M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[BunnyGo]

My role is the only important secret we have I think. As I said in the QT, the other little secret I don't care if you want to reveal or not. I don't think we should reveal my role, there's already enough people that know what it is that you don't have to worry about dying without revealing it. And there's about a 0.0001% chance that you are NKd anyway.

The fact it worked on squigs suggests that there is either no mole *OR* they decided to pretend they didn’t know. Tough call.

Xorx didn't say who he was going to check last night, though. The way it happened could have been covering bases. Regardless, it appears they did not know whether xorxes' ability would be covered by the Lawyer or not, which does strongly imply that they did not know his role.

Additionally, I'm not sure they'd have taken the risk of killing Jamiet if they knew his role. If they did, they would assume killing him would kill Vecna - so Vecna probably can't be scum, and Neph is likely clear as well because if they did know Jamiet's role, there would have to be three scum (Neph, Vecna, and someone in the QT) to pull off this big play.

This implies that Neph and Vecna, as well as the entire QT, are clear.

Leaves scum down to being in Bunny, Damo, Summit.

Or you. All of it points to you as the mole if there is one. Squigs could have been a tactical sacrifice.

[BunnyGo]

The fact it worked on squigs suggests that there is either no mole *OR* they decided to pretend they didn’t know. Tough call.

Xorx didn't say who he was going to check last night, though. The way it happened could have been covering bases. Regardless, it appears they did not know whether xorxes' ability would be covered by the Lawyer or not, which does strongly imply that they did not know his role.

Additionally, I'm not sure they'd have taken the risk of killing Jamiet if they knew his role. If they did, they would assume killing him would kill Vecna - so Vecna probably can't be scum, and Neph is likely clear as well because if they did know Jamiet's role, there would have to be three scum (Neph, Vecna, and someone in the QT) to pull off this big play.

This implies that Neph and Vecna, as well as the entire QT, are clear.

Leaves scum down to being in Bunny, Damo, Summit.

Jamie claimed in the QT that he was going to babysit scum, which I think he obviously did to reaction test if there was a mole. That, plus the fact they chose to kill Jamie and not xorxes or summit, in my mind proves that there is no mole, bozo Chaqa and xorxes are all town (and myself obviously but decide for yourself) and there was no no no reason for summit to place a guilty scan on RHK when he did if he is scum. Plus, redirecting from Bunny to Squigs with a guaranteed Lawyer type ability AND a town jailor makes it OBVIOUS Bunny is also scum.

It is Bunny and almost guaranteed to be damo based on how scummy he has been the whole game - did you notice he has never addressed the fact that I keep calling him scummy? That's pro strats, scum don't want to interact with their own accusers if they can help it - with this long shot that maybe Vecna is having an amazing wolf game.

Why did Jamie think Vecna was scum?

[Chaqa]

It is fair to suspect me. I’m probably the most prolific busser in our mafia community.

[xorxes]

Could someone check if any of the roles that have flipped so far are not in here:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _modifiers

I will do it myself if I have more time later. I can't find "Student" anywhere. It sounds like it could be an interesting role, but it's not on this list.

[Vecna]

My role is the only important secret we have I think. As I said in the QT, the other little secret I don't care if you want to reveal or not. I don't think we should reveal my role, there's already enough people that know what it is that you don't have to worry about dying without revealing it. And there's about a 0.0001% chance that you are NKd anyway.

The fact it worked on squigs suggests that there is either no mole *OR* they decided to pretend they didn’t know. Tough call.

Xorx didn't say who he was going to check last night, though. The way it happened could have been covering bases. Regardless, it appears they did not know whether xorxes' ability would be covered by the Lawyer or not, which does strongly imply that they did not know his role.

Additionally, I'm not sure they'd have taken the risk of killing Jamiet if they knew his role. If they did, they would assume killing him would kill Vecna - so Vecna probably can't be scum, and Neph is likely clear as well because if they did know Jamiet's role, there would have to be three scum (Neph, Vecna, and someone in the QT) to pull off this big play.

This implies that Neph and Vecna, as well as the entire QT, are clear.

Leaves scum down to being in Bunny, Damo, Summit.

Bad deduction, neph is not clear if scum had noone in the QT.

