheclown]

Agreed. ##Vote damo

Bus damo some more?

Lol. Yes. That’s the only explanation. If damo and I were scum with a day chat, I’d be telling him to bus me, not the other way around. Damo is a better deep threat than I am.

Would you tell him to bus you in the first hour of the game?

[bozotheclown]

IN WHAT WORLD IS THAT A JOKE

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills

Chaqa's refusal to acknowledge xorxes was joking reminds me of foodcoats in M1009.

[bozotheclown]

##vote Chaqa

Why did you vote for Chaqa here?

[Tom Bombadil]

Bus damo some more?

Lol. Yes. That’s the only explanation. If damo and I were scum with a day chat, I’d be telling him to bus me, not the other way around. Damo is a better deep threat than I am.

Would you tell him to bus you in the first hour of the game?

Eh, maybe.

[Tom Bombadil]

##vote Chaqa

Why did you vote for Chaqa here?

It was xorxes strongest scumread. And in case you didn't notice, I value xorxes reads when he is town.

But once worcej posted that wagon analysis, unless kgray is scum, its seems extrememly likely damo is scum.

Also, not every time I townread someone does it mean I'm "pocketing" them. That's a little strange to think I was pocketing xorxes, and pocketing you (if you are even town) and bussing damo to the extent he almost got lynched D1, but not quite. I must be a scum mastermind.