M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[summit_fever]

See whats happening summit?

Probably not. I'm confused as hell, but this doesn't feel right to me. If squigs has claimed true the role is more valuable to town later on. Chaqa and Xorxes are falling in my (gut) townreads.

Why is it more valuable later? If he is town, the role is most valuable when he has a good target to shoot.

Town will have more information to make a decision on who to shoot later on, and the proportion of scum to town will be higher later on. Squigs is most likely to hit another town player right now.

If Temasek is such a lock for a shot we should just lynch Temasek and let mafia decide if they want to murder town!squigs.

Given how Squigs has acted on day 5 I lean town over scum. I certainly want Squigs and Temasek to continue talking until the day ends naturally.

[Vecna]

Whether your lying about how you found out about Rdrivera for starters

[Chaqa]

Probably not. I'm confused as hell, but this doesn't feel right to me. If squigs has claimed true the role is more valuable to town later on. Chaqa and Xorxes are falling in my (gut) townreads.

Why is it more valuable later? If he is town, the role is most valuable when he has a good target to shoot.

Town will have more information to make a decision on who to shoot later on, and the proportion of scum to town will be higher later on. Squigs is most likely to hit another town player right now.

If Temasek is such a lock for a shot we should just lynch Temasek and let mafia decide if they want to murder town!squigs.

Given how Squigs has acted on day 5 I lean town over scum. I certainly want Squigs and Temasek to continue talking until the day ends naturally.

What the heck did Squigs do that makes him seem town? He didn’t do shit except say he was Vengeful.

[BunnyGo]

I think the best option after no lynch is lynch Squigs and have him shoot Temasek if he is actually Vengeful

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Why not just lynch Temasek?

If Squigs is Vengeful, mafia will kill him to make sure town doesn’t get a kill. So if he’s town we should trade in our town-directed kill while we can.

If he’s scum, we should lynch him.

There are muuuuuuch higher priority targets for scum. Chaq, you're making less and less sense as I read to catch up.

[summit_fever]

Squigs appears to have quit the game. He never answered my question and he hasn't posted in 13+ hours.

You may be right but voting end shows you don't care either way.

[BunnyGo]

I am VERY uncomfortable with the squigs wagon IF we don't manage to hammer it while Tem is on. If we got too close to EOD without a hammer, I suggest we strongly consider switching.

The worst case scenario here is not unlikely:

Tem is scum, squigs isn't, Tem jumps at last minute, squigs shoots blindly and kills another town. We have 2 "mislynches" in a day, and all we learn is Tem is scum (which we have strong confidence on already)

[Chaqa]

So we just need a few more hammer votes then?

[xorxes]

Squigs appears to have quit the game. He never answered my question and he hasn't posted in 13+ hours.

You may be right but voting end shows you don't care either way.

The purpose of voting end is that, in the unlikely case that Squigs is town and telling the truth, Tem can't jump out of the wagon at the last second and remove himself as a possibility for Squigs to shoot. It makes sense, given Squigs claim, for town to have some control over when the day ends.

[xorxes]

I am VERY uncomfortable with the squigs wagon IF we don't manage to hammer it while Tem is on. If we got too close to EOD without a hammer, I suggest we strongly consider switching.

The worst case scenario here is not unlikely:

Tem is scum, squigs isn't, Tem jumps at last minute, squigs shoots blindly and kills another town. We have 2 "mislynches" in a day, and all we learn is Tem is scum (which we have strong confidence on already)

You should be voting end then to make sure we don't get to that point.

[summit_fever]

Squigs appears to have quit the game. He never answered my question and he hasn't posted in 13+ hours.

You may be right but voting end shows you don't care either way.

The purpose of voting end is that, in the unlikely case that Squigs is town and telling the truth, Tem can't jump out of the wagon at the last second and remove himself as a possibility for Squigs to shoot. It makes sense, given Squigs claim, for town to have some control over when the day ends.

Do you think Squigs is more likely to be scum than Temasek?

[xorxes]

I am not going to be online much today, or be on at EOD.

I think we should stick with the plan and find out about Squigs, and, if he is town, let him take out Temasek.

