M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[BunnyGo]

@bozo sneaky of you to leave yourself off...

He was under “other” *I* was left off.

[BunnyGo]

Xorxes also towncleared him?

so he's only scum if xorxes is.

Regardless, in the small offchance that bunny is town here and he is not jailed tonight he can confirm whatever ability xorxes is claiming (just in case xorxes mysteriously does not die) and confirm both town!xorx and town!bozo

Who is “him”? I haven’t heard xorxes say he’s clear.

[xorxes]

I still think scum!chaqa makes the most sense both in tone of posts, logic of votes, and the fact that neighborizing scum is clever.

Maybe summit could check that one for us. If Lawyer was a one-off, the only way to stop it from happening is if they kill summit.

Chaqa has been annoying in almost every single vote, advocating for nonsense no-lynches, trying to save RHK and rivera, managing to save Squigs, going for bozo... He is supposed to improve as the game progresses.

[xorxes]

Its still unclear to me when studying does

Can copy ability on even nights.

Is your role considered investigative? If you visit someone who has used up their power, like Vecna or foodcoats, would you still be able to copy their power? Are you allowed to copy someone's power more than once? If you had visited the Third Party Lead Inquisitor, do you know if you would have been able to start your own 3P faction? If we had no-lynched D1, and you had visited emc N1, could you have copied his power and switch to town?

Good questions. Also, is this an established role, or something new that worcej came up with?

[xorxes]

If the mafia had a jailer and a redirector, it would cause a significant conflict if they had the same target, like they would have N1, so I do not think there is much of a chance Nephthys is mafia.

That's a good point. Two roleblockers in the same faction cause problems.

[xorxes]

Xorxes also towncleared him?

so he's only scum if xorxes is.

I have explained before that this is not true. There is a way in which he could still be scum. Chaqa, foodcoats, and now Bunny if he is telling the truth, know how he could still be scum. It's unlikely, but not mechanically out of the question.

Regardless, in the small offchance that bunny is town here and he is not jailed tonight he can confirm whatever ability xorxes is claiming (just in case xorxes mysteriously does not die) and confirm both town!xorx and town!bozo

Bunny already knows my ability, or he has made a good guess, I'm convinced of that. The question is whether he knows it because he is telling the truth about his role, because there's a mole in the QT, because he guessed it, or whatever other reason.

[xorxes]

Looks like Bunny and Chaqa to me.

N6 They kill Xorxes
D7 lynch Bunny
N7 NK bozo
D8 mislynch me
N8 NK Summit
D9 lynch Chaqa

You got no chance scumboys, may as well concede as food suggests (for the wrong scumteam but whatever).

Bunny + Chaqa would explain how Bunny knows what my role is.

We can't completely discard there's three scum left, in which case we can't afford a mislynch.

[Vecna]

If the mafia had a jailer and a redirector, it would cause a significant conflict if they had the same target, like they would have N1, so I do not think there is much of a chance Nephthys is mafia.

That's a good point. Two roleblockers in the same faction cause problems.

Even though this is the most likely conclusion, remember that foodcoats is also claiming his role pm describes specifically how his role operates before other roleblocking actions of the same faction. its not impossible that this could be the case for scenario's where the priority is unclear otherwise

[Vecna]

Xorxes also towncleared him?

so he's only scum if xorxes is.

I have explained before that this is not true. There is a way in which he could still be scum. Chaqa, foodcoats, and now Bunny if he is telling the truth, know how he could still be scum. It's unlikely, but not mechanically out of the question.

Regardless, in the small offchance that bunny is town here and he is not jailed tonight he can confirm whatever ability xorxes is claiming (just in case xorxes mysteriously does not die) and confirm both town!xorx and town!bozo

Bunny already knows my ability, or he has made a good guess, I'm convinced of that. The question is whether he knows it because he is telling the truth about his role, because there's a mole in the QT, because he guessed it, or whatever other reason.

Ok at the bozo thing.

Also, I thought you were testing bunny in logical fallacies, to see if he was fakeclaiming his role..... but he should not have the knowledge of your ability yet (only EoN since this is N5). He would get it tonight, be able to use it tomorrow night?

[Vecna]

Looks like Bunny and Chaqa to me.

N6 They kill Xorxes
D7 lynch Bunny
N7 NK bozo
D8 mislynch me
N8 NK Summit
D9 lynch Chaqa

You got no chance scumboys, may as well concede as food suggests (for the wrong scumteam but whatever).

lol this is such false bravado

[Vecna]

Can copy ability on even nights.

Is your role considered investigative? If you visit someone who has used up their power, like Vecna or foodcoats, would you still be able to copy their power? Are you allowed to copy someone's power more than once? If you had visited the Third Party Lead Inquisitor, do you know if you would have been able to start your own 3P faction? If we had no-lynched D1, and you had visited emc N1, could you have copied his power and switch to town?

It actually changes. I am investigative on odd nights, and my other action on even.

I don’t steal alignment, and I don’t steal items, I learn skills. I’ll ask GM about what he intended for rdr, but I’m guessing it’d be kill/start a QT ability. But I dont know why you think it would start a new 3P. I could study with chaqa and start my own QT that way.

I assume that since EMC would not have done an action for me to study, I wouldn’t copy him. I’ll ask worcej, but I doubt he considered that interaction.

Imagine how crap this game would become if this claim is real and the jailkeeper was lynched D1 and we'd get back to back lightning rod nights.

[Chaqa]

I mean, squigs role only worked unidirectionally, and Squigs was lawyered. They wouldn't redirect from a random townie. Bunny is obviously scum. And since they didn't want bunny jailed, most likely bunny is the lawyer.

