M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[xorxes]

Wouldn't you like to know?

Yes I would. This huge ammount of secracy is probably the prime reason why so many people have come out looking ultra bad all throughout this game, and are prime mislynch candidates further down the line.

Decide when you wanna give full disclosure in a proper and smart manner, but it has to come out soon.

I wanted to out everything last night, but a combination of getting stuck working on something late and xorx/Bozo/Food being resistant to outing information meant I kept quiet.

you're such a blabbermouth, you just can't keep a secret. Anyway that secret doesn't matter. I would appreciate you don't out my role. Keeping it a secret has already proven valuable because it allows us to evaluate Bunny's claim better. People don't need to know my role in order to read me, they can just read how I'm playing. And my claims have confirmation from enough people that it can't be doubted that they are true to my role.

[xorxes]

talk to me about that code that squigs produced. I still dont get what happened there

Squigs was trolling.

[xorxes]

Oh, I interpreted that as him having seen the code but not understanding it properly somehow and producing nonsense

I think everyone understood how the code worked: QT message number, nth word from that message. That was even more clear in my first coded message. Maybe it was in one of the posts you skipped. Bunny figured it out immediately, but of course without being able to read the QT he could not know what the message said.

[Chaqa]

Yes I would. This huge ammount of secracy is probably the prime reason why so many people have come out looking ultra bad all throughout this game, and are prime mislynch candidates further down the line.

Decide when you wanna give full disclosure in a proper and smart manner, but it has to come out soon.

I wanted to out everything last night, but a combination of getting stuck working on something late and xorx/Bozo/Food being resistant to outing information meant I kept quiet.

you're such a blabbermouth, you just can't keep a secret. Anyway that secret doesn't matter. I would appreciate you don't out my role. Keeping it a secret has already proven valuable because it allows us to evaluate Bunny's claim better. People don't need to know my role in order to read me, they can just read how I'm playing. And my claims have confirmation from enough people that it can't be doubted that they are true to my role.

I don't even know what secret you're talking about (besides your role).

[damo666]

Looks like Bunny and Chaqa to me.

N6 They kill Xorxes
D7 lynch Bunny
N7 NK bozo
D8 mislynch me
N8 NK Summit
D9 lynch Chaqa

You got no chance scumboys, may as well concede as food suggests (for the wrong scumteam but whatever).

Bunny + Chaqa would explain how Bunny knows what my role is.

We can't completely discard there's three scum left, in which case we can't afford a mislynch.

Can't afford to lynch me then.

[Vecna]

That's a good point. Two roleblockers in the same faction cause problems.

Even though this is the most likely conclusion, remember that foodcoats is also claiming his role pm describes specifically how his role operates before other roleblocking actions of the same faction. its not impossible that this could be the case for scenario's where the priority is unclear otherwise

If foodcoats and Neph are both town, that would explain the special note in food's role. The specification would be totally unnecessary if he was the only town roleblocker role, because town roleblocker goes before anything else anyway.

It wouldnt explain why Bismarck did not have a note. His roleblock would create the same dilemma as Redirector/jailkeeper.

Using this logic it actually makes more sense that neph is scum with a note on his role that indicates whether he acts before or after the redirector

[Vecna]

It actually changes. I am investigative on odd nights, and my other action on even.

I don’t steal alignment, and I don’t steal items, I learn skills. I’ll ask GM about what he intended for rdr, but I’m guessing it’d be kill/start a QT ability. But I dont know why you think it would start a new 3P. I could study with chaqa and start my own QT that way.

I assume that since EMC would not have done an action for me to study, I wouldn’t copy him. I’ll ask worcej, but I doubt he considered that interaction.

Imagine how crap this game would become if this claim is real and the jailkeeper was lynched D1 and we'd get back to back lightning rod nights.

emc would have become a new jailkeeper though.

ah yes, true

[damo666]

Also, im expecting that the modifier might have actually worked both against the cop scan and the lie detector maybe?

As in "modify X for the next daycycle so that they appear as town for all intents and purposes"

Maybe using the lie detector on an "i am town" statement would them count them as town and result in a truth return?

Would that classify as a cop-like power (as the way its referred to in the role pm?).

Don't think so. Tem's role description would have a 'unless modified' type clause in it.

[Vecna]

What makes you say that Damo?

did summit ever claim he has that in his role pm?

[damo666]

What makes you say that Damo?

did summit ever claim he has that in his role pm?

I don't follow. I was talking about Tem.

[BunnyGo]

Can copy ability on even nights.