@bozo, please vote end then since you are in agreement that lynching Squigs is the correct plan.

[xorxes]

You may be right but voting end shows you don't care either way.

The purpose of voting end is that, in the unlikely case that Squigs is town and telling the truth, Tem can't jump out of the wagon at the last second and remove himself as a possibility for Squigs to shoot. It makes sense, given Squigs claim, for town to have some control over when the day ends.

Do you think Squigs is more likely to be scum than Temasek?

I wouldn't know how to quantify it in order to make a comparison, but they both seem very likely scum. Tem based on his very unlikely claim, Squigs based on his attitude to the game.

[BunnyGo]

I’ll not be consistently on. ##end. @squigs. If this goes tits up, shoot Chaq, xorxes, or hold your shot.

[damo666]

So I dont know why you continue trying to push us to lynch squigs instead of Tem

If Squigs is telling the truth, Tem dies as well. Lynching Squigs is a win-win.

Win ? Win

[Vecna]

Were not going to kill 2 scum today. Everyone agrees on that.

Noone is actually thinking that Temasek is town here with that claim. If im wrong on that, please speak up.

Squigs is the perfect candidate to leave alive until lylo. He ever gets there, he is the autolynch. Then if were wrong and he flips town, it gives us a magical second shot at hitting scum, meaning any lylo situation with 1 scum remaining is a near GUARANTEED town win.

If Temasek flips scum lie detector, we have another near certain scumlynch tomorrow, namely Xorxes.

In the current gamestate, with the numbers we have left and hardly any scum deaths, we need as many mislynches as we can get our hands on. Even if theres only a 20% chance that squigs is town here (I think its higher), were not losing anything by not lynching him. BUT we might get ourselves an extra mislynch AND a much higher chance at winning in lylo.

Once again, Tem did not claim to "sacrefice himself to save a scumbuddy". That logic is super false. Him claiming because everyone was calling for squigs to explode on him is way more likely.

Lynching squigs here is an extremely sub-optimal play

[Vecna]

Everyone claiming that lynching town here to kill scum, while we can just lynch the scum, is either scum or playing this really poorly.

[summit_fever]

Everyone claiming that lynching town here to kill scum, while we can just lynch the scum, is either scum or playing this really poorly.

I agree. What do you think should temasek and Squigs not come back prior to end of day?

[Vecna]

It matters not. Theres plenty of scum on Squigs wagon if he is town with the role he claims.

If he is scum, he gets lynched.

If he is a suicide bomber, the lynch still lands on Tem

Does not take away that any way you turn it, we will get max 1 scum lynch.

We risk NOTHING by lynching Tem and not taking the risk of potentially also lynching town.

[foodcoats]

Squigs is scum.

When he claimed Vengeful he said that role is why he wasn't bothering to play.

Then he made bones about people voting him must be scum.

Xorxes has elucidated why lynching a very scummy vengeful claim is a great play.

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[BunnyGo]

Were not going to kill 2 scum today. Everyone agrees on that.

Noone is actually thinking that Temasek is town here with that claim. If im wrong on that, please speak up.

Squigs is the perfect candidate to leave alive until lylo. He ever gets there, he is the autolynch. Then if were wrong and he flips town, it gives us a magical second shot at hitting scum, meaning any lylo situation with 1 scum remaining is a near GUARANTEED town win.

If Temasek flips scum lie detector, we have another near certain scumlynch tomorrow, namely Xorxes.

In the current gamestate, with the numbers we have left and hardly any scum deaths, we need as many mislynches as we can get our hands on. Even if theres only a 20% chance that squigs is town here (I think its higher), were not losing anything by not lynching him. BUT we might get ourselves an extra mislynch AND a much higher chance at winning in lylo.

Once again, Tem did not claim to "sacrefice himself to save a scumbuddy". That logic is super false. Him claiming because everyone was calling for squigs to explode on him is way more likely.

Lynching squigs here is an extremely sub-optimal play

This makes a lot of sense. If I'm online with less than 90 minutes to EOD and we haven't hammered squigs, I'm moving to lynch Tem. I hope you all do too. Xorxes plan doesn't work if we can't hammer, and Vecna is talking sense here.