M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[BunnyGo]

My current thoughts are
Vecna > Damo > Bunny > Food > Chaqa

I would like to understand why you rank damo and Vecna higher than Bunny. Do you think Squigs redirected from town!Bunny to himself? How do you view that use of Squigs' action? What did redirecting from town!Bunny achieve for Squigs and the scum team?

True. I forgot to consider that. I would shift him to on par with Vecna then

It kept xorxes and summit from clearing me. It allowed them to have very high odds of success of getting the lawyer action to work on squigs. If xorxes hadn’t spoken up, it’s not unlikely I’d have been a mislynch instead of squigs.

[xorxes]

@Neph, regarding your action tonight:

If you jail Chaqa or bozo you won't be interfering with my action, otherwise consider not jailing anyone please. summit may or may not want to scan one of them, so...

Alternatively, you can try to save me or summit, but if you guess wrong and one is killed and the other one is roleblocked by you, you will probably be lynched. So choose wisely if you want to go that way.

Alternatively, you may want to try to jail the killer, but if you miss and you protect someone from a scan, you will also be suspicious.

So don't say what you will do, but don't mess things up.

[xorxes]

Could someone check if any of the roles that have flipped so far are not in here:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _modifiers

I will do it myself if I have more time later. I can't find "Student" anywhere. It sounds like it could be an interesting role, but it's not on this list.

I think everything except Lightning Bolt is on the list.

Which may mean the Lightning Rod was just one JOAT action as Chaqa thinks.

Both that one and Vecna's "2 charges" are the outliers in being abilities that get used up. Yours and/or damo's may fall in that category as well.

[BunnyGo]

@Neph, regarding your action tonight:

If you jail Chaqa or bozo you won't be interfering with my action, otherwise consider not jailing anyone please. summit may or may not want to scan one of them, so...

Alternatively, you can try to save me or summit, but if you guess wrong and one is killed and the other one is roleblocked by you, you will probably be lynched. So choose wisely if you want to go that way.

Alternatively, you may want to try to jail the killer, but if you miss and you protect someone from a scan, you will also be suspicious.

So don't say what you will do, but don't mess things up.

I agree with this. Jailing yourself or nobody is probably the most towny options. I’m scanning where xorxes told me. I hope summit considers scanning chaqa since neither I nor xorxes can.

Jailing bozo is fine, but who knows if it bothers him or if summit is planning on scanning him (I doubt it)

[BunnyGo]

@food. You ask a very good question to get me to stop and consider motivation. I can’t actually come up with a good reason why scum!neph and scum!vecna would decide to do this now. They just had to sit back and let us self destruct. So while mechanically they could be scum together, they’d have to be doing a bad job of it. And I don’t think they would.

[xorxes]

@Neph, regarding your action tonight:

If you jail Chaqa or bozo you won't be interfering with my action, otherwise consider not jailing anyone please. summit may or may not want to scan one of them, so...

Alternatively, you can try to save me or summit, but if you guess wrong and one is killed and the other one is roleblocked by you, you will probably be lynched. So choose wisely if you want to go that way.

Alternatively, you may want to try to jail the killer, but if you miss and you protect someone from a scan, you will also be suspicious.

So don't say what you will do, but don't mess things up.

I agree with this. Jailing yourself or nobody is probably the most towny options. I’m scanning where xorxes told me. I hope summit considers scanning chaqa since neither I nor xorxes can.

Jailing bozo is fine, but who knows if it bothers him or if summit is planning on scanning him (I doubt it)

If he jails himself he can't be scanned, that's not a towny option, unless he thinks he will be NKd.

[xorxes]

@food. You ask a very good question to get me to stop and consider motivation. I can’t actually come up with a good reason why scum!neph and scum!vecna would decide to do this now. They just had to sit back and let us self destruct. So while mechanically they could be scum together, they’d have to be doing a bad job of it. And I don’t think they would.

Which one of the two you scumread the most?

[foodcoats]

@food. You ask a very good question to get me to stop and consider motivation. I can’t actually come up with a good reason why scum!neph and scum!vecna would decide to do this now. They just had to sit back and let us self destruct. So while mechanically they could be scum together, they’d have to be doing a bad job of it. And I don’t think they would.

I don't fully understand your conclusion. Are you saying I've convinced you that it is unlikely they are scum together?

[bozotheclown]

Could someone check if any of the roles that have flipped so far are not in here:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _modifiers

I will do it myself if I have more time later. I can't find "Student" anywhere. It sounds like it could be an interesting role, but it's not on this list.

I think everything except Lightning Bolt is on the list.

Which may mean the Lightning Rod was just one JOAT action as Chaqa thinks.

Both that one and Vecna's "2 charges" are the outliers in being abilities that get used up. Yours and/or damo's may fall in that category as well.

Maybe Paranoid Gun Owner was another JOAT action if Vecna and
foodcoats are mafia.

[BunnyGo]

@Neph, regarding your action tonight:

If you jail Chaqa or bozo you won't be interfering with my action, otherwise consider not jailing anyone please. summit may or may not want to scan one of them, so...

Alternatively, you can try to save me or summit, but if you guess wrong and one is killed and the other one is roleblocked by you, you will probably be lynched. So choose wisely if you want to go that way.

