M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[Chaqa]

I don't know guys. I don't love the idea of us lynching Squigs, him shooting wrong, and suddenly we're down 2-3 town members tomorrow.

We have two (maybe three?) scanning abilities of sorts, not sure how Bunny works. Let's vote no-lynch and let them do work. Neph can try to roleblock someone and Jamie can add confusion to the mix by protecting someone else. Plus we have other roles in play yet that can help.

Or we force mass-claim now and then we have most information.

Does ANYONE have abilities that can help during the day?

@xorx - can I add Bozo to the QT and see if he can relay his role the same way you did?

[Jamiet99uk]

@Neph, Foodcoats, Vecna, Temasek:

All vote Squigs please?

[Chaqa]

So, I have a feeling we should discount any reading into flavor of the deaths now. Rivera probably killed EMC or flash.

Brain's death actually clears up a lot. Hmm.

How was your first post not about "YAY IM GETTING CHIPOTLE"

Is it because of the voiding clause if you were scum with inside information?

Oh shit I forgot about the bet. HA!

[Chaqa]

So the downside to this plan is if Squigs is telling the truth and chooses incorrectly. We then lose three town in one day/night. (And a slight chance there is another third party still out there)

This is the reason to vote no-lynch. We lose 0-1 town, but we potentially can clear two.

Most likely Squigs is not telling the truth.

If he is telling the truth, there's still a very good chance Tem is scum.

Even if they are both town, they are barely playing, so we don't lose a whole lot, and it is better to do this now than later.

But we still need to hear what Tem has to say before making a decision.

My main concern is you could be lying and could have either:
1. bussed your Inquisitor leader (seems unlikely)
2. could be the scum-version of your role

So I'm a little wary. What if you've false-cleared Bozo?

[xorxes]

I don't know guys. I don't love the idea of us lynching Squigs, him shooting wrong, and suddenly we're down 2-3 town members tomorrow.

We have two (maybe three?) scanning abilities of sorts, not sure how Bunny works. Let's vote no-lynch and let them do work. Neph can try to roleblock someone and Jamie can add confusion to the mix by protecting someone else. Plus we have other roles in play yet that can help.

Or we force mass-claim now and then we have most information.

Does ANYONE have abilities that can help during the day?

@xorx - can I add Bozo to the QT and see if he can relay his role the same way you did?

I think adding bozo is the safest choice if you must add someone, yes. You know what the only risk is, and it appears not to be too high in this case.

[xorxes]

This is the reason to vote no-lynch. We lose 0-1 town, but we potentially can clear two.

Most likely Squigs is not telling the truth.

If he is telling the truth, there's still a very good chance Tem is scum.

Even if they are both town, they are barely playing, so we don't lose a whole lot, and it is better to do this now than later.

But we still need to hear what Tem has to say before making a decision.

My main concern is you could be lying and could have either:
1. bussed your Inquisitor leader (seems unlikely)
2. could be the scum-version of your role

So I'm a little wary. What if you've false-cleared Bozo?

I would have to have also been bussing RHK, who I was pushing before summit guiltied him. But yes, I am obviously not fully clear and neither are you and neither is Jamie.

[bozotheclown]

I don't know guys. I don't love the idea of us lynching Squigs, him shooting wrong, and suddenly we're down 2-3 town members tomorrow.

We have two (maybe three?) scanning abilities of sorts, not sure how Bunny works. Let's vote no-lynch and let them do work. Neph can try to roleblock someone and Jamie can add confusion to the mix by protecting someone else. Plus we have other roles in play yet that can help.

Or we force mass-claim now and then we have most information.

Does ANYONE have abilities that can help during the day?

@xorx - can I add Bozo to the QT and see if he can relay his role the same way you did?

I do not completely trust your QT, so I would not reveal my role there, because it is better if scum do not know my role.

[xorxes]

I don't know guys. I don't love the idea of us lynching Squigs, him shooting wrong, and suddenly we're down 2-3 town members tomorrow.

We have two (maybe three?) scanning abilities of sorts, not sure how Bunny works. Let's vote no-lynch and let them do work. Neph can try to roleblock someone and Jamie can add confusion to the mix by protecting someone else. Plus we have other roles in play yet that can help.

Or we force mass-claim now and then we have most information.

Does ANYONE have abilities that can help during the day?

@xorx - can I add Bozo to the QT and see if he can relay his role the same way you did?

I do not completely trust your QT, so I would not reveal my role there, because it is better if scum do not know my role.

Would it benefit your role to know mine and Jamie's roles?

[Vecna]

So, Squigs claims that he is Vengeful Townie with an unusual limitation, that he can only use his vengeful shot to kill someone, if they were on his wagon.

Chaqa proposes a theory that Squigs could be a Suicide Bomber, who plans to suicide moments before EoD, causing us to (mis?)lynch whoever the second-placed wagon is.

I suggest there is one strategy which mitigates against both of these potential problems.

Everyone, with no exceptions at all, should vote for Squigs.

I think you're correct. ##VOTE Squigs

Squigs can shoot Tem unless Tem has claimed his role and based on that it seems worth killing someone else instead.

Might still result in no lynch though, right?

[bozotheclown]

Ha, that would be ugly.

Do we have reason to doubt any of summit's other scans? When did summit claim? D3? If this were the case his N3 and N4 scan's would be highly suspect.

N2 was correct (RHK), N3 was correct but useless (emc, died that night), N4 was damo.

He was already outed N3, so it's highly unlikely that they have such a thing.

If it made all cop scans innocent, the N3 scan would not make it any less likely, bu this is all just speculation.

