M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[Vecna]

Why not let me coordinate with Jamie?

You jailing yourself is kind of weird. You should be aiming to jail scum, in case you catch their killer.

Ok so nows there's a non-zero chance that I get killed. This is interesting.

Assuing my POE is correct (unlikely) I have a 1/5 chance of hitting the NK. I also have the chance to hit a town role.

If I go for a protect its only really me, summit or xorx that could get hit. Thats 1/3. Hitting the other two blocks their role.

I think the best option here is actually to self save, hopefully to take out the NK.

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jail neph

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This is the reasoning behind it and what I sent to worcej/GT

This would be a very creative post if neph is scum. Dont think ive seen anyone on webdip actually fake pm's they sent in for their night actions with decent reasoning.

[Vecna]

Bunny does have some excellent points though about the lack of results from Jamie.

Further still it intrigues me that we have a town doc, a town jailer AND whatever jamie is.

This setup seems pretty townsided

Id say all of that actually made the setup pretty 3P sided.

I still have the feeling that scum couldve tried to strongman Rdrivera, but why on earth would they be shooting him at any point in the game.

[Vecna]

Theory

Food is scum JOAT

Bismarck had 6 items so I guess food would have to have one. So far there have been events that have been one-offs each night. Seems weird to say the least.

N1- lightning rod
N2 - ?Strongman
N3 - Killing action
N4 - ???

It's not perfect by any means but The differences is flavour as possibly indicative.

If that N2 flavour was actually the strongman instead of the inquisitor, we might have a serious problem, pending on my previous two questions.

Ultimate tinfoil time:

What if foodcoats was recruited N1, but kept his scum QT?
Then they just made a plan to have Rdrivera recruit another scum N2 and N3, and now all remaining scum are chilling in the inquisitor chat and are just 3P

No, im not actually serious here. All scum cant be in the inq chat, theyd still need one to do the nightkills obviously!

[damo666]

Or to further this.

@Damo, when will your role become useful?

It is triggered by outsider action. That is why it is undisclosable.

Being scanned by summit didn’t count?

No. It is player triggered but not by using their ability/power.

[damo666]

You jailing yourself is kind of weird. You should be aiming to jail scum, in case you catch their killer.

Ok so nows there's a non-zero chance that I get killed. This is interesting.

Assuing my POE is correct (unlikely) I have a 1/5 chance of hitting the NK. I also have the chance to hit a town role.

If I go for a protect its only really me, summit or xorx that could get hit. Thats 1/3. Hitting the other two blocks their role.

I think the best option here is actually to self save, hopefully to take out the NK.

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jail neph

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This is the reasoning behind it and what I sent to worcej/GT

This would be a very creative post if neph is scum. Dont think ive seen anyone on webdip actually fake pm's they sent in for their night actions with decent reasoning.

I hate to be a spoil sport but isn't this a breach of rule 6?

[Vecna]

@Vecna

Worcej has responded.

As no-one who is playing any attention is surprised about, Rd couldn't convert people I RB. I am a role0blocking action and thats the explicit caveat.

I have no idea why youre trying to keep being so snide towards me. The role pm was explicitely vague in whether it meant Rdrivera being roleblocked or the target being saved by a roleblocking action.

I was not the only one asking this question

[Vecna]

Game seems pretty dead. I don't think lynching Squigs is the worst thing, but I really feel like this is one of the few situations where no-lynch would actually be preferable. My thoughts:

We have two roles that are info-gathering. Summit and Xorxes can attempt to get info on Bunny, Temasek, Squigs, and Vecna (some grouping of them). With a bit of luck, we'll have some definitive information.

Neph can jail one of Temasek and Bunny (and maybe Foodcoats as an option). This could prevent the mafia night-kill. Jamiet can use his protective ability to possibly block the kill.

There's at least one or two other roles out there that can be used tonight, I'm sure. Bunny says his power is good, so I'd recommend he isn't the jail target but a scan target.

If the mafia makes a kill, it will likely be xorxes or summit. This isn't amazing for us, BUT it does eliminate the concerns about one of them being deep-cover scum.

Best-case today if we lynch is Squigs is scum.
Medium cases are he is town and he shoots scum, or he is scum and suicides into a town member causing a no lynch.
Worst-case is he is town and shoots a town.

So, if we lynch, we can be anyway from -3T to -1S, -1T tomorrow. But on average we're -2.5T, -0.5S (assuming NK and Squigs is truthful).

If we no-lynch, at worst we're -1T, but sometimes we're -0T. Hell, if someone has some shenanigans to pull, we could even be -1T, -1S.

I just honestly think it's a better plan than lynching Squigs.

##Vote No Lynch

#ComeAtMe

You might be right.

One of my main concerns will be if we have enough days left to lynch all the scum (and 3p leftovers that are unlikely if neph is telling the truth).

If squigs is actually scum, we'll lose another town to that. NL'ing today gives scum another free kill to get closer to parity.

But ofcourse youre right if we mislynch we also lose town. But NL'ing might remove that mislynch regardless in the number game.

Running any actual numbers is difficult in this situation though since we have no real idea what were dealing with.

[Nephthys]

Ok so nows there's a non-zero chance that I get killed. This is interesting.

Assuing my POE is correct (unlikely) I have a 1/5 chance of hitting the NK. I also have the chance to hit a town role.

If I go for a protect its only really me, summit or xorx that could get hit. Thats 1/3. Hitting the other two blocks their role.