Is your role considered investigative? If you visit someone who has used up their power, like Vecna or foodcoats, would you still be able to copy their power? Are you allowed to copy someone's power more than once? If you had visited the Third Party Lead Inquisitor, do you know if you would have been able to start your own 3P faction? If we had no-lynched D1, and you had visited emc N1, could you have copied his power and switch to town?

Good questions. Also, is this an established role, or something new that worcej came up with?

I think I answered already. As for “established” I have no idea. I learn new “established” roles every game I play here.

[BunnyGo]

Looks like Bunny and Chaqa to me.

N6 They kill Xorxes
D7 lynch Bunny
N7 NK bozo
D8 mislynch me
N8 NK Summit
D9 lynch Chaqa

You got no chance scumboys, may as well concede as food suggests (for the wrong scumteam but whatever).

Bunny + Chaqa would explain how Bunny knows what my role is.

We can't completely discard there's three scum left, in which case we can't afford a mislynch.

I would really like to think that worcej would give us a hint if we were at lylo/mylo.

[BunnyGo]

Xorxes also towncleared him?

so he's only scum if xorxes is.

I have explained before that this is not true. There is a way in which he could still be scum. Chaqa, foodcoats, and now Bunny if he is telling the truth, know how he could still be scum. It's unlikely, but not mechanically out of the question.

Regardless, in the small offchance that bunny is town here and he is not jailed tonight he can confirm whatever ability xorxes is claiming (just in case xorxes mysteriously does not die) and confirm both town!xorx and town!bozo

Bunny already knows my ability, or he has made a good guess, I'm convinced of that. The question is whether he knows it because he is telling the truth about his role, because there's a mole in the QT, because he guessed it, or whatever other reason.

Ok at the bozo thing.

Also, I thought you were testing bunny in logical fallacies, to see if he was fakeclaiming his role..... but he should not have the knowledge of your ability yet (only EoN since this is N5). He would get it tonight, be able to use it tomorrow night?

This is night 6...

[BunnyGo]

Is your role considered investigative? If you visit someone who has used up their power, like Vecna or foodcoats, would you still be able to copy their power? Are you allowed to copy someone's power more than once? If you had visited the Third Party Lead Inquisitor, do you know if you would have been able to start your own 3P faction? If we had no-lynched D1, and you had visited emc N1, could you have copied his power and switch to town?

It actually changes. I am investigative on odd nights, and my other action on even.

I don’t steal alignment, and I don’t steal items, I learn skills. I’ll ask GM about what he intended for rdr, but I’m guessing it’d be kill/start a QT ability. But I dont know why you think it would start a new 3P. I could study with chaqa and start my own QT that way.

I assume that since EMC would not have done an action for me to study, I wouldn’t copy him. I’ll ask worcej, but I doubt he considered that interaction.

Imagine how crap this game would become if this claim is real and the jailkeeper was lynched D1 and we'd get back to back lightning rod nights.

If jailkeeper was lynched D1 then EMC would be jailor. And I still wouldn’t get the lightning.

[BunnyGo]

I mean, squigs role only worked unidirectionally, and Squigs was lawyered. They wouldn't redirect from a random townie. Bunny is obviously scum. And since they didn't want bunny jailed, most likely bunny is the lawyer.

So for our confirmed scanners to get a good scan, Neph has little choice but to jail bunny... no?

no. Like I said, they wanted their lawyer to get a use. It's hard to guess who summit was scanning, but it was likely me or squigs (nobody else was high on anyone's list). So lawyering squigs and redirecting from me there gives it up. If not for xorxes we might not have lynched him.

By the way, do we really think there's an entire character who has the unique purpose of countering summit (and me if I study with summit)? That's soooo underpowered (especially compared to all he OP characters we've seen). Much more likely they have a JOAT and they wanted to make sure they got a use of their lawyer power.

The redirect also makes me look particularly bad (see: your reaction for evidence).

By the way, *I* didn't want Bunny jailed again last night. I railed about it enough after N3...

More likely is it's a Lawyer who also makes the target have the Ninja ability to avoid Watchers/Trackers.

What is a ninja ability? Are you suggesting it is *both* lawyer and ninja?

[BunnyGo]

I think it might be a prudent idea to fullclaim everything from the hood exactly at EoN. In some enormous wallposts. maybe with the exception of Xorxes' role (not sure how much remains then, but im sure itll be plenty)

Night ends in 7:45h right? It was moved forward 24h?

My role is the only important secret we have I think. As I said in the QT, the other little secret I don't care if you want to reveal or not. I don't think we should reveal my role, there's already enough people that know what it is that you don't have to worry about dying without revealing it. And there's about a 0.0001% chance that you are NKd anyway.

