M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[damo666]

There was no reason for him to claim that if squigs is scum with him

He was legitimately afraid of being blown up _BY_ squigs

Probably, but we shouldn't auto clear Squigs though he's looking better.

[Vecna]

Now the real question is who on scum wouldve made up that idea for lie detector fakeclaim for tem to use

Because that pool is pretty damn limited.

And also signals inside information of what Xorxes and Jamiet are (because there really are only so many fake-claimable roles that Xorxes could have that couldve known about Rdrivera)

[damo666]

Now the real question is who on scum wouldve made up that idea for lie detector fakeclaim for tem to use

Because that pool is pretty damn limited.

And also signals inside information of what Xorxes and Jamiet are (because there really are only so many fake-claimable roles that Xorxes could have that couldve known about Rdrivera)

Who would think of something that easily breakable. Smacks of Tem panicking to me.

[damo666]

Bozo is being coy. But presumably Bozo scum implies Xorxes scum.

Might be worth a reread with bozo/Xorxes/Demon/Sarah-Tem in mind.

[Vecna]

im not sure Tem has the knowledge required to know of the online mafia role myth that is the lie detector

[BunnyGo]

How does everyone on his wagon protect against him if he is a Suicide Bomber, can they typically only kill from their wagon? I am more concerned Squigs could be a mafia Vengeful, the Suicide Bomber idea is just speculation.

Good evening, Bozo. You're missing the point so allow me to explain it.

Suicide Bomber is a role that can blow themselves up, during the Day. In doing so they die, and also kill a target of their choice. It's usually a Mafia role and generally cannot be protected against.

Chaqa's theory was that Scum Squigs could be fake-claiming Vengeful in an attempt to make himself a large lead wagon, but with some manipulation or luck hopefully making some poor townie the second-placed wagon.

With that arrangement coming to fruition, he would in theory wait until a few minutes before EoD, and then *BOOM*, he detonates himself, also kills his Town target, and not only that, suddenly the second-placed wagon is propelled into the lead, because all the votes on the Suicide Bomber would no longer be valid due to his death. Day would end before enough people had a chance to cast a new vote, and some poor Town schmuck gets lynched too. So the death of the Suicide Bomber eliminates not just one townie, but two.

Having everyone vote for Squigs is a mitigation against that event, because there isn't a second wagon that would be put into the lead by the suicide explosion.

If Squigs is scum suicide bomber then 1 minute before EOD his teammates switch to the same townsperson and then Squigs detonated. Your system fails.

and then we know the scum team?

[BunnyGo]

My role is town lie detector, someone who could take a statement from the thread every in-game day, send it to the GM, and see whether it's the truth from the player's perspective. Can see why my slot is being scumread but oh well.

Willing to take suggestions for what to do for this phase. Sarah didn't use the power for two days and the only thing I knew when stepping in was that Donny Dude was the tracker. I then proceed to misread the role so I thought rdr was town.

This must be a fakeclaim, no? Or the scum information gathering role?

This role is way too powerful to exist for town in any meaningful game. It is by definition a way stronger cop since it can create ABSOLUTE innocents or guilties that cannot be fucked with in any way. Get people to state their alignment, check it, boom. And thats the absolute worst possible use you could come up with.

If you get people to make certain statements, it can even clear or guilty multiple people at once

##vote Temasek

I'm kinda with you there. Even if it turns up that Temasek says "squigs is lying"or "squigs is telling truth" and is correct, it's still more likely Temasek is scum.

Now that I stop and think...this is the PERFECT fake claim for scum. Of course someone like Xorxes will suggest using it as a cop scan, and scum can do that.

[BunnyGo]

Even though none of those slots have done anything really worthy of townreads. Bunny also feels a bit calmer and more collected than normal, but that could very well be a product of replacing in at a late stage.

I'm still learning too...every game I learn a bit. I try a bit differently, and get a bit better at listening and thinking and communicating with this community.

yikes. Town bunny is way more confident than this in his own ability

After last game, Bunny got a brushback pitch trying hard. Got me lynched day 1 as a PR.

[damo666]

Good evening, Bozo. You're missing the point so allow me to explain it.

Suicide Bomber is a role that can blow themselves up, during the Day. In doing so they die, and also kill a target of their choice. It's usually a Mafia role and generally cannot be protected against.

Chaqa's theory was that Scum Squigs could be fake-claiming Vengeful in an attempt to make himself a large lead wagon, but with some manipulation or luck hopefully making some poor townie the second-placed wagon.

With that arrangement coming to fruition, he would in theory wait until a few minutes before EoD, and then *BOOM*, he detonates himself, also kills his Town target, and not only that, suddenly the second-placed wagon is propelled into the lead, because all the votes on the Suicide Bomber would no longer be valid due to his death. Day would end before enough people had a chance to cast a new vote, and some poor Town schmuck gets lynched too. So the death of the Suicide Bomber eliminates not just one townie, but two.

Having everyone vote for Squigs is a mitigation against that event, because there isn't a second wagon that would be put into the lead by the suicide explosion.

If Squigs is scum suicide bomber then 1 minute before EOD his teammates switch to the same townsperson and then Squigs detonated. Your system fails.

and then we know the scum team?

you've foiled my pathetic little ruse!

[BunnyGo]

If Squigs is scum suicide bomber then 1 minute before EOD his teammates switch to the same townsperson and then Squigs detonated. Your system fails.

and then we know the scum team?

you've foiled my pathetic little ruse!

