M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[Chaqa]

Since all agree I’ve demonstrated sufficient knowledge of xorxes role. I’ll not post it before EON.

Make sure you post it AT EoN, not AFTER EON.

If you do not post anything at EoN, I will be suspicious.

Why post it? You know I know. Posting only diminishes my scan and xorxes scan. I think you’re just making sh*t up now that doesn’t make sense.

I will post this in as plain and clear English as I can.

I want you to post exactly what you know about xorxes' role.

I want you to do so about thirty seconds before night ends.

This gives everyone the knowledge that you actually know what xorxes role is.

It also demonstrates that you knew BEFORE xorxes potentially dies tonight.

This helps prove your claim.

This is in your and the town's best interest.

Failure to do this brings doubt upon your claim to the town at large, even if I think you know, the rest of the town doesn't.

[foodcoats]

Bunny, put it in a note on your phone and copy-paste it at the time you think is your last chance to be on before EON.

[Chaqa]

Bunny, I still don't understand why you scumread me and I have to chalk it up to one of three things at this point:
1. You are scum and attempting to set up a mislynch on me
2. You are town and have a fundamental misunderstanding of me as a player (which would fit with our previous games)
3. There is a serious language barrier

[summit_fever]

I have reason to believe there is no mole in the QT. This clears Xorx and Foodcoats and also potentially 1 other as I have stopped broadcasting if I've added anyone.

You did broadcast that you added Bozo. Are we now pretending that this didn't happen?

I like the idea of jailing Damo. Quite possible that he is the lawyer, and I haven't seen anything from him to explain why his role might be valuable to town.

[BunnyGo]

Make sure you post it AT EoN, not AFTER EON.

If you do not post anything at EoN, I will be suspicious.

Why post it? You know I know. Posting only diminishes my scan and xorxes scan. I think you’re just making sh*t up now that doesn’t make sense.

I will post this in as plain and clear English as I can.

I want you to post exactly what you know about xorxes' role.

I want you to do so about thirty seconds before night ends.

This gives everyone the knowledge that you actually know what xorxes role is.

It also demonstrates that you knew BEFORE xorxes potentially dies tonight.

This helps prove your claim.

This is in your and the town's best interest.

Failure to do this brings doubt upon your claim to the town at large, even if I think you know, the rest of the town doesn't.

Allow me to respond in plain English:

Posting exactly what I know nerfs the role (Not entirely, but wouldn’t have nailed rdr presumably).

I have kids. I can not commit to a last minute post. Pick a compromise. I can only guarantee posting within the last hour. With an alarm on my phone and prewritten claim I can probably manage last 10 minutes. Anything more is something I can’t guarantee.

I think you’re scum. I’m only putting up with this because foodc is asking too. Whatever demands he asks, I’ll do. You are asking for scummy reasons.

If xorxes/foodc suggest I post now, I will. If they request I post anytime I last hour I will. Until your absurd demands, all three of you had previously said “bunny clearly knows” so why are you being obtuse?

[BunnyGo]

Bunny, I still don't understand why you scumread me and I have to chalk it up to one of three things at this point:
1. You are scum and attempting to set up a mislynch on me
2. You are town and have a fundamental misunderstanding of me as a player (which would fit with our previous games)
3. There is a serious language barrier

REALLY?’ You never even addressed my long post spelling it out. You just let it slide. I’m at work on my phone, but you’ve only had a scummier attitude of “game over let’s hurry up and stop looking” since then.

[Chaqa]

I have reason to believe there is no mole in the QT. This clears Xorx and Foodcoats and also potentially 1 other as I have stopped broadcasting if I've added anyone.

You did broadcast that you added Bozo. Are we now pretending that this didn't happen?

I like the idea of jailing Damo. Quite possible that he is the lawyer, and I haven't seen anything from him to explain why his role might be valuable to town.

?

[BunnyGo]

Bunny, I still don't understand why you scumread me and I have to chalk it up to one of three things at this point:
1. You are scum and attempting to set up a mislynch on me
2. You are town and have a fundamental misunderstanding of me as a player (which would fit with our previous games)
3. There is a serious language barrier

REALLY?’ You never even addressed my long post spelling it out. You just let it slide. I’m at work on my phone, but you’ve only had a scummier attitude of “game over let’s hurry up and stop looking” since then.

1) I am not scum
2) if you are town, I will DEFINITELY admit I have no idea how you play
3) I don’t know what your first language is

[BunnyGo]

Bunny, put it in a note on your phone and copy-paste it at the time you think is your last chance to be on before EON.