If they didnt know jamiets role, scum Neph still needed to have a plausible jailkeep target. He couldnt really jail his own partners. He couldnt really jail summit or xorxes without scumclaiming.

[Vecna]

Even though this is the most likely conclusion, remember that foodcoats is also claiming his role pm describes specifically how his role operates before other roleblocking actions of the same faction. its not impossible that this could be the case for scenario's where the priority is unclear otherwise

If foodcoats and Neph are both town, that would explain the special note in food's role. The specification would be totally unnecessary if he was the only town roleblocker role, because town roleblocker goes before anything else anyway.

That's an interesting point. I assumed it was just in there because that's "how a lightning rod be," but it makes sense that, from a GM perspective, you want to provide clarity on the roles so that your adjudication is not questioned.

That's another good thing to put in my town!Neph file, though what sold me was Neph saying "If I saved Vecna imma be sad" when he realized Jamie probably babysit Vecna and Neph jailed him, saving him from the double-death. But I actually think Vecna is town now and that all worked out for the best.

read my reply to xorxes because his assumption in that post was wrong.

The town JOAT also had a roleblock ability

[BunnyGo]

Could someone check if any of the roles that have flipped so far are not in here:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _modifiers

I will do it myself if I have more time later. I can't find "Student" anywhere. It sounds like it could be an interesting role, but it's not on this list.

I don’t see it. It’s not completely unlike a Developer except modified for closed role madness.

[BunnyGo]

Could someone check if any of the roles that have flipped so far are not in here:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _modifiers

I will do it myself if I have more time later. I can't find "Student" anywhere. It sounds like it could be an interesting role, but it's not on this list.

I don’t see it. It’s not completely unlike a Developer except modified for closed role madness.

Also a Follower.

[bozotheclown]

Can copy ability on even nights.

Is your role considered investigative? If you visit someone who has used up their power, like Vecna or foodcoats, would you still be able to copy their power? Are you allowed to copy someone's power more than once? If you had visited the Third Party Lead Inquisitor, do you know if you would have been able to start your own 3P faction? If we had no-lynched D1, and you had visited emc N1, could you have copied his power and switch to town?

Are you suggesting he made it up?

It is possible if he is mafia. A town alignment cop and mafia role cop seems reasonable.

[bozotheclown]

If the mafia had a jailer and a redirector, it would cause a significant conflict if they had the same target, like they would have N1, so I do not think there is much of a chance Nephthys is mafia.

How is that? If all the game analysis we’ve done, that one doesn’t immediately jump out at me.

If the jailer and redirector both activated N1, I think if the redirector acted first, all visits pulled in by foodcoats would have been redirected to the redirector's second target (assuming it was not foodcoats), including the jail, but if the jailer acted first, the redirector would not have found foodcoats.

[bozotheclown]

Confirmed:
BismarckAlive: Town JOAT
kgray: Town Motion Detector
TheMarche: Town Bus Driver
Donny Dude: Town Tracker
emc: Third Party Universal Backup -> Town Tracker
flash: Town Watcher
DemonRHK: Mafia Street Doctor

Claims:
foodcoats: Lightning Rod
Chaqa: Neighborizer
brainbomb: Doctor
Vecna: Paranoid Gun Owner
Jamie: "Town Protective"
summit_feve​r: Alignment Cop
rdrivera: Bulletproof
Nephthys: Town Jailer

Others:
bozo
damo
dargorygel/BunnyGo
F​oxcastle/Squigs
Sarah/Temasek
xorxes

When BunnyGo updated summit's role to alignment cop, I thought he was hinting he was a role cop.

[BunnyGo]

If the mafia had a jailer and a redirector, it would cause a significant conflict if they had the same target, like they would have N1, so I do not think there is much of a chance Nephthys is mafia.

How is that? If all the game analysis we’ve done, that one doesn’t immediately jump out at me.

If the jailer and redirector both activated N1, I think if the redirector acted first, all visits pulled in by foodcoats would have been redirected to the redirector's second target (assuming it was not foodcoats), including the jail, but if the jailer acted first, the redirector would not have found foodcoats.

If Neph is scum, their role may clear it up.

