M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[Nephthys]

Also tomorrow, we are massclaiming

I don't give a shit if your role "might" be useful later. It is unlikely to be stronger than what we already have.

People being hella shifty isn't helping us move forwards

should probably mass claim now tbh

If we're lynching squigs I don't see the need given that othres have asked for another day.

[Chaqa]

Why?

I already explained the reasons a few pages aho

I saw your post on page 356, that one?

What are you proposing we do with Squigs? Lynch him tomorrow?

It doesn’t have to be Squigs necessarily. We can let our PRs get more info and maybe we find a guilty scan or something. Squigs’ value only goes up if he’s town

[BunnyGo]

Foodcoats, talk me through lynching damo who was just scanned inno? If you think damo is town oracle, then answer me this: why wouldn't damo have claimed his role yet? Its certainly optimal for town to know about an oracle earlier rather than later.

Since Temasek is off wagon right now, I've got Bunny as my current target.

Please no. I will vote Temasek before letting that happen.

[BunnyGo]

Foodcoats, talk me through lynching damo who was just scanned inno? If you think damo is town oracle, then answer me this: why wouldn't damo have claimed his role yet? Its certainly optimal for town to know about an oracle earlier rather than later.

Since Temasek is off wagon right now, I've got Bunny as my current target.

I think damo is softing oracle and is lying and was either lawyered or GFd. That's why I was pressuring for a claim.

What is an Oracle?

[Chaqa]

Foodcoats, talk me through lynching damo who was just scanned inno? If you think damo is town oracle, then answer me this: why wouldn't damo have claimed his role yet? Its certainly optimal for town to know about an oracle earlier rather than later.

Since Temasek is off wagon right now, I've got Bunny as my current target.

I think damo is softing oracle and is lying and was either lawyered or GFd. That's why I was pressuring for a claim.

What is an Oracle?

When oracle dies, they reveal someone’s role

[xorxes]

Foodcoats, talk me through lynching damo who was just scanned inno? If you think damo is town oracle, then answer me this: why wouldn't damo have claimed his role yet? Its certainly optimal for town to know about an oracle earlier rather than later.

Since Temasek is off wagon right now, I've got Bunny as my current target.

I think damo is softing oracle and is lying and was either lawyered or GFd. That's why I was pressuring for a claim.

What is an Oracle?

It's a role that makes the GM reveal someone's role when they die. For example, if he is targeting you, and he is lynched, then when he dies worcej announces to everyone what you are.

I don't believe damo's hints are very compatible with that role though.

[worcej]

GM Note:
This game is officially the most posts in a mafia game to date for webdiplo. Well done everyone :D

[Vecna]

Is there a role that redirects the executor of the action rather than the target? So "force brain to target Vecna" instead of "redirect anyone who targets summit onto Vecna"?

That’s what a redirector does. They change the target of the action.

A role that does the second one you’re saying is called a deflector

I was not aware of the details of the redirector role, I thought the alternative to a driver that was suggested was deflector. Redirector does make sense, in which case I do not agree with Vecna saying it was a weak use of the role, as the mafia did not know who brainbomb was protecting, so they were trying to ensure their NK of emc or flash, if that is the role or ability they have.

My point was that if I was scum, it couldve been used as a vig shot

[Vecna]

Ok I got answers to a bunch of questions from the GM.

Apparently my role also made me kill immune on the nights it was used, so if Rdrivera wouldve targetted me id now be 3p.

More importantly however, converted scum STAY in the scum QT. so if Rd did manage to convert scum at some point (seems unlikely?) they could be coordinating shit

And I just made sure to doublecheck whether neph was telling the truth on how his jailkeep interacts with INQ, and he was

[xorxes]

Towny
-----
Food
Jamie
Chaqa
Rdr
Emc
Damo


Nullish
-----
Kgray
Brain
Marche
Dargo (Bunny)
Sarah (Tem)
Summit
Xorx

Scumy
-----
Neph
Vecna
Flash
Fox (Squigs)
Bozo

town/non-mafia
me
my townreads
others

So if Demon was spreading his teammates around and my reads are accurate, the remaining mafia would seem to be (Squigs|Vecna), (Tem|Bunny), (food|damo).

It's possible he didn't list any teammate as towny, but it's hard to believe he would not list at least one teammate as scummy. So this makes me want Squigs to shoot Vecna if he is town.

[damo666]

Also tomorrow, we are massclaiming

I don't give a shit if your role "might" be useful later. It is unlikely to be stronger than what we already have.

People being hella shifty isn't helping us move forwards

OK

[Vecna]

Again I pull this up

@Summit
@Xorx
@Chaqa

Please read this and give me any indication that Vecna is likely to be town here and that both bozo and summit are not town. I'm walking down this tunnel and if its stupid and yall don't pull me out soon then...

I know this wasn't @me, but can you explain? I don't see it.

Please, I only @ people cause no one has responded the last two times I've pulled it up.

RHK is conf scum.

This post to me is him saying "I will outlive Vecna, he is going to die, how can I make the most out of this?" So what does he do, he makes connections to Vecna with townies.

Vecna flips scum (shock)

RHK goes, "Look what I posted earlier, bozo or summit should be the next lynch"

It's something that I've seen scum employ many times and something that I've done as scum

Or its just scum, you know, giving reads?

