M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[foodcoats]

Also to anyone pushing the theory that I'm valuable scum and I'm being saved by Tem sacrificing himself, why in the world would I claim vengeful with an important mafia role?

Well, it's already generally accepted Tem is flailing. Why not you?

[Squigs44]

Oh I forgot about Bozo too, although Bozo can probably only be scum if Xorxes is scum because of Xorxes mysterious role.

Not exactly. I said there was a certain way he could be scum in spite of the info I had, but it seemed unlikely. The people who know my role know what that would be.

In any event. I'm assuming you or your neighbors will share that info when it becomes more useful and we can go from there.

[Vecna]

I can see both Xorxes and Vecnas points of view.

With voting Tem, you are almost guaranteeing a mafia loss without the risk of losing town. (Assuming you think Tem is mafia, which he almost certainly is).

With voting me, you are more strongly guaranteeing a mafia loss, but you also increase the chances of a town loss.

I don't know why Vecna would be saving me if he were scum, so the scumteam is almost certainly Tem, Bunny and damo. Although my townreads of Xorxes and foodcoats are fading as they are so averted to a Tem lynch.

Bunny and damo (esp damo) were also trying to save you to some extent

[xorxes]

Oh, and then there is summit fever, who I am still holding out on my tinfoil that he is scum and was just bussing RHK after the brainbomb/RHK incident. This would mean damo is almost certainly mafia with summit

It crossed my mind as well, but seems unlikely. He could have been converted by rivera with the bus swap as well, assuming it was rivera who killed TheMarche, which at this point I'm not sure I believe needs to be the case.

[Squigs44]

Also to anyone pushing the theory that I'm valuable scum and I'm being saved by Tem sacrificing himself, why in the world would I claim vengeful with an important mafia role?

Well, it's already generally accepted Tem is flailing. Why not you?

I'm kinda hurt you think I would flail into a vengeful claim if I was a valuable scum role

[summit_fever]

So from my reading on mafiascum lynching town vengeful claimants
is standard. Vecna, Is there anything in particular about this situation that makes you want to deviate?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Policy_Lynch
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ful_(role)

[foodcoats]

I can see both Xorxes and Vecnas points of view.

With voting Tem, you are almost guaranteeing a mafia loss without the risk of losing town. (Assuming you think Tem is mafia, which he almost certainly is).

With voting me, you are more strongly guaranteeing a mafia loss, but you also increase the chances of a town loss.

I don't know why Vecna would be saving me if he were scum, so the scumteam is almost certainly Tem, Bunny and damo. Although my townreads of Xorxes and foodcoats are fading as they are so averted to a Tem lynch.

Honestly since we don't know what abilities scum have it's not technically impossible or unbalanced for Tem actually to be a lie detector. It is not untownie to not vote Tem.

I really dislike how people are demanding that things be seen in unequivocal ways based on mechanical interpolation. I have scumreads.

[Squigs44]

I can see both Xorxes and Vecnas points of view.

With voting Tem, you are almost guaranteeing a mafia loss without the risk of losing town. (Assuming you think Tem is mafia, which he almost certainly is).

With voting me, you are more strongly guaranteeing a mafia loss, but you also increase the chances of a town loss.

I don't know why Vecna would be saving me if he were scum, so the scumteam is almost certainly Tem, Bunny and damo. Although my townreads of Xorxes and foodcoats are fading as they are so averted to a Tem lynch.

Bunny and damo (esp damo) were also trying to save you to some extent

Thats a good point, although you really lead the charge while everyone else has followed. I'll go reread those posts

[xorxes]

Oh I forgot about Bozo too, although Bozo can probably only be scum if Xorxes is scum because of Xorxes mysterious role.

Not exactly. I said there was a certain way he could be scum in spite of the info I had, but it seemed unlikely. The people who know my role know what that would be.

In any event. I'm assuming you or your neighbors will share that info when it becomes more useful and we can go from there.

Yes, it won't be long before we have to share, but there's no point doing it today.

[foodcoats]

Also to anyone pushing the theory that I'm valuable scum and I'm being saved by Tem sacrificing himself, why in the world would I claim vengeful with an important mafia role?

Well, it's already generally accepted Tem is flailing. Why not you?