[bozotheclown]

I don't know guys. I don't love the idea of us lynching Squigs, him shooting wrong, and suddenly we're down 2-3 town members tomorrow.

We have two (maybe three?) scanning abilities of sorts, not sure how Bunny works. Let's vote no-lynch and let them do work. Neph can try to roleblock someone and Jamie can add confusion to the mix by protecting someone else. Plus we have other roles in play yet that can help.

Or we force mass-claim now and then we have most information.

Does ANYONE have abilities that can help during the day?

@xorx - can I add Bozo to the QT and see if he can relay his role the same way you did?

I do not completely trust your QT, so I would not reveal my role there, because it is better if scum do not know my role.

Would it benefit your role to know mine and Jamie's roles?

Not if you are really both town, but I am curious what your roles are.

[Jamiet99uk]

So, Squigs claims that he is Vengeful Townie with an unusual limitation, that he can only use his vengeful shot to kill someone, if they were on his wagon.

Chaqa proposes a theory that Squigs could be a Suicide Bomber, who plans to suicide moments before EoD, causing us to (mis?)lynch whoever the second-placed wagon is.

I suggest there is one strategy which mitigates against both of these potential problems.

Everyone, with no exceptions at all, should vote for Squigs.

I think you're correct. ##VOTE Squigs

Squigs can shoot Tem unless Tem has claimed his role and based on that it seems worth killing someone else instead.

Might still result in no lynch though, right?

Only if Squigs is a Suicide Bomber in which case that's still the best outcome.

[bozotheclown]

Correct. The votes of people who have died during the day are not counted in the final vote count. (The same would be true of the vote cast by someone killed by a day-acting Vigilante, for instance).

So the downside to this plan is if Squigs is telling the truth and chooses incorrectly. We then lose three town in one day/night. (And a slight chance there is another third party still out there)

This is the reason to vote no-lynch. We lose 0-1 town, but we potentially can clear two.

How would we clear 2, by night actions?

[Vecna]

As for Brainbomb (RIP), Vecna was starting to make a lot of appeals to intelligence when attacking him. Scum didn't want to waste a nightkill on brain and tried to appeal to the "kill the strong players" instinct.

They realised the appeals weren't working and decided they couldn't afford to let a strong town player remain alive?

The fact they killed brainbomb suggests that they don't have a bus driver and redirector was a one off thing.

I don't understand this logic.

Its quite likely a scum JOAT or like 1-2 shot redirector.

That role should be quite easy to flush out by now though, since it can only be quite a limited pool of people by now.

[bozotheclown]

So the downside to this plan is if Squigs is telling the truth and chooses incorrectly. We then lose three town in one day/night. (And a slight chance there is another third party still out there)

This is the reason to vote no-lynch. We lose 0-1 town, but we potentially can clear two.

How would we clear 2, by night actions?

I see where you said this later.

[Vecna]

Anyways, it might actually not be a terrible idea to blow me up with squigs ability. Ive managed to compromise my slot to such a degree I probably should not be in the endgame as ill likely lose any serious 1v1 against scum due to the high suspicions on my slot. Biggest downside is that it will cost us 2 townies now if squigs is town, but I can seriously see me losing us the game here, and im not sure any level of stellar play is going to salvage the stuff ive done this game

Also, I think its pretty obvious im not going to get NK'd here

Either that or we need to find a proper way to confirm my alignment here, but with the modified flavour on the cop scans, thats probably not happening.

[Vecna]

How are the current numbers anyway? I guess it might be too late for such a play?

Probably a terrible idea if itll cost us two towns. And if squigs is scum he aint blowing me up regardless.

[bozotheclown]

If rdrivera did kill Marche (by strangulation or not), the mafia would have known there was either a 3P killing faction or another town killing action. With Vecna's role revealed (if he is town) and with the town JOAT revealed, it would be a good guess for them to think there was a 3P killer. Maybe Vecna and summit were driven or summit was deflected to protect summit from the 3P killer, either because mafia had a role that could get them a false innocent scan, or because summit is mafia?

[Chaqa]

I don't know guys. I don't love the idea of us lynching Squigs, him shooting wrong, and suddenly we're down 2-3 town members tomorrow.

We have two (maybe three?) scanning abilities of sorts, not sure how Bunny works. Let's vote no-lynch and let them do work. Neph can try to roleblock someone and Jamie can add confusion to the mix by protecting someone else. Plus we have other roles in play yet that can help.

Or we force mass-claim now and then we have most information.

Does ANYONE have abilities that can help during the day?

@xorx - can I add Bozo to the QT and see if he can relay his role the same way you did?

I do not completely trust your QT, so I would not reveal my role there, because it is better if scum do not know my role.

If scum knew what xorxes role was, I don't think he'd be alive. It's kinda a counterpoint to food being scum. I think the QT is probably safe.

[xorxes]

If rdrivera did kill Marche (by strangulation or not), the mafia would have known there was either a 3P killing faction or another town killing action. With Vecna's role revealed (if he is town) and with the town JOAT revealed, it would be a good guess for them to think there was a 3P killer. Maybe Vecna and summit were driven or summit was deflected to protect summit from the 3P killer, either because mafia had a role that could get them a false innocent scan, or because summit is mafia?

If Vecna is town, summit was redirected to Vecna in the hopes that whoever went to protect or watch summit would be killed by Vecna, since there was still doubt whether he had any charges left or not.

I doubt they would be worried that a 3P killer would target mafia!summit when there was a lot of talk of summit being protected by brain or watched by flash.