M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[Squigs44]

What concerns me the most is the number of posts that just assume I'm town and yet they are still voting me. I don't know if yall are just doing it for the sake of covering bases or not, but if you actually think Im town, lynching someone else who you think is scum instead of me is certainly optimal.

No lynch is never optimal here Chaqa.

[Squigs44]

Foodcoats, talk me through lynching damo who was just scanned inno? If you think damo is town oracle, then answer me this: why wouldn't damo have claimed his role yet? Its certainly optimal for town to know about an oracle earlier rather than later.

Since Temasek is off wagon right now, I've got Bunny as my current target.

[bozotheclown]

What concerns me the most is the number of posts that just assume I'm town and yet they are still voting me. I don't know if yall are just doing it for the sake of covering bases or not, but if you actually think Im town, lynching someone else who you think is scum instead of me is certainly optimal.

No lynch is never optimal here Chaqa.

I don't think anyone is assuming you are town, but if you are, at least we can resolve you and Temasek today, assuming Temasek shows up.

[Squigs44]

that should say talk me through using vengeful on damo

[bozotheclown]

Ill tell you this though: since its semi-confirmed the scum had a redirector, and my role is confirmed as well, the fact you guys dont treat me as a townclear for mechanical reasons is baffling.

If I was scum with that redirecting role: Why not redirect people to target me while I was using that ability? An extra kill that couldnt be stopped by anything? Sounds pretty usefull.

If scum indeed have a way to mess with the cop results, why use the redirector in such a weak way just to point brainbomb in the other direction? (Hint: its because they believed I was bluffing and they wanted me to kill brainbomb). If I was scum with a redirector, itd have been a lot better to redirect summit to me instead and create a fake townclear.

summit was redirect to you, or driven with you.

This isn't the first time Vecna has indicated he thought it was brainbomb instead of summit who was redirected, I am not sure if this is a real town slip or a fake town slip that Vecna wanted to make sure someone noticed.

[xorxes]

What concerns me the most is the number of posts that just assume I'm town and yet they are still voting me. I don't know if yall are just doing it for the sake of covering bases or not, but if you actually think Im town, lynching someone else who you think is scum instead of me is certainly optimal.

No lynch is never optimal here Chaqa.

You are my top scumread. But since I can't be 100% sure, and if you are town you must be Vengeful with a kill on someone on your wagon, then obviously we must prepare for that.

[xorxes]

Ill tell you this though: since its semi-confirmed the scum had a redirector, and my role is confirmed as well, the fact you guys dont treat me as a townclear for mechanical reasons is baffling.

If I was scum with that redirecting role: Why not redirect people to target me while I was using that ability? An extra kill that couldnt be stopped by anything? Sounds pretty usefull.

If scum indeed have a way to mess with the cop results, why use the redirector in such a weak way just to point brainbomb in the other direction? (Hint: its because they believed I was bluffing and they wanted me to kill brainbomb). If I was scum with a redirector, itd have been a lot better to redirect summit to me instead and create a fake townclear.

summit was redirect to you, or driven with you.

This isn't the first time Vecna has indicated he thought it was brainbomb instead of summit who was redirected, I am not sure if this is a real town slip or a fake town slip that Vecna wanted to make sure someone noticed.

Is there a role that redirects the executor of the action rather than the target? So "force brain to target Vecna" instead of "redirect anyone who targets summit onto Vecna"?

[foodcoats]

Foodcoats, talk me through lynching damo who was just scanned inno? If you think damo is town oracle, then answer me this: why wouldn't damo have claimed his role yet? Its certainly optimal for town to know about an oracle earlier rather than later.

Since Temasek is off wagon right now, I've got Bunny as my current target.

I think damo is softing oracle and is lying and was either lawyered or GFd. That's why I was pressuring for a claim.

[Chaqa]

summit was redirect to you, or driven with you.

This isn't the first time Vecna has indicated he thought it was brainbomb instead of summit who was redirected, I am not sure if this is a real town slip or a fake town slip that Vecna wanted to make sure someone noticed.

Is there a role that redirects the executor of the action rather than the target? So "force brain to target Vecna" instead of "redirect anyone who targets summit onto Vecna"?

That’s what a redirector does. They change the target of the action.

A role that does the second one you’re saying is called a deflector

[Chaqa]

Foodcoats, talk me through lynching damo who was just scanned inno? If you think damo is town oracle, then answer me this: why wouldn't damo have claimed his role yet? Its certainly optimal for town to know about an oracle earlier rather than later.

Since Temasek is off wagon right now, I've got Bunny as my current target.

I think damo is softing oracle and is lying and was either lawyered or GFd. That's why I was pressuring for a claim.

This seemed obvious to me as well

[foodcoats]

Like in a setup with a pure cop and no scum RB... they've gotta have some toys. And damo is sooooo scummy and the claim makes no sense to me otherwise

[bozotheclown]

summit was redirect to you, or driven with you.

