M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[Vecna]

I was mostly making those quotes for reactions Chaqa, even if there were no good N1 posts, I think that behaviour is not particularly scummy because town is a lot more likely to forgot or misremember their d1 thoughts

[Vecna]

I probably just need to banish all fucking thought of mechanics from my brain and hard reset to my d1 reads, and zone in on the townreads.

[Vecna]

We were voting Sarah because we wanted a secon wagon for vote manipulation shenanigans, and he was an endgame liability.

I mention my town read and reasoning in my EoN read posts later on. They’re quite lengthy and explained, so of course no one reads them. Why even bother lmao

There was no EoN readslist on N1, just the vague explenation of your role and you appearing afraid to get nk'd

[Vecna]

Mister Chaqa's Neighborhood EoN2 reads/info:

I'll go through most everyone and give a brief rundown on what I think of them:

Bozo - Scum. Spent Day 2 trying to lynch Sarah, but then moved to Dargo, then Bismarck. My theory is he is scum teammates with either Sarah or Dargo, maybe both, but likely Dargo.

Brain - I think if there is a 3P, it is brain or xorxes. If I'm wrong on the Bozo/Flash/Dargo trio, then Brain/xorxes would be my other scum guess. Regardless, I think he's town only if Bozo/Flash/Dargo is a more-or-less accurate scumteam (say 2/3) and xorxes is town or 3P.

Damo - Really quiet and lurkerish. I wouldn't town read him yet but I'm not good at reading Damo. Could be a 3P candidate.

Dargo - I think Dargo is scum, for a similar reason to Flash (below).

DemonRHK - Trending more lurking town than scum right this moment, but not clear by any means.

EMC - I'm 99% convinced EMC is town tracker as he has claimed. All of my reads are based around this, basically.

Flash - I think Flash is almost certainly scum. He was a pile-on voter to Donny, and then voted EMC and promptly disappeared for most of Day 2. He wasn't even on for the EMC-Bismarck stuff. This points to someone completely disinterested in the outcome of that lynch.

Foodcoats - Lightning Rod. Town. Not much else to say.

Fox - Null. Possible scum/3P

Jamiet - Pretty solid town for me. Feeling shy, might send him a watch later.

Kgray - Town, I think. Unless she's a prodigy, she's just too similar to her town games.

Neph - I don't know what is up with Neph, but it's something. I tend to think he's a tanner/jester type role, but could just be scum. Maybe Vengeful.

Rivera - Leaning town. No real reason, but my gut is usually on point with rivera. He is known to bus as scum, so if he is scum, Sarah probably also is.

Sarah - Scum in some worlds, newbie town in others. I think the vig should shoot her at some point.

Summit/Marche - pairing them up because I get good town vibes off them. Analytical, relatively engaged. Would like them to post more, but I feel good about them atm. If they flip scum, likely there is a very experienced (xorxes/Vecna/brain) scum player coaching them.

Vecna - Town, most likely. If items start showing up, he's even more likely town. But I kinda think he's actually baiting RB and NK, as a pro-town move.

Xorxes - 3P if there is one, town if not. Maybe scum with brain. Wild-ass theory there, but if there is a 3P, it could be xorxes. Otherwise in most worlds he seems town.

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I have instructed EMC to track Flash tonight. This is because, taking the 3-5 people I most suspected to be scum, Flash seemed like the most likely of them to perform the night-kill.

If Sarah isn't shot tonight, I think the best lynches tomorrow are Flash, Dargo, Bozo, and Sarah. If she is, re-evaluate with that information. If she flips scum, look at rivera.

I think, if I die, mafia will have to had use their Strongman ability. The case where I live likely means they do not have one.

Food was jailed Night 1, if this wasn't explicitly stated elsewhere.

To Brainbomb, I leave my non-existant Camaro.
To Jamiet, I leave my Mustang.
To EMC, I leave my Chipotle gift cards and any adult products he may so desire.
To foodcoats, I leave my food, and my coats.
To Dargo, I leave my copy of the movie "Fargo"

Closing thought:
If we live in a world where EMC and/or Food is scum, we probably already lost lol. Just trust them, guys. Please don't waste Day 3-4 debating EMC and food.

This is your EoN2 post, the last time she was in the game I think?

No townread here either. Definitely not a strong one

So you mustve seriously misremembered you townreading her, or you never shared it with the town. It was constantly either scum or newby town. Which, yeah, everyone could tell.

[damo666]

I probably just need to banish all fucking thought of mechanics from my brain and hard reset to my d1 reads, and zone in on the townreads.

Mind boggling isn't it?

I've tried to construct a 5D table of people by alignment by phase by action by target but there are way too many possibilities.

The only person I'm confident of is summit. (I discard the chance he is playing the long game of sacrificing his scummate Demon and pocketing me lol).

[Jamiet99uk]

@Damo, while you are here:

- Do you agree to a massclaim tomorrow?
- Would you like me to visit you tonight?
- What do you make of so many people scumreading you?
- Who are your top three scumreads?

[xorxes]

I don't think so. A lot of other people have already said their actions failed.

