M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[Chaqa]

the most hilarious part of this whole situation is that Tem was actually lie detectoring squigs' post about him being town.

In hindsight, voting no lynch -was- the best possible outcome, seeing how Tem never popped back in.

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[Vecna]

Hey, even my sub-conscience was telling me to agree with you when I was mentally trying to not end the day early

[Chaqa]

I was pushing for it before there even was a Lie Detector claim, too. I think the resistance to the potential no-lynch was weird.

[Vecna]

I think the numbers argument was ok

[Vecna]

GM just told me that he wouldve responded to Tem as soon as he wouldve seen the pm from Tem. Didnt even need to wait for EoD for the result to come in.

Guess we were double unlucky that the gm wasnt around at times that Tem was.

[Chaqa]

GM just told me that he wouldve responded to Tem as soon as he wouldve seen the pm from Tem. Didnt even need to wait for EoD for the result to come in.

Guess we were double unlucky that the gm wasnt around at times that Tem was.

I suppose it was dumb to not wait and hear from Tem... but if Squigs is also town he would have shot him anyway.

[Vecna]

just imagine how many mislynches Sarah couldve saved us from.

D1: claim motion detector, out the result on donny really being town tracker before deadline
N1: Hidden jailkeeper protects Sarah
D2/N2 and later: repeat

Like, even a scum bus driver cannot stop the jailkeep protect since its a protective vs a roleblock action.

Scum would have no way to kill our lie detector until they found the jailkeeper while the lie detector would continue getting clears.

Can someone come up with a way how they could break that? Any potential role that just doesnt instantly confscums Neph here?

[Vecna]

GM just told me that he wouldve responded to Tem as soon as he wouldve seen the pm from Tem. Didnt even need to wait for EoD for the result to come in.

Guess we were double unlucky that the gm wasnt around at times that Tem was.

I suppose it was dumb to not wait and hear from Tem... but if Squigs is also town he would have shot him anyway.

Yep, and this is why its really hard to distinguish scum from town on those wagon movements.

The way Neph votes, then claims 60% town flip chance, then is already preparing his attack on me while the gm is writing that message, and then after instantly gives me the out of writing a readslist to change his mind after I confront him about that shit....

[Vecna]

I guess ive found tomorrows confbias target

[Vecna]

you guys better argue me hard, because im gonna continue chasing what I think makes sense.

I cannot continue being wrong, theres gotta be some truth coming out at some point

[Chaqa]

Logically Neph can't be scum. I already laid the reasoning why in my reads at EoN.

[BunnyGo]

Ok, just caught up. Will not being around much while working. Here’s my current reads and thoughts:

1) Vecna may be all over the place, but he’s hunting and thinking: Town
2) everyone scanned by summit may be scum (especially with flip wording for RHK) but they can’t all be scum, that’s insane. For now I’m focusing elsewhere.
3) summit could be scum, but he didn’t have to throw RHK under bus when he did. It’s good cover, but I have a plan for that.
4) chaqa keeps pinging me. If he’s town, I need to completely reset my chaqa mental model for next game.
5) squigs looks even scummier based on what xorxes dug up. This in turn makes Chaqa look even scummier too.

My leading town reads:
Everyone cleared by summit (unless summit lying, I’m looking into it)
Vecna
Xorxes (for the RHK confirmation and digging up stuff on squigglyFox)

Top scum reads:
Squig
Chaq
Neph? By POE and Vecnas case on mechanics makes sense. Town jailor paired with doctor and daytime scanner of SarahTem is sooooo strong.

[bozotheclown]

Maybe Nephthys and Vecna are mafia bussing each other.

[Vecna]

Maybe Nephthys and Vecna are mafia bussing each other.

And why do you specifically state that about us?

[Vecna]

Logically Neph can't be scum. I already laid the reasoning why in my reads at EoN.

Logically he also cannot be town, I already laid out the reasoning why in my post just a few posts up.

See this isnt helping. I could poke a lot of holes in your reasoning, since there are a ton more reasons why scum would jail a teammate or a town member. Just jailing xorxes to get townread and roleblock any PR abilities there is already a good enough reason for scum in many cases while they dont know of any high value PR targets. Roleblocking a teammate Xorxes is less likely, but that also protects against kills and investigates and has some upside.

Im not saying im 100% on scum Neph. I feel like early game he did not exude his normal town behaviour. This mightve either been caused because of him being a town jailkeeper wanting to not draw too much attention (but rolemadness) or scum. I also though his posts N1 were pretty towny in hindsight with the information we have now. It mightve been scum truthtelling, but why would he question Xorxes' logic on just tunneling the donny-was-scum logic. I also felt he may have had genuine reasoning for his scumreads on me, and the way he has approached me did feel somewhat similair to the times he did suspect me when I was scum.

So thats why, argue with me. Not just "scum wouldnt do X or Y" because you cannot predict what scum would do since town you would not know what powers they have to work with and what plan they are following.

[bozotheclown]

Maybe Nephthys and Vecna are mafia bussing each other.

And why do you specifically state that about us?

I agree it was odd he posted so fast at the beginning of the day, maybe he was preparing to bus you for saving Squigs.

[Vecna]

So youre using logic that relies on 3 people being scum together?

[bozotheclown]

So youre using logic that relies on 3 people being scum together?

Why not, we are probably looking for 3 scum.

[bozotheclown]

A scum jailer does make sense, it resolves the town RB conflict with the town JOAT.

[Vecna]

So youre using logic that relies on 3 people being scum together?

Why not, we are probably looking for 3 scum.

I think this depends.

If foodcoats is town, it can easily be 4 remaining, seeing how scum and 3p are effectively denied an entire night of kills when the LR is activated.

Regardless, if I was going to bus, why not just squigs? Was a pretty perfect target to bus