So for our confirmed scanners to get a good scan, Neph has little choice but to jail bunny... no?

no. Like I said, they wanted their lawyer to get a use. It's hard to guess who summit was scanning, but it was likely me or squigs (nobody else was high on anyone's list). So lawyering squigs and redirecting from me there gives it up. If not for xorxes we might not have lynched him.

By the way, do we really think there's an entire character who has the unique purpose of countering summit (and me if I study with summit)? That's soooo underpowered (especially compared to all he OP characters we've seen). Much more likely they have a JOAT and they wanted to make sure they got a use of their lawyer power.

The redirect also makes me look particularly bad (see: your reaction for evidence).

By the way, *I* didn't want Bunny jailed again last night. I railed about it enough after N3...

More likely is it's a Lawyer who also makes the target have the Ninja ability to avoid Watchers/Trackers.

[Chaqa]

I still think scum!chaqa makes the most sense both in tone of posts, logic of votes, and the fact that neighborizing scum is clever.

Yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.

[Vecna]

I mean, squigs role only worked unidirectionally, and Squigs was lawyered. They wouldn't redirect from a random townie. Bunny is obviously scum. And since they didn't want bunny jailed, most likely bunny is the lawyer.

So for our confirmed scanners to get a good scan, Neph has little choice but to jail bunny... no?

no. Like I said, they wanted their lawyer to get a use. It's hard to guess who summit was scanning, but it was likely me or squigs (nobody else was high on anyone's list). So lawyering squigs and redirecting from me there gives it up. If not for xorxes we might not have lynched him.

By the way, do we really think there's an entire character who has the unique purpose of countering summit (and me if I study with summit)? That's soooo underpowered (especially compared to all he OP characters we've seen). Much more likely they have a JOAT and they wanted to make sure they got a use of their lawyer power.

The redirect also makes me look particularly bad (see: your reaction for evidence).

By the way, *I* didn't want Bunny jailed again last night. I railed about it enough after N3...

More likely is it's a Lawyer who also makes the target have the Ninja ability to avoid Watchers/Trackers.

Thats also what I was theorizing at first, but then why would their role pm only specifically mention the cop scans part, and how it would be affected by being modified?

[Chaqa]

Can copy ability on even nights.

Is your role considered investigative? If you visit someone who has used up their power, like Vecna or foodcoats, would you still be able to copy their power? Are you allowed to copy someone's power more than once? If you had visited the Third Party Lead Inquisitor, do you know if you would have been able to start your own 3P faction? If we had no-lynched D1, and you had visited emc N1, could you have copied his power and switch to town?

It actually changes. I am investigative on odd nights, and my other action on even.

I don’t steal alignment, and I don’t steal items, I learn skills. I’ll ask GM about what he intended for rdr, but I’m guessing it’d be kill/start a QT ability. But I dont know why you think it would start a new 3P. I could study with chaqa and start my own QT that way.

I assume that since EMC would not have done an action for me to study, I wouldn’t copy him. I’ll ask worcej, but I doubt he considered that interaction.

This sounds an awful lot like a mafia JOAT or a Role Thief or something.

Doesn't matter. 99% of the time we're lynching you tomorrow.

[Chaqa]

I still think scum!chaqa makes the most sense both in tone of posts, logic of votes, and the fact that neighborizing scum is clever.

Maybe summit could check that one for us. If Lawyer was a one-off, the only way to stop it from happening is if they kill summit.

Chaqa has been annoying in almost every single vote, advocating for nonsense no-lynches, trying to save RHK and rivera, managing to save Squigs, going for bozo... He is supposed to improve as the game progresses.

I still think the no-lynch was the correct play that day.

[Vecna]

I think it might be a prudent idea to fullclaim everything from the hood exactly at EoN. In some enormous wallposts. maybe with the exception of Xorxes' role (not sure how much remains then, but im sure itll be plenty)

Night ends in 7:45h right? It was moved forward 24h?

[Chaqa]

no. Like I said, they wanted their lawyer to get a use. It's hard to guess who summit was scanning, but it was likely me or squigs (nobody else was high on anyone's list). So lawyering squigs and redirecting from me there gives it up. If not for xorxes we might not have lynched him.

By the way, do we really think there's an entire character who has the unique purpose of countering summit (and me if I study with summit)? That's soooo underpowered (especially compared to all he OP characters we've seen). Much more likely they have a JOAT and they wanted to make sure they got a use of their lawyer power.

The redirect also makes me look particularly bad (see: your reaction for evidence).

By the way, *I* didn't want Bunny jailed again last night. I railed about it enough after N3...

More likely is it's a Lawyer who also makes the target have the Ninja ability to avoid Watchers/Trackers.

Thats also what I was theorizing at first, but then why would their role pm only specifically mention the cop scans part, and how it would be affected by being modified?

If this is the case, the role seems extremely underpowered. A Lawyer just to counteract Summit doesn't make much sense to me, and since it apparently doesn't also counteract xorxes' ability...

There's got to be more to it somehow, but I don't know yet.

Maybe Damo is a Godfather and they have a JOAT with a 1x Lawyer they used on Squigs last night?

[Vecna]

wait this is N6 actually.

Bunny -should- already know Xorxes role.

Did you continue inviting people into the hood chaqa?

[Chaqa]

I think it might be a prudent idea to fullclaim everything from the hood exactly at EoN. In some enormous wallposts. maybe with the exception of Xorxes' role (not sure how much remains then, but im sure itll be plenty)

Night ends in 7:45h right? It was moved forward 24h?

No. Night ends in about 32 hours :/