DID SOMEONE ACTUALLY SAY THAT THEIR ACTION FAILED? BEFORE THIS? I DONT REMEMBER THAT AT ALL

If scum dont have daychat this might be someone signalling the correct answer

My purpose with that particular phrasing was to try to draw a bad answer from EMC. Others had already discussed the jailer and that actions hadn't gone through since the target couldn't be found. When Brain asked, though, he basically led EMC to the right answer. Go back and read his question to EMC. I forget exactly what he said, but my recollection is that he asked EMC what happened with his action, and then basically gave him the answer by asking "did it fail or were you unable to find the target." My hope was that if EMC saw my clarification, he would mimic it in his response, and thereby out himself as having lied. Which is not what happened, obviously.

This is an interesting post from Fox(Squigs). He seems to be saying that he knew what the right answer was, but how could he have been drawn to foodcoats if he was Vengeful?

[Vecna]

Went back to reread it, but he was actually right that brainbomb had pretty much already spelled it out what the correct answer was.

The fake ass reaction test without any thought out follow-up was a lot more scummy from Fox, but im not sure it actually is AI

[Vecna]

The way those wagons moved xorxes, do you think it is deadset that squigs is scum and I stupidly saved his ass?

Any other explenations for that situation you can think of?

[xorxes]

Went back to reread it, but he was actually right that brainbomb had pretty much already spelled it out what the correct answer was.

The fake ass reaction test without any thought out follow-up was a lot more scummy from Fox, but im not sure it actually is AI

Are you referring to this:

was he unreachable, could you not find him, did it simply say action failed

Only someone who already knew the answer would think that that may have spelled it out. You didn't figure it out, for example.

[Vecna]

alright, let me read back further

[xorxes]

The way those wagons moved xorxes, do you think it is deadset that squigs is scum and I stupidly saved his ass?

Any other explenations for that situation you can think of?

I can think of many other explanations, of course. But since Squigs is scummy for other reasons, the obvious one is the most likely one.

[Vecna]

I did not target foodcoats
I was told my night action was unable to reach foodcoats

thus scum person who carried kill probably got that pm also.

and all night actions were refunded I assume?

Yeah see, I remembered correctly. It was in brainbombs third post of the day, way before he started questioning emc.

The fact Fox actually went along with the game and shooting the wrong answer to confuse EMC fits with his reply there. Not saying he couldnt fake that as scum, but that particular tidbit actually makes it more likely to me he is town?

I dno, I should refrain from interfering with this further probably because my bias reallys -wants- him to be town here

[Vecna]

Xorxes, can you open up Neph's N1 messages on the bot

Tell me your impressions

[xorxes]

I did not target foodcoats
I was told my night action was unable to reach foodcoats

thus scum person who carried kill probably got that pm also.

and all night actions were refunded I assume?

Yeah see, I remembered correctly. It was in brainbombs third post of the day, way before he started questioning emc.

The fact Fox actually went along with the game and shooting the wrong answer to confuse EMC fits with his reply there. Not saying he couldnt fake that as scum, but that particular tidbit actually makes it more likely to me he is town?

I dno, I should refrain from interfering with this further probably because my bias reallys -wants- him to be town here

Do you still not know what the right answer was, or are you trying to make us believe that you don't know? Surely someone must have shared it in the mafia QT?

[Vecna]

Anyways, im historically really bad at reading slots like Foxcastle, RHK and Darg. Always have been, probably always will be.

The only way ill catch them is if they do something awfully obvious (like when Fox D1 bussed his teammate really hard recently). The fact theyre now so important to solving this game is probably an important factor in why my reads are so shit.

Having said that, I feel that Bunny is overwhelmingly not in his townplay so far. The way he moved around yesterday, the way he talks, the way he reasons - could very well come from scum.

Im also getting more and more pinged by Jamiet, though im not sure if my reasons are good. The timing of him suddenly talking about his suspicion towards the QT could both come from town and scum ofcourse, but it looked odd. His constants posts telling people to stop yelling also just feel weird to me.

[Vecna]

I did not target foodcoats
I was told my night action was unable to reach foodcoats

thus scum person who carried kill probably got that pm also.

and all night actions were refunded I assume?

Yeah see, I remembered correctly. It was in brainbombs third post of the day, way before he started questioning emc.

The fact Fox actually went along with the game and shooting the wrong answer to confuse EMC fits with his reply there. Not saying he couldnt fake that as scum, but that particular tidbit actually makes it more likely to me he is town?

I dno, I should refrain from interfering with this further probably because my bias reallys -wants- him to be town here

Do you still not know what the right answer was, or are you trying to make us believe that you don't know? Surely someone must have shared it in the mafia QT?

Im assuming its what brainbomb stated in the post I quoted? I could swear people confirmed that later?

I should probably stop answering this because my "trap card" spider senses are tingling again

[Vecna]

Also your corny lines about the mafia QT are only making me more suspicious of you Xorxes. You'd know fully well scum me would never fall for any of that shit and wouldnt be caught in any traps regarding mechanics.

[Vecna]

Also I S2G you guys better not be sharing your actions with that QT again, or taking orders from Xorxes

[Chaqa]

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