M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[Vecna]

Seems like youre either scum that just did a slip by addressing me like you know im town.... or youre a hypocrit that is calling out town for throwing while youre scumreading said town.

[xorxes]

I think he's the scummiest player in this game.

Yeah, but what do you mean he is trying to throw the game? Wouldn't he have to be town to be doing that? Or if he is throwing the game by accusing you, wouldn't that mean you have to be scum with him?

I'm saying if he's town he is.

I've been trying to lynch him for days now. It doesn't seem like I'm ever gonna get any traction on it. I can understand why no one is inclined to believe me but its a little frustrating

I've been scumreading him since EOD2, but there has always been someone scummier to lynch since then: RHK, rivera, Squigs (failed), Squigs. And now Bunny... What are your thoughts on Bunny?

[BunnyGo]

How can your role have no responses if nobody did anything to you, and at the same time your action fail because you couldn't find foodc?

What I mean is:

N1 there would be an expected response. It didn't come because foodc was not found. I had not been informed previously (despite asking with a ##CALL GM in forum) that such a fail message had been delivered.

My role would get no response N2 on its own.

If somebody targeted me N2 (like a doc save or who knows what's going on) then maybe I'd get a message for that (I didn't).

N3 I did get a message, it was not what I was expecting, but it was amusing and informative.

This is consistent with the role you're claiming, but why was the message you got N3 amusing and informative?

I finally got an answer about what happened to Dargo night 1. Worcej was snarky about me not studying AGAIN and doomed to spend another drunken night doing nothing.

[BunnyGo]

Seems like youre either scum that just did a slip by addressing me like you know im town.... or youre a hypocrit that is calling out town for throwing while youre scumreading said town.

Is anyone else worried about my theory that scum!Neph==> scum!Vecna and this is all theatre?

[damo666]

Seems like youre either scum that just did a slip by addressing me like you know im town.... or youre a hypocrit that is calling out town for throwing while youre scumreading said town.

Is anyone else worried about my theory that scum!Neph==> scum!Vecna and this is all theatre?

with whom Bozo or you? There has to be a redirector doesn't there?

[Nephthys]

Yeah, but what do you mean he is trying to throw the game? Wouldn't he have to be town to be doing that? Or if he is throwing the game by accusing you, wouldn't that mean you have to be scum with him?

I'm saying if he's town he is.

I've been trying to lynch him for days now. It doesn't seem like I'm ever gonna get any traction on it. I can understand why no one is inclined to believe me but its a little frustrating

I've been scumreading him since EOD2, but there has always been someone scummier to lynch since then: RHK, rivera, Squigs (failed), Squigs. And now Bunny... What are your thoughts on Bunny?

My current thoughts are
Vecna > Damo > Bunny > Food > Chaqa

[BunnyGo]

Seems like youre either scum that just did a slip by addressing me like you know im town.... or youre a hypocrit that is calling out town for throwing while youre scumreading said town.

Is anyone else worried about my theory that scum!Neph==> scum!Vecna and this is all theatre?

with whom Bozo or you? There has to be a redirector doesn't there?

Do we know Vecna isn’t JOAT? And squigs was redirector, right?

[foodcoats]

Seems like youre either scum that just did a slip by addressing me like you know im town.... or youre a hypocrit that is calling out town for throwing while youre scumreading said town.

Is anyone else worried about my theory that scum!Neph==> scum!Vecna and this is all theatre?

Which interactions in particular do you think are best explained as scum vs. scum?

[damo666]

Only Bozo, Bunny and me can realistically be the deflector/redirector thing. If Xorxes is to be believed Bozo is clear, I am town hence Bunny is scum.

His partner? Chaqa or Naph probably.

[Nephthys]

To flesh out some of my additonal thoughts on Vecna,

a 2x veteran seems very odd.

@Vecna, what were the 120 pages you haven't read?

A lot of stuff in the 200-320 range

he claims this yet here are his posts from those pages, definitely reading
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs

[BunnyGo]

Seems like youre either scum that just did a slip by addressing me like you know im town.... or youre a hypocrit that is calling out town for throwing while youre scumreading said town.

Is anyone else worried about my theory that scum!Neph==> scum!Vecna and this is all theatre?

Which interactions in particular do you think are best explained as scum vs. scum?

I had a post (currently on phone) showing that Neph jailing Vecna to protect from Jamie could have been Scummy of both. ESPECIALLY if I’m correct about Chaqa being a scummy neighborizer. Xorxes not being able to test Chaq and Chaq asking about everyone’s roles before joining only encourages this.

If there are 3 scum left. I think Chaq/Neph/Vecna isn’t unlikely. If only 2 left, Chaq/Vecna could be.

As xorxes said, we never remember the dead town, but clearly Jamie scumread Vecna, and there are good reasons to scumread Chaq.