The fact it worked on squigs suggests that there is either no mole *OR* they decided to pretend they didn’t know. Tough call.

[BunnyGo]

Oh, I interpreted that as him having seen the code but not understanding it properly somehow and producing nonsense

I think everyone understood how the code worked: QT message number, nth word from that message. That was even more clear in my first coded message. Maybe it was in one of the posts you skipped. Bunny figured it out immediately, but of course without being able to read the QT he could not know what the message said.

Book codes are very hard to break without the book.

[Chaqa]

I think it might be a prudent idea to fullclaim everything from the hood exactly at EoN. In some enormous wallposts. maybe with the exception of Xorxes' role (not sure how much remains then, but im sure itll be plenty)

Night ends in 7:45h right? It was moved forward 24h?

My role is the only important secret we have I think. As I said in the QT, the other little secret I don't care if you want to reveal or not. I don't think we should reveal my role, there's already enough people that know what it is that you don't have to worry about dying without revealing it. And there's about a 0.0001% chance that you are NKd anyway.

The fact it worked on squigs suggests that there is either no mole *OR* they decided to pretend they didn’t know. Tough call.

Xorx didn't say who he was going to check last night, though. The way it happened could have been covering bases. Regardless, it appears they did not know whether xorxes' ability would be covered by the Lawyer or not, which does strongly imply that they did not know his role.

Additionally, I'm not sure they'd have taken the risk of killing Jamiet if they knew his role. If they did, they would assume killing him would kill Vecna - so Vecna probably can't be scum, and Neph is likely clear as well because if they did know Jamiet's role, there would have to be three scum (Neph, Vecna, and someone in the QT) to pull off this big play.

This implies that Neph and Vecna, as well as the entire QT, are clear.

Leaves scum down to being in Bunny, Damo, Summit.

[foodcoats]

That's a good point. Two roleblockers in the same faction cause problems.

Even though this is the most likely conclusion, remember that foodcoats is also claiming his role pm describes specifically how his role operates before other roleblocking actions of the same faction. its not impossible that this could be the case for scenario's where the priority is unclear otherwise

If foodcoats and Neph are both town, that would explain the special note in food's role. The specification would be totally unnecessary if he was the only town roleblocker role, because town roleblocker goes before anything else anyway.

That's an interesting point. I assumed it was just in there because that's "how a lightning rod be," but it makes sense that, from a GM perspective, you want to provide clarity on the roles so that your adjudication is not questioned.

That's another good thing to put in my town!Neph file, though what sold me was Neph saying "If I saved Vecna imma be sad" when he realized Jamie probably babysit Vecna and Neph jailed him, saving him from the double-death. But I actually think Vecna is town now and that all worked out for the best.

[foodcoats]

My role is the only important secret we have I think. As I said in the QT, the other little secret I don't care if you want to reveal or not. I don't think we should reveal my role, there's already enough people that know what it is that you don't have to worry about dying without revealing it. And there's about a 0.0001% chance that you are NKd anyway.

The fact it worked on squigs suggests that there is either no mole *OR* they decided to pretend they didn’t know. Tough call.

Xorx didn't say who he was going to check last night, though. The way it happened could have been covering bases. Regardless, it appears they did not know whether xorxes' ability would be covered by the Lawyer or not, which does strongly imply that they did not know his role.

Additionally, I'm not sure they'd have taken the risk of killing Jamiet if they knew his role. If they did, they would assume killing him would kill Vecna - so Vecna probably can't be scum, and Neph is likely clear as well because if they did know Jamiet's role, there would have to be three scum (Neph, Vecna, and someone in the QT) to pull off this big play.

This implies that Neph and Vecna, as well as the entire QT, are clear.

Leaves scum down to being in Bunny, Damo, Summit.

Jamie claimed in the QT that he was going to babysit scum, which I think he obviously did to reaction test if there was a mole. That, plus the fact they chose to kill Jamie and not xorxes or summit, in my mind proves that there is no mole, bozo Chaqa and xorxes are all town (and myself obviously but decide for yourself) and there was no no no reason for summit to place a guilty scan on RHK when he did if he is scum. Plus, redirecting from Bunny to Squigs with a guaranteed Lawyer type ability AND a town jailor makes it OBVIOUS Bunny is also scum.

It is Bunny and almost guaranteed to be damo based on how scummy he has been the whole game - did you notice he has never addressed the fact that I keep calling him scummy? That's pro strats, scum don't want to interact with their own accusers if they can help it - with this long shot that maybe Vecna is having an amazing wolf game.