I'm very confused. You seem to be saying ALL of us on the suicide bomber would die. Other people said it would be just one of us on the suicide bomber.

[summit_fever]

##vote temasek

Chaqa is there any reason in particular that you thought Squigs could be a suicided bomber or was it just a gut reaction?

[damo666]

and then we know the scum team?

you've foiled my pathetic little ruse!

I'm very confused. You seem to be saying ALL of us on the suicide bomber would die. Other people said it would be just one of us on the suicide bomber.

Now i'm confused! I was giving scum a way out of the all vote Squigs situation such that thet had an assured 2nd wagon kill but thereby outing themselves. Anyway redundant now.

[summit_fever]

you've foiled my pathetic little ruse!

I'm very confused. You seem to be saying ALL of us on the suicide bomber would die. Other people said it would be just one of us on the suicide bomber.

Now i'm confused! I was giving scum a way out of the all vote Squigs situation such that thet had an assured 2nd wagon kill but thereby outing themselves. Anyway redundant now.

Does somebody other than Chaqa see how Squigs being a suicide bomber makes sense given their claim of being vengeful. Is town vengeful a common fakeclaim for a suicide bomber?

[Vecna]

If Squigs is scum suicide bomber then 1 minute before EOD his teammates switch to the same townsperson and then Squigs detonated. Your system fails.

and then we know the scum team?

you've foiled my pathetic little ruse!

post does not read genuinely. Scum would never do that. Damo would never expect them to do that.

Cover for a post not well thought through?

[foodcoats]

##vote temasek

Chaqa is there any reason in particular that you thought Squigs could be a suicided bomber or was it just a gut reaction?

Not to answer for Chaqa but all the speculation about that role began because it seemed Nephthys wanted to be lynched and was goading people into lynching him. So it was speculated Neph was a SB. And in theory I guess it has archetypal similarity to Vengeful, so it seems to "map" in that sense.

[Vecna]

This just gave me something to think about as well.

The mod specifically designed the neighbour in such a way that it would not get fucked with by the lightning rod/jailkeeper combo

It was specifically designed in such a way that skillful use would start utilizing the information gained from it starting N1 already.

[Vecna]

While at the same time my role was designed in such way that it DID get "screwed over" by the lightning rod.

Also to screw over town with the given of how many visiting roles we have compared to scum. Also to apparently end up being recruited by the 3p if ever visited by it.

[BunnyGo]

you've foiled my pathetic little ruse!

I'm very confused. You seem to be saying ALL of us on the suicide bomber would die. Other people said it would be just one of us on the suicide bomber.

Now i'm confused! I was giving scum a way out of the all vote Squigs situation such that thet had an assured 2nd wagon kill but thereby outing themselves. Anyway redundant now.

I want to respond and ask for clarity. But I'm just going to walk away...

[foodcoats]

Temasek's role is at least theoretically possible. The wiki suggests that the GM could answer, "I don't know" to complex, non-objectively-verifiable questions. But I take the point that it would allow for a mass claim situation that could procedurally solve the game, and is therefore not likely to have been included.

I think the fact that damo, Vecna and BunnyGo are all trying to turn this into suspicion against bozo and xorxes is ridiculous. It smacks of scum theatre to me.

Bozo is being coy. But presumably Bozo scum implies Xorxes scum.

Might be worth a reread with bozo/Xorxes/Demon/Sarah-Tem in mind.

im not sure Tem has the knowledge required to know of the online mafia role myth that is the lie detector

My role is town lie detector, someone who could take a statement from the thread every in-game day, send it to the GM, and see whether it's the truth from the player's perspective. Can see why my slot is being scumread but oh well.

Willing to take suggestions for what to do for this phase. Sarah didn't use the power for two days and the only thing I knew when stepping in was that Donny Dude was the tracker. I then proceed to misread the role so I thought rdr was town.

This must be a fakeclaim, no? Or the scum information gathering role?

This role is way too powerful to exist for town in any meaningful game. It is by definition a way stronger cop since it can create ABSOLUTE innocents or guilties that cannot be fucked with in any way. Get people to state their alignment, check it, boom. And thats the absolute worst possible use you could come up with.

If you get people to make certain statements, it can even clear or guilty multiple people at once

##vote Temasek

I'm kinda with you there. Even if it turns up that Temasek says "squigs is lying"or "squigs is telling truth" and is correct, it's still more likely Temasek is scum.

Now that I stop and think...this is the PERFECT fake claim for scum. Of course someone like Xorxes will suggest using it as a cop scan, and scum can do that.

Considering that so far, it seems to be consensus that this role would be gamebreaking, I think it's patently obvious that scum!xorxes would not endorse such a harebrained plan.

We need to be a little cautious here. As I said before, I honestly think the game is quite narrow now and is close to being solved, and scum are going to be trying to bus or sow confusion in order to push through. I do think that Tem is scum because we already have two investigatives who can more or less directly ID scum, even if there are a few caveats. But it's extra suspicious to me that the three people most interested in commenting on Tem's claim are three people who are very possibly scum, and they are trying to lead the thought process onto some of our towniest players.

[foodcoats]

In the midst of this confusion... I think keeping the Squigs wagon, and ensuring there is no secondary wagon, is actually probably still a good strategy.

Squiggs seemed really scummy before this wagon, and now there is some bananas stuff going on. Best to trust our "yesterday selves" I think.