M1011 - Revenge of the Space Mutants - Game Thread

[Tom Bombadil]

##vote Chaqa

[damo666]

I had a nasty feeling it was TvT

##vote Chaqa in accordance with Xorxes' wishes

[Chaqa]

##Vote damo

[worcej]

Well, that's bad luck all around. Now we know the most likely scenario is that food was the real vig and worecej had blanks. Still possible worcej was real vig and hit tough scum, but unlikely.

Entirely possible.

FWIW - D1:
xorxes (5) foodcoats bozotheclown worcej Chaqa damo666
damo666 (5) kgray Tom Bombadil rdrivera2005 summit_fever xorxes
worcej (1) Nephthys*

D2:
xorxes (8) Chaqa bozotheclown foodcoats damo666 kgray Vecna summit_fever Tom Bombadil
damo666 (2) xorxes worcej
summit_fever (1) Nephthys
Vecna

[Tom Bombadil]

So D1 we have three confirmed town on damo's wagon, and the other two being myself and kgray. I don't strongly suspect kgray is scum. Knowing my alignment, if kgray is also town, there were 5 town on damos wagon.

T v T seems unlikely in that scenario.

##vote damo

[Chaqa]

The only thing giving me pause is, would scum kill exclusively off the damo wagon simply to draw us to it?

Though I can’t imagine why scum would let a tie happen unless none of them were online... Neph, EMC, and.. who else was missing?

[worcej]

Possible information:
- Vecna could be TG if I was real Vig. We have no way to confirm anymore without staking the game.
- Food could be real Vig and was unfortunately commuted for some reason by summit. My guess was he was hunting scum and not really trying to protect anyone specfic.
- Scum probably RB'ed summit if they actually killed him, so my gut says they figured he was PR during the day.
- We are now in mylo with 6-3 and double vote in play. Going to lylo by no lynching is the desired choice, but really they'll just kill food or myself and we gain no information out of the remaining pack of players.

My thoughts:
- VCA would indicate Tom and kgray would be the scum that could be bussing Damo on D1 and couldn't move due to EOD positions.
- Neph continues to looks bad and uninterested in VCA's for 2 phases, which leads me to believe he is scum because Neph normally cares in games.
- My scum team thoughts are damo / (Tom/kgray) / (Chaqa/Neph) - I believe bozo is town and EMC/Vecna is town out of the group and just sheer odds. I lean Tom more scummy than kgray and honestly would probably consider Chaqa more scummy than Neph simply because I don't think Neph is as blatant about being scum and Chaqa is able to be scum pretty easily.

[worcej]

My analysis and thought process is damo is smart enough as town to know there is zero point in saving yourself as a VT. The flip is worth more than your presence in the game because it narrows down the field for PRs to do their work while also allowing VCA.

FWIW - damo as scum has shown the ability to focus on pairs and team setups, so him trying to continue to build off the information that D1 was TvT is in his scum game realm of options.

[Nephthys]

Have put in for a sub, life has prevented me from doing anything for the last day and will continue to for at least the next 24.

My reads stand from what I've read

Sorry all

[foodcoats]

Well that is horrifyingly embarrassing.

I am a shitlord and terrible at mafia.

Really sorry xorxes and summit. You were right summit but I did not want to listen, I more or less intentionally embraced my tunnel and fucked it all up.

##VOTE damo

[Tom Bombadil]

Possible information:
- Vecna could be TG if I was real Vig. We have no way to confirm anymore without staking the game.
- Food could be real Vig and was unfortunately commuted for some reason by summit. My guess was he was hunting scum and not really trying to protect anyone specfic.
- Scum probably RB'ed summit if they actually killed him, so my gut says they figured he was PR during the day.
- We are now in mylo with 6-3 and double vote in play. Going to lylo by no lynching is the desired choice, but really they'll just kill food or myself and we gain no information out of the remaining pack of players.