[BunnyGo]

Confirmed:
BismarckAlive: Town JOAT
kgray: Town Motion Detector
TheMarche: Town Bus Driver
Donny Dude: Town Tracker
emc: Third Party Universal Backup -> Town Tracker
flash: Town Watcher
DemonRHK: Mafia Street Doctor

Claims:
foodcoats: Lightning Rod
Chaqa: Neighborizer
brainbomb: Doctor
Vecna: Paranoid Gun Owner
Jamie: "Town Protective"
summit_feve​r: Alignment Cop
rdrivera: Bulletproof
Nephthys: Town Jailer

Others:
bozo
damo
dargorygel/BunnyGo
F​oxcastle/Squigs
Sarah/Temasek
xorxes

When BunnyGo updated summit's role to alignment cop, I thought he was hinting he was a role cop.

Nice catch. I’ve been dropping hints since I joined. Didn’t check if dargo did.

[BunnyGo]

Confirmed:
BismarckAlive: Town JOAT
kgray: Town Motion Detector
TheMarche: Town Bus Driver
Donny Dude: Town Tracker
emc: Third Party Universal Backup -> Town Tracker
flash: Town Watcher
DemonRHK: Mafia Street Doctor

Claims:
foodcoats: Lightning Rod
Chaqa: Neighborizer
brainbomb: Doctor
Vecna: Paranoid Gun Owner
Jamie: "Town Protective"
summit_feve​r: Alignment Cop
rdrivera: Bulletproof
Nephthys: Town Jailer

Others:
bozo
damo
dargorygel/BunnyGo
F​oxcastle/Squigs
Sarah/Temasek
xorxes

When BunnyGo updated summit's role to alignment cop, I thought he was hinting he was a role cop.

It’s not exactly “cop”, but still...

[bozotheclown]

I’m on my phone at work. And I’m assed enough to have people give me reads based on what they do and don’t say before I do my own research. @jamie wish granted. ##VOTE DEMON

There is a distinct difference between asking to be caught up, and asking to be caught up, repeatedly, after having been given and confirmed on said synopsis. You're erring toward the second and that can be seen as an excuse to lurk and shirk.

Screw you if you don’t get it. I said I’d be too busy. I’m not too to catch up. I’m on phone at work. And if you don’t understand why having people give their own summaries and focus or not on different things then I don’t know what game you’re playing.

This exchanged seems out of place and consistent with scum distancing.

[BunnyGo]

There is a distinct difference between asking to be caught up, and asking to be caught up, repeatedly, after having been given and confirmed on said synopsis. You're erring toward the second and that can be seen as an excuse to lurk and shirk.

Screw you if you don’t get it. I said I’d be too busy. I’m not too to catch up. I’m on phone at work. And if you don’t understand why having people give their own summaries and focus or not on different things then I don’t know what game you’re playing.

This exchanged seems out of place and consistent with scum distancing.

I have no idea why he jumped on me.

[bozotheclown]

How is that? If all the game analysis we’ve done, that one doesn’t immediately jump out at me.

If the jailer and redirector both activated N1, I think if the redirector acted first, all visits pulled in by foodcoats would have been redirected to the redirector's second target (assuming it was not foodcoats), including the jail, but if the jailer acted first, the redirector would not have found foodcoats.

If Neph is scum, their role may clear it up.

possible

[bozotheclown]

When BunnyGo updated summit's role to alignment cop, I thought he was hinting he was a role cop.

Nice catch. I’ve been dropping hints since I joined. Didn’t check if dargo did.

dargorygel said something about Fargo, which I thought could be a cop crumb.

[foodcoats]

When BunnyGo updated summit's role to alignment cop, I thought he was hinting he was a role cop.

Nice catch. I’ve been dropping hints since I joined. Didn’t check if dargo did.

But you said you are a Student, not a Role Cop. I think this was more of a slip than a crumb.

[Chaqa]

When BunnyGo updated summit's role to alignment cop, I thought he was hinting he was a role cop.

Nice catch. I’ve been dropping hints since I joined. Didn’t check if dargo did.

dargorygel said something about Fargo, which I thought could be a cop crumb.

Fargo is one of his old nicknames from when one of us autocorrected his name.