Im town, and I think people are having reasons that im unaware of to semi townclear bozo, so it was bullshit without meaning.

but keep on crusading little crusader

pat-pat

[Vecna]

Also yeah we shouldn’t shoot Vecna lol, Squigs should shoot Tem unless his claim makes sense.

@xorx: arent Tem and Bozo the only ones possibly responsible for chipotle code?

You can only request this if you find a way to help me salvage my slot mister.

You should be very capable to see whatll happen to me on later days otherwise, and people are not going to look at logic when they can just look at me tunneling wrongly on town.

I mean providing a read list like I asked ~10 pages ago would be nice.

Doing something other than tinfoil?

As soon as I state reasons for scumreading anyone in the QT people all keep calling it tinfoil anyway, so whatever

[xorxes]

I was not aware of the details of the redirector role, I thought the alternative to a driver that was suggested was deflector. Redirector does make sense, in which case I do not agree with Vecna saying it was a weak use of the role, as the mafia did not know who brainbomb was protecting, so they were trying to ensure their NK of emc or flash, if that is the role or ability they have.

My point was that if I was scum, it couldve been used as a vig shot

How? Unless you know someone with a gun, how could it be used as a vig shot?

[BunnyGo]

With the suicide bomber thing being a possibility, should we not make sure our secondary wagon is not "no lynch?"

##VOTE Temasek

I'll move back if everyone thinks that's best but I think having two possible wagons is a good thing... and both should be lynch targets. I do not get no lynching... and also xorxes and Summit should be on Tem not Squigs.

##VOTE TEMASEK. I’ll move back if Temasek votes there. But AFAIC he’s scum for not participating.

[BunnyGo]

Again I pull this up

@Summit
@Xorx
@Chaqa

Please read this and give me any indication that Vecna is likely to be town here and that both bozo and summit are not town. I'm walking down this tunnel and if its stupid and yall don't pull me out soon then...

I know this wasn't @me, but can you explain? I don't see it.

Please, I only @ people cause no one has responded the last two times I've pulled it up.

RHK is conf scum.

This post to me is him saying "I will outlive Vecna, he is going to die, how can I make the most out of this?" So what does he do, he makes connections to Vecna with townies.

Vecna flips scum (shock)

RHK goes, "Look what I posted earlier, bozo or summit should be the next lynch"

It's something that I've seen scum employ many times and something that I've done as scum

Ah. That makes a lot more sense in context.

[Vecna]

I am going to repeat myself for the benefit of those with short attention spans.

The best plan today is for everyone to vote for Squigs, whether you believe his claim or not. Here's the logic:

If he is telling the truth:

1. We should lynch him, because his power is only activated upon his lynch, and:
2. Everyone must be on his wagon, so that he can use his shot effectively.

If he is lying:

1. Then he is scum and should be lynched anyway, but:
2. Everyone must be on his wagon, to insure against the possibility he is a Suicide Bomber.

If you are not voting for Squigs the only reasonable conclusion is that you want to ensure that if he is Vengeful, you are safe from his shot. That is scum-indicative thinking.

Im pretty sure that if he's scum he's not actually the role he is claiming. That feels like too low of a power level for this type of setup.

Its a pretty good fakeclaim though, because it cannot be verified unless you die regardless. Pretty good fakeclaim that is, until people start coming up with this plan.

[BunnyGo]

I was going to ask that.

Why must Neph be scum, if you are, Foodcoat?

So that I would know I would be jailed, and not investigateable. If I was scum and Neph was town, LRing would call ALL active investigations onto me. On N1. Lol.

This is actually a rather decent post. If there is no mafia RB then scum!food activating the LR would be rather risky

hmm.

Unless there is scum lawyer OR food is godfather. Which, actually, is almost necessary for a scum!LR

[Jamiet99uk]

I am going to repeat myself for the benefit of those with short attention spans.

The best plan today is for everyone to vote for Squigs, whether you believe his claim or not. Here's the logic:

If he is telling the truth:

1. We should lynch him, because his power is only activated upon his lynch, and:
2. Everyone must be on his wagon, so that he can use his shot effectively.

If he is lying:

1. Then he is scum and should be lynched anyway, but:
2. Everyone must be on his wagon, to insure against the possibility he is a Suicide Bomber.

If you are not voting for Squigs the only reasonable conclusion is that you want to ensure that if he is Vengeful, you are safe from his shot. That is scum-indicative thinking.

Im pretty sure that if he's scum he's not actually the role he is claiming. That feels like too low of a power level for this type of setup.

Its a pretty good fakeclaim though, because it cannot be verified unless you die regardless. Pretty good fakeclaim that is, until people start coming up with this plan.

Yes. My plan is sound. I know. Thank you.

Why are you voting No-Lynch then?

[BunnyGo]

I am going to repeat myself for the benefit of those with short attention spans.

The best plan today is for everyone to vote for Squigs, whether you believe his claim or not. Here's the logic:

If he is telling the truth:

1. We should lynch him, because his power is only activated upon his lynch, and:
2. Everyone must be on his wagon, so that he can use his shot effectively.

If he is lying:

1. Then he is scum and should be lynched anyway, but:
2. Everyone must be on his wagon, to insure against the possibility he is a Suicide Bomber.

If you are not voting for Squigs the only reasonable conclusion is that you want to ensure that if he is Vengeful, you are safe from his shot. That is scum-indicative thinking.

I agree with this. BUT when this many other people jump, I want to vote them until they come back.