I think the best option here is actually to self save, hopefully to take out the NK.

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jail neph

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This is the reasoning behind it and what I sent to worcej/GT

This would be a very creative post if neph is scum. Dont think ive seen anyone on webdip actually fake pm's they sent in for their night actions with decent reasoning.

I hate to be a spoil sport but isn't this a breach of rule 6?

No, I've done this before and had it clarified before.

My understanding is because this is my thoughts and my content I can share it

Because me sending something to the GT is the same as me writing it down and not sending it. Therefore it is allowed.

Does that make any sense?

[Nephthys]

@Vecna

Worcej has responded.

As no-one who is playing any attention is surprised about, Rd couldn't convert people I RB. I am a role0blocking action and thats the explicit caveat.

I have no idea why youre trying to keep being so snide towards me. The role pm was explicitely vague in whether it meant Rdrivera being roleblocked or the target being saved by a roleblocking action.

I was not the only one asking this question

Apologies,

I don't want to be. You just posed it more than the others

Now you do point it out I can see where the confusion was, I just happened to read it the same way worcej clearly did.

[Nephthys]

I kinda like Chaqa's idea

##vote no-lynch

[Nephthys]

Serious question time. I want an answer from everyone as soon as they see this post.

Did you read the post I made about me jailing myself? I mean read it. Not just acknowledge it was my logic and move on. I mean read what I wrote and why I wrote it.

Vecna -
Chaqa -
Tem -
Squigs -
Damo -
Bunny -
Jamie -
Xorx -
Summit -
Bozo -
Food -

[Nephthys]

IMPORTANT ANSWER THE ABOVE POST RIGHT NOW

DON'T READ FURTHER

DON'T GO BACK AND ACTUALLY READ THE POST NOW

[Vecna]

This would be a very creative post if neph is scum. Dont think ive seen anyone on webdip actually fake pm's they sent in for their night actions with decent reasoning.

I hate to be a spoil sport but isn't this a breach of rule 6?

No, I've done this before and had it clarified before.

My understanding is because this is my thoughts and my content I can share it

Because me sending something to the GT is the same as me writing it down and not sending it. Therefore it is allowed.

Does that make any sense?

Also, he can explicitely be lying about it and making it up to look towny.

Theres nothing confirmable there, and its not communication FROM the gm but from him himself

[Nephthys]

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TL;DR - bozo and Vecna don't look good, and if one is scum I believe the other might be. In addition, a scum Vecna should set of warning bells on Summit.

Can anyone explain to me how Vecna and bozo can both be town here, it seems massively unlikely

Again I pull this up

@Summit
@Xorx
@Chaqa

Please read this and give me any indication that Vecna is likely to be town here and that both bozo and summit are not town. I'm walking down this tunnel and if its stupid and yall don't pull me out soon then...

[damo666]

Serious question time. I want an answer from everyone as soon as they see this post.

Did you read the post I made about me jailing myself? I mean read it. Not just acknowledge it was my logic and move on. I mean read what I wrote and why I wrote it.

Vecna -
Chaqa -
Tem -
Squigs -
Damo -
Bunny -
Jamie -
Xorx -
Summit -
Bozo -
Food -

Not properly. I will go back and read now though.

[damo666]

I hate to be a spoil sport but isn't this a breach of rule 6?

No, I've done this before and had it clarified before.

My understanding is because this is my thoughts and my content I can share it

Because me sending something to the GT is the same as me writing it down and not sending it. Therefore it is allowed.

Does that make any sense?

Also, he can explicitely be lying about it and making it up to look towny.

Theres nothing confirmable there, and its not communication FROM the gm but from him himself

Yes. Rule 6 specifically says to player. Apologies.

[Vecna]

Anyways neph, you should stop trying to outguess scum

And I read your post. im sure another scary trapcard is coming

[foodcoats]

@Bunny: By you not claiming your role, I'm assuming it's either because

(1) it is better than Alignment Cop, so if you claim it you are more likely to be killed than summit, or
(2) it can be interfered with by scum, so by not claiming you increase your chances of doing something good with it, or
(3) some other very good reason that I haven't thought about.

If none of those apply, and you claim something really boring like rivera did, you are lynched next.

It is better and worse than alignment cop. There are weaknesses, such that I have been effectively VT so far this game. But if I ever manage circumstances where I get it off, then I have some useful skills on par with alignment cop.

If you think I should claim more, I will. But I am likely to be a target for RB (if they have a RB--do we know one way or the other yet?) or killed. I think summit is probably a higher priority kill though (and our protectors too). So maybe I should claim?

I have gotten off my ability without encumbrance so scum is struggling to block roles imo.

How confident are we that Nephthys is truly town jailor, given the scum team's weakness with no RB?

... but if he was scum I don't know why they wouldn't jail brain and kill summit...

[Nephthys]

Serious question time. I want an answer from everyone as soon as they see this post.

Did you read the post I made about me jailing myself? I mean read it. Not just acknowledge it was my logic and move on. I mean read what I wrote and why I wrote it.

Vecna - Yes
Chaqa -
Tem -
Squigs -
Damo - No
Bunny -
Jamie -
Xorx -
Summit -
Bozo -
Food -

[Nephthys]

Anyways neph, you should stop trying to outguess scum

And I read your post. im sure another scary trapcard is coming

Why?

Outguessing scum is pretty core to this game. Moreso when complicated mechanics are involved