This isn't the first time Vecna has indicated he thought it was brainbomb instead of summit who was redirected, I am not sure if this is a real town slip or a fake town slip that Vecna wanted to make sure someone noticed.

Is there a role that redirects the executor of the action rather than the target? So "force brain to target Vecna" instead of "redirect anyone who targets summit onto Vecna"?

From mafia universe, this sounds like Redirector: "The Redirector may each night target one player and redirect their night action(s), if they have any, to a specific secondary target instead of that person's original target."

So this sounds like what Vecna assumed happened, which does make more sense than summit being deflected or driven.

[xorxes]

This isn't the first time Vecna has indicated he thought it was brainbomb instead of summit who was redirected, I am not sure if this is a real town slip or a fake town slip that Vecna wanted to make sure someone noticed.

Is there a role that redirects the executor of the action rather than the target? So "force brain to target Vecna" instead of "redirect anyone who targets summit onto Vecna"?

That’s what a redirector does. They change the target of the action.

A role that does the second one you’re saying is called a deflector

I see, that makes sense. Miscommunication then, because all the time people were talking about Redirector I was thinking Deflector.

[bozotheclown]

This isn't the first time Vecna has indicated he thought it was brainbomb instead of summit who was redirected, I am not sure if this is a real town slip or a fake town slip that Vecna wanted to make sure someone noticed.

Is there a role that redirects the executor of the action rather than the target? So "force brain to target Vecna" instead of "redirect anyone who targets summit onto Vecna"?

That’s what a redirector does. They change the target of the action.

A role that does the second one you’re saying is called a deflector

I was not aware of the details of the redirector role, I thought the alternative to a driver that was suggested was deflector. Redirector does make sense, in which case I do not agree with Vecna saying it was a weak use of the role, as the mafia did not know who brainbomb was protecting, so they were trying to ensure their NK of emc or flash, if that is the role or ability they have.

[xorxes]

Is there a role that redirects the executor of the action rather than the target? So "force brain to target Vecna" instead of "redirect anyone who targets summit onto Vecna"?

That’s what a redirector does. They change the target of the action.

A role that does the second one you’re saying is called a deflector

I was not aware of the details of the redirector role, I thought the alternative to a driver that was suggested was deflector. Redirector does make sense, in which case I do not agree with Vecna saying it was a weak use of the role, as the mafia did not know who brainbomb was protecting, so they were trying to ensure their NK of emc or flash, if that is the role or ability they have.

If rivera targeted one of them, I think it would be flash, who was more likely to be protected than emc. So Mafia then targeted emc.

[bozotheclown]

Ill tell you this though: since its semi-confirmed the scum had a redirector, and my role is confirmed as well, the fact you guys dont treat me as a townclear for mechanical reasons is baffling.

If I was scum with that redirecting role: Why not redirect people to target me while I was using that ability? An extra kill that couldnt be stopped by anything? Sounds pretty usefull.

If scum indeed have a way to mess with the cop results, why use the redirector in such a weak way just to point brainbomb in the other direction? (Hint: its because they believed I was bluffing and they wanted me to kill brainbomb). If I was scum with a redirector, itd have been a lot better to redirect summit to me instead and create a fake townclear.

Sorry for the mistake, but if the mafia redirected the cop to you and you scanned innocent, we would be very suspicious of a lawyer.

[foodcoats]

Also I don't think scum have actual fake role claims, otherwise RHK was told by worcej to counter claim as a fake claim basically? And that would explain why we have 4 people - damo bunny bozo tem - being all shifty about their roles, because they're trying to carefully maneuver and not claim something that will clash with an unclaimed townie.

[xorxes]

That’s what a redirector does. They change the target of the action.

A role that does the second one you’re saying is called a deflector

I was not aware of the details of the redirector role, I thought the alternative to a driver that was suggested was deflector. Redirector does make sense, in which case I do not agree with Vecna saying it was a weak use of the role, as the mafia did not know who brainbomb was protecting, so they were trying to ensure their NK of emc or flash, if that is the role or ability they have.

If rivera targeted one of them, I think it would be flash, who was more likely to be protected than emc. So Mafia then targeted emc.

And neither of them would want to target summit because flash might be watching.

[foodcoats]

Summit, when you scan, does it specifically tell you in the result who your scan landed on? Would you know if you were redirected / driven or whatever?

[bozotheclown]

I was not aware of the details of the redirector role, I thought the alternative to a driver that was suggested was deflector. Redirector does make sense, in which case I do not agree with Vecna saying it was a weak use of the role, as the mafia did not know who brainbomb was protecting, so they were trying to ensure their NK of emc or flash, if that is the role or ability they have.

If rivera targeted one of them, I think it would be flash, who was more likely to be protected than emc. So Mafia then targeted emc.

And neither of them would want to target summit because flash might be watching.

True, but if the mafia were redirecting summit, you would think they would want to get rid of the watcher first. Maybe the mafia did have a gun and targeted both, in which rdrivera could have duplicated the flash kill.