M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[foodcoats]

Game seems pretty dead. I don't think lynching Squigs is the worst thing, but I really feel like this is one of the few situations where no-lynch would actually be preferable. My thoughts:

We have two roles that are info-gathering. Summit and Xorxes can attempt to get info on Bunny, Temasek, Squigs, and Vecna (some grouping of them). With a bit of luck, we'll have some definitive information.

Neph can jail one of Temasek and Bunny (and maybe Foodcoats as an option). This could prevent the mafia night-kill. Jamiet can use his protective ability to possibly block the kill.

There's at least one or two other roles out there that can be used tonight, I'm sure. Bunny says his power is good, so I'd recommend he isn't the jail target but a scan target.

If the mafia makes a kill, it will likely be xorxes or summit. This isn't amazing for us, BUT it does eliminate the concerns about one of them being deep-cover scum.

Best-case today if we lynch is Squigs is scum.
Medium cases are he is town and he shoots scum, or he is scum and suicides into a town member causing a no lynch.
Worst-case is he is town and shoots a town.

So, if we lynch, we can be anyway from -3T to -1S, -1T tomorrow. But on average we're -2.5T, -0.5S (assuming NK and Squigs is truthful).

If we no-lynch, at worst we're -1T, but sometimes we're -0T. Hell, if someone has some shenanigans to pull, we could even be -1T, -1S.

I just honestly think it's a better plan than lynching Squigs.

##Vote No Lynch

#ComeAtMe

You are making this waaaaaaay more complicated than it needs to be. We have really good POE in my opinion.

The other thing is, with how weird you are about people claiming, I still have this fear about you having a 3P wincon. Like, what if you win by adding certain roles or role types to your hood?

So we need to win sooner if we can. And i really think we've got great odds for today's lynch.

[foodcoats]

It is triggered by outsider action. That is why it is undisclosable.

Being scanned by summit didn’t count?

No. It is player triggered but not by using their ability/power.

Does this mean damo is also claiming vengeful?

[foodcoats]

Serious question time. I want an answer from everyone as soon as they see this post.

Did you read the post I made about me jailing myself? I mean read it. Not just acknowledge it was my logic and move on. I mean read what I wrote and why I wrote it.

Vecna -
Chaqa -
Tem -
Squigs -
Damo -
Bunny -
Jamie -
Xorx -
Summit -
Bozo -
Food -

Yis

[foodcoats]

In addition, if we can make it so that the only votes are Squigs votes, even if that's before everyone has voted, then we should start voting end, to make it harder for Suicide Bomber Squigs to trigger at the last moment.

Nice.

This guy.

Why aren't you voting, Foodcoats?

Something you're afraid of?

As mentioned above I have been busy, and I like to read everything before voting.

[foodcoats]

I think we could easily have two wagons here, both Squigs and Temasek are very likely scum, and if Squigs is suibomber then we want to still get a lynch off. Also having two wagons forces scum to play and give reads and bus and such

But I'll run the game plan.

##VOTE Squigs

[Jamiet99uk]

Thank you foodstuffs.

I wonder what has happened to Temasek?

[Vecna]

Anyways neph, you should stop trying to outguess scum

And I read your post. im sure another scary trapcard is coming

Why?

Outguessing scum is pretty core to this game. Moreso when complicated mechanics are involved

Youre trying to read into stuff scum said and are meshing it with your own bias to make sense of a situation. Youre drawing the wrong conclusions and getting more locked in to your wrong assumption.

I mean, people told me plenty of times i was wrong on brainbomb, and once you get a certain idea in your head its hard to come out so....

[xorxes]

Serious question time. I want an answer from everyone as soon as they see this post.

Did you read the post I made about me jailing myself? I mean read it. Not just acknowledge it was my logic and move on. I mean read what I wrote and why I wrote it.

Vecna -
Chaqa -
Tem -
Squigs -
Damo -
Bunny -
Jamie -
Xorx -
Summit -
Bozo -
Food -

I'm going to take part in this experiment as I'm catching up. I did read it, but I don't think I thought too much about it or noticed anything special other than it seemed like a weird choice.

[xorxes]

snip

TL;DR - bozo and Vecna don't look good, and if one is scum I believe the other might be. In addition, a scum Vecna should set of warning bells on Summit.

Can anyone explain to me how Vecna and bozo can both be town here, it seems massively unlikely

Again I pull this up

@Summit
@Xorx
@Chaqa

Please read this and give me any indication that Vecna is likely to be town here and that both bozo and summit are not town. I'm walking down this tunnel and if its stupid and yall don't pull me out soon then...

I do think Vecna is scum. That post in particular is not why, but I've been thinking this since Vecna's catch up walls of EOD2 that ended in him voting for Bismarck over emc.

[xorxes]

It is better and worse than alignment cop. There are weaknesses, such that I have been effectively VT so far this game. But if I ever manage circumstances where I get it off, then I have some useful skills on par with alignment cop.

If you think I should claim more, I will. But I am likely to be a target for RB (if they have a RB--do we know one way or the other yet?) or killed. I think summit is probably a higher priority kill though (and our protectors too). So maybe I should claim?

I have gotten off my ability without encumbrance so scum is struggling to block roles imo.

How confident are we that Nephthys is truly town jailor, given the scum team's weakness with no RB?

... but if he was scum I don't know why they wouldn't jail brain and kill summit...

Jailing brain would have outed him immediately, wouldn't it?

[damo666]

@Neph

can I comment after reread? [of your suigaolpost]

[xorxes]

Theory, What is Bunny was the bus driver?

How would this play out with me jailing him?

Your town role block action goes ahead of any non-town action. If I were bus driver AND non-town, then I wouldn't do anything.

However, I am non of those things.