My thoughts:
- VCA would indicate Tom and kgray would be the scum that could be bussing Damo on D1 and couldn't move due to EOD positions.
- Neph continues to looks bad and uninterested in VCA's for 2 phases, which leads me to believe he is scum because Neph normally cares in games.
- My scum team thoughts are damo / (Tom/kgray) / (Chaqa/Neph) - I believe bozo is town and EMC/Vecna is town out of the group and just sheer odds. I lean Tom more scummy than kgray and honestly would probably consider Chaqa more scummy than Neph simply because I don't think Neph is as blatant about being scum and Chaqa is able to be scum pretty easily.

Why do you assume scum was bussing damo?

[worcej]

Possible information:
- Vecna could be TG if I was real Vig. We have no way to confirm anymore without staking the game.
- Food could be real Vig and was unfortunately commuted for some reason by summit. My guess was he was hunting scum and not really trying to protect anyone specfic.
- Scum probably RB'ed summit if they actually killed him, so my gut says they figured he was PR during the day.
- We are now in mylo with 6-3 and double vote in play. Going to lylo by no lynching is the desired choice, but really they'll just kill food or myself and we gain no information out of the remaining pack of players.

My thoughts:
- VCA would indicate Tom and kgray would be the scum that could be bussing Damo on D1 and couldn't move due to EOD positions.
- Neph continues to looks bad and uninterested in VCA's for 2 phases, which leads me to believe he is scum because Neph normally cares in games.
- My scum team thoughts are damo / (Tom/kgray) / (Chaqa/Neph) - I believe bozo is town and EMC/Vecna is town out of the group and just sheer odds. I lean Tom more scummy than kgray and honestly would probably consider Chaqa more scummy than Neph simply because I don't think Neph is as blatant about being scum and Chaqa is able to be scum pretty easily.

Why do you assume scum was bussing damo?

Find me a game where scum don't bus on D1 a little bit...

[bozotheclown]

I would say the disinterest from Nephthys looks like a town ploy, but now that he has asked for a sub. I do not know what to make of it.

If not for the UNVOTE rule change, Vecna would have ended without a valid vote, and I assume he did not know about the rule change since he tried to UNVOTE.

[Jamiet99uk]

GM NOTE

Nephthys requires to sub out and will be replaced.

I will confirm the replacement ASAP.

[Jamiet99uk]

GM NOTE

BunnyGo is replacing Nephthys
BunnyGo has replaced Nephthys

[foodcoats]

Hey Bunny.

If you are town, disregard everything I have said so far.

[worcej]

Hey Bunny.

If you are town, disregard everything I have said so far.

And have fun getting caught up in mylo.

Also, if you are indeed scum, impressive that you've been scum so many times in a row now lol...

[bozotheclown]

I do not want to make the mistake of ignoring the reads of know town:

who do you townread summit?

Confident townreads are Kgray/Foodcoats/Bozo/Xorxes/worcej (unless a third claim comes).

I'm not townreading Chaqa anymore. I really don't understand the inability to take a joke from xorxes, I think he very well may have slipped day 1 in not seeing that joke.

Chaqa:
So you admit you’re bussing him?

It doesn't seem sincere?

Vecna was apparently shot at as well and I know I'm not strongman. Of course a strongman isn't necessary to having both shots fail and he's looking similar to the Vecna of M55 so I've got a townlean.

Chaqa + two of damo/nephthys/tom is my scumteam.

worcej: TOWN claimed Vig.
food: TOWN claimed Vig.
kgray: Very likely town.
Tom: I think town, but lackluster performance.
bozo: very strange that he did not update his read of me after D1. Maybe just stubborn town, maybe sneaky scum.
Neph: probably useless town.
summit: strange he is voting for me now.
Vecna: probably scum, especially if judicator indicates there was no interference with Vigs.
damo: probably scum.
Chaqa: almost certainly scum.

My guess: Chaqa-damo-Vecna, but I'm sure there's some undercover scum I'm missing somewhere.

[Vecna]

##vote Chaqa

[bozotheclown]

I have the feeling summit was correct, which would explain why he was the NK. My guess is damo, Chaqa, and Tom, I think that fits fairly well. That would make xorxes essentially correct as well.