[BunnyGo]

Only Bozo, Bunny and me can realistically be the deflector/redirector thing. If Xorxes is to be believed Bozo is clear, I am town hence Bunny is scum.

His partner? Chaqa or Naph probably.

Xorxes didn’t say bozo was clear!! He said he scanned him. That’s different.

[foodcoats]

I'm saying if he's town he is.

I've been trying to lynch him for days now. It doesn't seem like I'm ever gonna get any traction on it. I can understand why no one is inclined to believe me but its a little frustrating

I've been scumreading him since EOD2, but there has always been someone scummier to lynch since then: RHK, rivera, Squigs (failed), Squigs. And now Bunny... What are your thoughts on Bunny?

My current thoughts are
Vecna > Damo > Bunny > Food > Chaqa

I would like to understand why you rank damo and Vecna higher than Bunny. Do you think Squigs redirected from town!Bunny to himself? How do you view that use of Squigs' action? What did redirecting from town!Bunny achieve for Squigs and the scum team?

[BunnyGo]

Only Bozo, Bunny and me can realistically be the deflector/redirector thing. If Xorxes is to be believed Bozo is clear, I am town hence Bunny is scum.

His partner? Chaqa or Naph probably.

Xorxes didn’t say bozo was clear!! He said he scanned him. That’s different.

He was telling me not to bother since the sex cult knows the result. But it doesn’t say bozo is town.

[foodcoats]

Only Bozo, Bunny and me can realistically be the deflector/redirector thing. If Xorxes is to be believed Bozo is clear, I am town hence Bunny is scum.

His partner? Chaqa or Naph probably.

Xorxes didn’t say bozo was clear!! He said he scanned him. That’s different.

Squigs was the redirector. Did you mean something else?

[BunnyGo]

Only Bozo, Bunny and me can realistically be the deflector/redirector thing. If Xorxes is to be believed Bozo is clear, I am town hence Bunny is scum.

His partner? Chaqa or Naph probably.

Xorxes didn’t say bozo was clear!! He said he scanned him. That’s different.

Squigs was the redirector. Did you mean something else?

No. Xorxes was telling me where to use my new ability. He said that I needn’t bother scanning bozo, because he already has a result. Damo confused this as saying that bozo must be Town. I was correcting the record.

[BunnyGo]

Only Bozo, Bunny and me can realistically be the deflector/redirector thing. If Xorxes is to be believed Bozo is clear, I am town hence Bunny is scum.

His partner? Chaqa or Naph probably.

Xorxes didn’t say bozo was clear!! He said he scanned him. That’s different.

Squigs was the redirector. Did you mean something else?

Oh. He made that mistake in another post too.

[Nephthys]

I've been scumreading him since EOD2, but there has always been someone scummier to lynch since then: RHK, rivera, Squigs (failed), Squigs. And now Bunny... What are your thoughts on Bunny?

My current thoughts are
Vecna > Damo > Bunny > Food > Chaqa

I would like to understand why you rank damo and Vecna higher than Bunny. Do you think Squigs redirected from town!Bunny to himself? How do you view that use of Squigs' action? What did redirecting from town!Bunny achieve for Squigs and the scum team?

True. I forgot to consider that. I would shift him to on par with Vecna then

[foodcoats]

Is anyone else worried about my theory that scum!Neph==> scum!Vecna and this is all theatre?

Which interactions in particular do you think are best explained as scum vs. scum?

I had a post (currently on phone) showing that Neph jailing Vecna to protect from Jamie could have been Scummy of both. ESPECIALLY if I’m correct about Chaqa being a scummy neighborizer. Xorxes not being able to test Chaq and Chaq asking about everyone’s roles before joining only encourages this.

If there are 3 scum left. I think Chaq/Neph/Vecna isn’t unlikely. If only 2 left, Chaq/Vecna could be.

As xorxes said, we never remember the dead town, but clearly Jamie scumread Vecna, and there are good reasons to scumread Chaq.

Yes, that is something that COULD have happened.

But consider. There were 10 players N5. If you know you are town and you know Squigs was scum, there were 8 players with probably 2, or maybe 3, other scum. That means the likelihood they are both scum is 25% of 25%, or about 6%; or 37.5% of 37.5%, 14%. It is much more likely just one of them is scum, and far more likely that neither is.

A possible scum strategy with a very low probability is no reason to lynch.

What other reasons make you think it is scum theater? If there is one that is more likely scum than the other, who do you think it is and why?

[bozotheclown]

Could someone check if any of the roles that have flipped so far are not in here:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _modifiers

I will do it myself if I have more time later. I can't find "Student" anywhere. It sounds like it could be an interesting role, but it's not on this list.

I think everything except Lightning Bolt is on the list.