I am willing to claim, but I'll actually defer to Xorxes here. I think I've described my role well so far. I've been nothing but VT so far (thank you, Neph and foodc), but may be quite useful tomorrow.

I am not going to force you to claim nor advice you not to claim, because I don't know what your role is. You judge what's best, and then you will have to defend whatever your decision is once you claim.

[xorxes]

Theory

Food is scum JOAT

Bismarck had 6 items so I guess food would have to have one. So far there have been events that have been one-offs each night. Seems weird to say the least.

N1- lightning rod
N2 - ?Strongman
N3 - Killing action
N4 - ???

It's not perfect by any means but The differences is flavour as possibly indicative.

I don't know if the flavor of N4 was worcej chastizing us for reading too much into the flavor of N2, or what it was, so I have been left more confused now, and I'm not so sure that the N2 kill had to be rivera or that the two kills of N3 had to be from mafia.

[xorxes]

Just joined? I've put a LOT into this. I wasn't even supposed to be here because I'm busy. But I finished a project at work, so I'm in. And I'm hunting. And it's frustrating when half my supposed teammates are hiding intel from me and the rest of the town. So we're just twiddling our thumbs wondering what it is they know and how we move forwards, and if they are correctly interpreting and sharing information.

The only additional information we share is my exact role and Jamie's. Other than that we know as much or as little as everybody else.

We can also read each other a little bit better perhaps because of how we have interacted there, but that's about it. All you are missing are pages and pages of emc saying "Chipotle".

[xorxes]

@Vecna

Worcej has responded.

As no-one who is playing any attention is surprised about, Rd couldn't convert people I RB. I am a role0blocking action and thats the explicit caveat.

That reduces considerably the number of converts rivera may have acquired. There is at least one likely from N2 though.

[xorxes]

Game seems pretty dead. I don't think lynching Squigs is the worst thing, but I really feel like this is one of the few situations where no-lynch would actually be preferable. My thoughts:

We have two roles that are info-gathering. Summit and Xorxes can attempt to get info on Bunny, Temasek, Squigs, and Vecna (some grouping of them). With a bit of luck, we'll have some definitive information.

Neph can jail one of Temasek and Bunny (and maybe Foodcoats as an option). This could prevent the mafia night-kill. Jamiet can use his protective ability to possibly block the kill.

There's at least one or two other roles out there that can be used tonight, I'm sure. Bunny says his power is good, so I'd recommend he isn't the jail target but a scan target.

If the mafia makes a kill, it will likely be xorxes or summit. This isn't amazing for us, BUT it does eliminate the concerns about one of them being deep-cover scum.

Best-case today if we lynch is Squigs is scum.
Medium cases are he is town and he shoots scum, or he is scum and suicides into a town member causing a no lynch.
Worst-case is he is town and shoots a town.

So, if we lynch, we can be anyway from -3T to -1S, -1T tomorrow. But on average we're -2.5T, -0.5S (assuming NK and Squigs is truthful).

If we no-lynch, at worst we're -1T, but sometimes we're -0T. Hell, if someone has some shenanigans to pull, we could even be -1T, -1S.

I just honestly think it's a better plan than lynching Squigs.

##Vote No Lynch

#ComeAtMe

If we decide that lynching Squigs is a bad idea because of potentially killing two townies, then we lynch someone else. I have no idea why you would think no-lynch is a good idea. That's almost never a good idea. Nothing Squigs has said or done suggests that he is town though.

[xorxes]

Bunny does have some excellent points though about the lack of results from Jamie.

Further still it intrigues me that we have a town doc, a town jailer AND whatever jamie is.

This setup seems pretty townsided

Id say all of that actually made the setup pretty 3P sided.

I still have the feeling that scum couldve tried to strongman Rdrivera, but why on earth would they be shooting him at any point in the game.

Do you know what would have happened if rivera had targeted you? Would you be dead, or does your role explicitly say that you can't be killed when you were using your charges?

[xorxes]

At least 2 from Xorxes Neph Squigs Tem (?) Bozo

and

a wrongly assumed town role Vecna/Food/emc

Something like that anyway.

But tbh I'm very confused.

My role thus far has been useless but should change. More than this I decline to say.

Also this makes me want to make damo claim.

Damo is probably godfather or wherever it is that scans innocent and is going to claim inno child.

Claiming inno child is the last thing scum would ever do.

[BunnyGo]

Serious question time. I want an answer from everyone as soon as they see this post.

Did you read the post I made about me jailing myself? I mean read it. Not just acknowledge it was my logic and move on. I mean read what I wrote and why I wrote it.

Vecna -
Chaqa -
Tem -
Squigs -
Damo -
Bunny -
Jamie -
Xorx -
Summit -
Bozo -
Food -

Not necessarily. I read and remember the following:

1) You jailed yourself (this tickled me because of the paradox, and I asked about it)
2) You did it because you did not want to accidentally interfere with a PR and assumed the useful ones would have other protection
3) You didn't want to aim for the NK by accident, you felt saving yourself 100% was a better target than screwing things up again (and as someone who has been screwed up by your jailor abilities, I appreciate that thought)

I don't remember how many of these ideas were your follow up posts or the original one.

As for thinking about "why" you wrote it. No, I haven't done a good job trying to read your mind and intentions. Let's see if I can figure it out now....

I think I've mechanically cleared you as town (as long as foodc is telling truth about his lightning message) so I'm not going to consider the case you're scum here.

In that case, town!Neph is signalling "back off" to any NKs.
He's saying "I'm gonna be here at the end"
He's saying "I'm thinking about other PRs"
Hmm...are you asking for an invite to the sex party to help coordinate with other PRs? Maybe, but you may be worried about the mole there.


Does that answer your question?

[BunnyGo]

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