I'm kinda hurt you think I would flail into a vengeful claim if I was a valuable scum role

It's not meant to be insulting, and I apologize if i've hurt your feelings. But as I said a while back I don't think scum were given fakeclaims and so claiming for scum is hard.

[Chaqa]

If Squigs does have that limitation we need everyone on him to lynch him... the people we most want on him (Vecna, Tem, Bunny, Damo), only one is on Squigs...

[Vecna]

I can see both Xorxes and Vecnas points of view.

With voting Tem, you are almost guaranteeing a mafia loss without the risk of losing town. (Assuming you think Tem is mafia, which he almost certainly is).

With voting me, you are more strongly guaranteeing a mafia loss, but you also increase the chances of a town loss.

I don't know why Vecna would be saving me if he were scum, so the scumteam is almost certainly Tem, Bunny and damo. Although my townreads of Xorxes and foodcoats are fading as they are so averted to a Tem lynch.

Bunny and damo (esp damo) were also trying to save you to some extent

Thats a good point, although you really lead the charge while everyone else has followed. I'll go reread those posts

Well someone's gotta lead and throw up the viable alternatives. Having 12 votes on you for 48h is about as useless as a day of mafia can be.

[Squigs44]

So from my reading on mafiascum lynching town vengeful claimants
is standard. Vecna, Is there anything in particular about this situation that makes you want to deviate?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Policy_Lynch
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ful_(role)

Whats the percent you think I'm town/scum versus the percent you think Tem is town/scum?

[Chaqa]

Scum seem really scared of Squigs shooting them. Lends credence to him being town...

Maybe it’s Bunny-Vecna and someone deep cover like summit or food?

[Chaqa]

Bunny and damo (esp damo) were also trying to save you to some extent

Thats a good point, although you really lead the charge while everyone else has followed. I'll go reread those posts

Well someone's gotta lead and throw up the viable alternatives. Having 12 votes on you for 48h is about as useless as a day of mafia can be.

Squigs or Tem or Bunny or you... Basically the only options today

[bozotheclown]

Also to anyone pushing the theory that I'm valuable scum and I'm being saved by Tem sacrificing himself, why in the world would I claim vengeful with an important mafia role?

Well, it's already generally accepted Tem is flailing. Why not you?

I'm kinda hurt you think I would flail into a vengeful claim if I was a valuable scum role

Why not vote for Squigs then? If Squigs is town and Temasek jumps off his wagon at EOD, Temasek will be confirmed scum.

[Vecna]

Scum seem really scared of Squigs shooting them. Lends credence to him being town...

Maybe it’s Bunny-Vecna and someone deep cover like summit or food?

Dude there is zero chance of squigs shooting me here, and if my effort fails I have no problem placing a vote on him.

Im still hopeful we'll do the smart play here. but thanks for your effort of spindoctoring what im trying to accomplish

[Chaqa]

Scum seem really scared of Squigs shooting them. Lends credence to him being town...

Maybe it’s Bunny-Vecna and someone deep cover like summit or food?

Dude there is zero chance of squigs shooting me here, and if my effort fails I have no problem placing a vote on him.

Im still hopeful we'll do the smart play here. but thanks for your effort of spindoctoring what im trying to accomplish

https://youtu.be/wsdy_rct6uo

[summit_fever]

So from my reading on mafiascum lynching town vengeful claimants
is standard. Vecna, Is there anything in particular about this situation that makes you want to deviate?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Policy_Lynch
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ful_(role)

Whats the percent you think I'm town/scum versus the percent you think Tem is town/scum?

For Squigs I lean town. let's call it 55/45. If I was given even money I'd bet that you're town.

For Temasek the only idea gnawing at me is that I believe town!Sarah was more likely to leave this game compared to scum!Sarah. I do believe Temasek is lying, and not being here right now isn't helping that. 70/30 scum.

[Vecna]

The fact that none of the people wanting to lynch squigs here can spot that he's approaching this fairly neutral, and that there appears to be very little agenda in his play such as attempting to divert the wagon away from him....

If you want to sway me, convince me that Tem is town.

None of this shit about scumreadnig me, claiming squigs is oh so scummy, throwing hypothetical teams around and all that other blabla should be the focus here.