I’ll do my best. I’ll set an alarm for 10 minutes before.

[Chaqa]

Bunny, I still don't understand why you scumread me and I have to chalk it up to one of three things at this point:
1. You are scum and attempting to set up a mislynch on me
2. You are town and have a fundamental misunderstanding of me as a player (which would fit with our previous games)
3. There is a serious language barrier

REALLY?’ You never even addressed my long post spelling it out. You just let it slide. I’m at work on my phone, but you’ve only had a scummier attitude of “game over let’s hurry up and stop looking” since then.

I don’t know what post you’re referring to. I’ve not been paying full attention during his ridiculously long night phase though.

Posting in the last hour is fine. Ten minutes is fine. But it needs to be before end of night.

@xorx/food: can you just repeat my post so he doesn’t think it’s scummy? I’m sure if either of you typed up the same thing he’d be on your dicks by now

[summit_fever]

I have reason to believe there is no mole in the QT. This clears Xorx and Foodcoats and also potentially 1 other as I have stopped broadcasting if I've added anyone.

You did broadcast that you added Bozo. Are we now pretending that this didn't happen?

I like the idea of jailing Damo. Quite possible that he is the lawyer, and I haven't seen anything from him to explain why his role might be valuable to town.

?

Chaqa:
I wanted to out everything last night, but a combination of getting stuck working on something late and xorx/Bozo/Food being resistant to outing information meant I kept quiet.

Xorxes:
you're such a blabbermouth, you just can't keep a secret. Anyway that secret doesn't matter. I would appreciate you don't out my role. Keeping it a secret has already proven valuable because it allows us to evaluate Bunny's claim better. People don't need to know my role in order to read me, they can just read how I'm playing. And my claims have confirmation from enough people that it can't be doubted that they are true to my role.

[Chaqa]

Bunny, I still don't understand why you scumread me and I have to chalk it up to one of three things at this point:
1. You are scum and attempting to set up a mislynch on me
2. You are town and have a fundamental misunderstanding of me as a player (which would fit with our previous games)
3. There is a serious language barrier

REALLY?’ You never even addressed my long post spelling it out. You just let it slide. I’m at work on my phone, but you’ve only had a scummier attitude of “game over let’s hurry up and stop looking” since then.

1) I am not scum
2) if you are town, I will DEFINITELY admit I have no idea how you play
3) I don’t know what your first language is

English lol

But I often feel like yours isn’t, despite your claims it is.

[xorxes]

Bunny, put it in a note on your phone and copy-paste it at the time you think is your last chance to be on before EON.

I’ll do my best. I’ll set an alarm for 10 minutes before.

Post it as late as you can before EON, but make sure it's before EON.

[BunnyGo]

My one question about EOD:

Why did Chaqa switch when he did?

All day he'd advocated for Squigs and no-lynch. He was set to get his wish. He acknowledged it. THEN he switches to break the tie to vote for
I don't understand why anyone is townreading Chaqa at this point. Advocating no-lynch that hard is scummy. Voting the way he did is scummy. Everything he does and says is scummy, and the whole scum!neighborizer even fits with a scum!doctor and a counter to all the scans and protectives.

I really don't understand what he is thinking if he is town. I've tried. But it's just so much easier to understand what scum!chaq is thinking that I keep coming back to it.

@chaq: help me out here.

Here was your answer.

I’m not sold either way yet but I am going to say since we can’t get unanimous on Squigs, we should just get Temasek now.

^^ for Bunny

But basically I was concerned we would lynch Squigs and he wouldn’t have any targets to shoot, or he might blow up and fuck with us somehow.

It’s not convincing. The case:

1) why break the tie at all?!
2) why have you been so insistent that your new cultists let you know things as soon as you invite them?
3) why are you sure the rest of the sex cult is town?
4) why did you not invite Neph to coordinate defense? If you are Town and you suspect he’s scum, that’s one thing. But you also claim all the time at the top of your lungs that he’s town

Nothing you do is even close to internally consistent. I cannot fathom even the “confused hunting town” narrative BECAUSE YOURE NOT HUNTING YOURE INSISTING THE GAME IS OVER. The only way this all makes sense is if you’re scum trying to hurry the game along.

[BunnyGo]

REALLY?’ You never even addressed my long post spelling it out. You just let it slide. I’m at work on my phone, but you’ve only had a scummier attitude of “game over let’s hurry up and stop looking” since then.