Alternatively, you may want to try to jail the killer, but if you miss and you protect someone from a scan, you will also be suspicious.

So don't say what you will do, but don't mess things up.

I agree with this. Jailing yourself or nobody is probably the most towny options. I’m scanning where xorxes told me. I hope summit considers scanning chaqa since neither I nor xorxes can.

Jailing bozo is fine, but who knows if it bothers him or if summit is planning on scanning him (I doubt it)

If he jails himself he can't be scanned, that's not a towny option, unless he thinks he will be NKd.

If you say so

[BunnyGo]

@food. You ask a very good question to get me to stop and consider motivation. I can’t actually come up with a good reason why scum!neph and scum!vecna would decide to do this now. They just had to sit back and let us self destruct. So while mechanically they could be scum together, they’d have to be doing a bad job of it. And I don’t think they would.

I don't fully understand your conclusion. Are you saying I've convinced you that it is unlikely they are scum together?

More like you caused me to stop and think about more than mechamics. But yes...unlikely to be scum togeher

[xorxes]

I think everything except Lightning Bolt is on the list.

Which may mean the Lightning Rod was just one JOAT action as Chaqa thinks.

Both that one and Vecna's "2 charges" are the outliers in being abilities that get used up. Yours and/or damo's may fall in that category as well.

Maybe Paranoid Gun Owner was another JOAT action if Vecna and
foodcoats are mafia.

Do you mean to say that Vecna may have claimed food's second action for himself? We know that food did have lighning rod (unless it was somehow thrown to him, but that seems unlikely). I guess we don't have proof that Vecna was the one who killed kgray other than his claim, but claiming food's ability would expose him if food ever flipped.

[xorxes]

I agree with this. Jailing yourself or nobody is probably the most towny options. I’m scanning where xorxes told me. I hope summit considers scanning chaqa since neither I nor xorxes can.

Jailing bozo is fine, but who knows if it bothers him or if summit is planning on scanning him (I doubt it)

If he jails himself he can't be scanned, that's not a towny option, unless he thinks he will be NKd.

If you say so

You disagree?

[Chaqa]

Jail xorxes so he can suffer through this for delaying the night an extra day.

Kappa

[foodcoats]

I would like to understand why you rank damo and Vecna higher than Bunny. Do you think Squigs redirected from town!Bunny to himself? How do you view that use of Squigs' action? What did redirecting from town!Bunny achieve for Squigs and the scum team?

True. I forgot to consider that. I would shift him to on par with Vecna then

It kept xorxes and summit from clearing me. It allowed them to have very high odds of success of getting the lawyer action to work on squigs. If xorxes hadn’t spoken up, it’s not unlikely I’d have been a mislynch instead of squigs.

Why do you think scum were so certain you'd be scanned? The redirector effectively allowed them to Lawyer two players at once. The straightforward play, to my mind, is that they would use it on a second scum so that 2/3rds of the time, if a scum was cop-scanned, the result would be a clear on Squigs, who was lawyered. Using the redirector on town was the riskier play.

Who do you think would mastermind such a risky play? What information or claims do you think led them to believe they could get away with it?

[bozotheclown]

Which may mean the Lightning Rod was just one JOAT action as Chaqa thinks.

Both that one and Vecna's "2 charges" are the outliers in being abilities that get used up. Yours and/or damo's may fall in that category as well.

Maybe Paranoid Gun Owner was another JOAT action if Vecna and
foodcoats are mafia.

Do you mean to say that Vecna may have claimed food's second action for himself? We know that food did have lighning rod (unless it was somehow thrown to him, but that seems unlikely). I guess we don't have proof that Vecna was the one who killed kgray other than his claim, but claiming food's ability would expose him if food ever flipped.

That is what I was suggesting, but you are right about why that would be risky.

[bozotheclown]

Could someone check if any of the roles that have flipped so far are not in here:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _modifiers

I will do it myself if I have more time later. I can't find "Student" anywhere. It sounds like it could be an interesting role, but it's not on this list.

I think everything except Lightning Bolt is on the list.

Even though Lightning Rod is not listed in the link you referenced, it is included in the roles on that site:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... htning_Rod

I could not find a reference to Student.

[xorxes]

If there is a JOAT
and if Lawyer was a JOAT ability
and if one of Vecna or foodcoats is the JOAT
then, since Vecna can't have been the one who lawyered Squigs, then food must be the JOAT.

A lot of ifs, but plausible.

[xorxes]

Jail xorxes so he can suffer through this for delaying the night an extra day.

Kappa

I don't think I was the only one who wanted to use the precious time they may have left.

[BunnyGo]

If he jails himself he can't be scanned, that's not a towny option, unless he thinks he will be NKd.

If you say so

You disagree?

I think if Neph wants to jail himself, he should feel free. I think he should feel free to do anything, actually. But if he interferes with a scan, it looks bad for him. If he saves a NK, it looks good for him. I think him jailing himself is pretty unlikely to interfere with anything. I think him jailing Chaqa might (especially after you asked summit to consider scanning Chaq). I think him jailing you or summit or me DEFINITELY interferes with a scan. The rest...who knows?