1) I am not scum
2) if you are town, I will DEFINITELY admit I have no idea how you play
3) I don’t know what your first language is

English lol

But I often feel like yours isn’t, despite your claims it is.

Amazingly I was a professor specializing in teaching new college students to read and write logical arguments clearly. It’s part of why is very clear to me you’re trying to bully everyone into not analyzing things. You’re just trying to tell them to be bored at the long night. Stop analyzing different possibilities. Next you’ll insist they just hammer me day 7 because it’s obvious. This is a tactic is writing.

[BunnyGo]

By the way, why are you sure xorxes will die? If you’re so sure then Neph should jail him.

The only reason I need to post before EON is if xorxes is the NK it is strictly worse otherwise. So you’re sure he’s dying? Hmm?

In any case I have an alarm set.

[bozotheclown]

@Nephthys: I think you MUST jail BunnyGo tonight as it gives us the best chance of jailing the scum lawyer/JOAT with lawyering abilities. This gives town the best possible chance to get a good scan, as we need to jail the lawyer for summit's scan to be viable.

If you trust the QT to be town, this is not a very good suggestion. Damo is just as likely to be the lawyer (more imo, but thats up for debate) - and we can still get useful information from Bunny if he actually IS town here. We also have other ways to verify at least bunnies role, and id like to see what he digs up here.

I think the way the redirect was used, when we did not yet know with certainty that there is a lawyer, makes it very, very likely that Bunny is the lawyer. It prevented Bunny from being roleblocked.

If Nephthys is town, the jailer would act before the redirector.

[BunnyGo]

If you trust the QT to be town, this is not a very good suggestion. Damo is just as likely to be the lawyer (more imo, but thats up for debate) - and we can still get useful information from Bunny if he actually IS town here. We also have other ways to verify at least bunnies role, and id like to see what he digs up here.

I think the way the redirect was used, when we did not yet know with certainty that there is a lawyer, makes it very, very likely that Bunny is the lawyer. It prevented Bunny from being roleblocked.

If Nephthys is town, the jailer would act before the redirector.

Another excellent point.

[bozotheclown]

I dont particularly agree with all the logic of this post.

If youre scum and you want to protect bunny from investigatives, is redirecting him to squigs really the way you do it? Because its been demonstrated time and time again that people know if they suddenly have a different target.

It couldve just been a poorly thought out hail mary, but the redirect part feels like a waste. Much more likely they just use it to set up bunny and make him suspicious.

also, scum doesnt actually need to make me look suspicious. If there is a hidden scum that is unsuspected, they know they already have the numbers to lynch me easily later on. If there is any smart scumplay going on at all, Im being kept alive as a mislynch later on for sure.

Vecna, your logic is deeply flawed here.

First of all, scum thrive on uncertainty. You are claiming that, because those who are redirected know they were redirected, it is more optimal for scum to redirect from a town player to a scum player.

This is categorically wrong because redirecting from a scum to a scum player produces just as much uncertainty for town, no more or less.

Further, you are assuming that scum is in such a dominant position that they were willing to accept leaving an extra member of their team open to 1) investigation or 2) jailing - and in the case of their Lawyer/JOAT being jailed, losing their lawyering ability for the night. You are saying that they were willing to do all that, rather than simply protect one of their own with the redirection and create just as much WIFOM as they would anyway.

Finally, if you think Bunny is likely to be town, and knowing now that xorxes, Chaqa, Jamie, bozo and myself are all not scum (or Jamie's claim to be Babysitting scum would've been abused with the NK), then you are claiming that the scum team exists in the following set: Vecna, Nephthys, summit, damo.

Is that correct? I assume you are not claiming scum for yourself, and I assume that you are also not honestly believing summit is scum. Do you believe that the two remaining scum are Nephthys and damo?

If the other scum are well hidden, redirecting a suspicious town, as a town BunnyGo would be, to Squigs would be a good play, to increase the chances of a false cop scan on Squigs and to potentially set up BunnyGo.

[bozotheclown]

@Nephthys: I think you MUST jail BunnyGo tonight as it gives us the best chance of jailing the scum lawyer/JOAT with lawyering abilities. This gives town the best possible chance to get a good scan, as we need to jail the lawyer for summit's scan to be viable.

Jailing BunnyGo prevents us from getting any information on BunnyGo, unless maybe if there is no NK. I think we want to hear BunnyGo's scan result, as well as allow scans on BunnyGo without a redirector around.