M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[BunnyGo]

@Bunny: By you not claiming your role, I'm assuming it's either because

(1) it is better than Alignment Cop, so if you claim it you are more likely to be killed than summit, or
(2) it can be interfered with by scum, so by not claiming you increase your chances of doing something good with it, or
(3) some other very good reason that I haven't thought about.

If none of those apply, and you claim something really boring like rivera did, you are lynched next.

It is better and worse than alignment cop. There are weaknesses, such that I have been effectively VT so far this game. But if I ever manage circumstances where I get it off, then I have some useful skills on par with alignment cop.

If you think I should claim more, I will. But I am likely to be a target for RB (if they have a RB--do we know one way or the other yet?) or killed. I think summit is probably a higher priority kill though (and our protectors too). So maybe I should claim?

[BunnyGo]

As for Brainbomb (RIP), Vecna was starting to make a lot of appeals to intelligence when attacking him. Scum didn't want to waste a nightkill on brain and tried to appeal to the "kill the strong players" instinct.

They realised the appeals weren't working and decided they couldn't afford to let a strong town player remain alive?

Can you say this again. My English to English translation can't understand what you're trying to say.

[summit_fever]

@Bunny: By you not claiming your role, I'm assuming it's either because

(1) it is better than Alignment Cop, so if you claim it you are more likely to be killed than summit, or
(2) it can be interfered with by scum, so by not claiming you increase your chances of doing something good with it, or
(3) some other very good reason that I haven't thought about.

If none of those apply, and you claim something really boring like rivera did, you are lynched next.

It is better and worse than alignment cop. There are weaknesses, such that I have been effectively VT so far this game. But if I ever manage circumstances where I get it off, then I have some useful skills on par with alignment cop.

If you think I should claim more, I will. But I am likely to be a target for RB (if they have a RB--do we know one way or the other yet?) or killed. I think summit is probably a higher priority kill though (and our protectors too). So maybe I should claim?

I have gotten off my ability without encumbrance so scum is struggling to block roles imo.

[BunnyGo]

@Bunny: By you not claiming your role, I'm assuming it's either because

(1) it is better than Alignment Cop, so if you claim it you are more likely to be killed than summit, or
(2) it can be interfered with by scum, so by not claiming you increase your chances of doing something good with it, or
(3) some other very good reason that I haven't thought about.

If none of those apply, and you claim something really boring like rivera did, you are lynched next.

It is better and worse than alignment cop. There are weaknesses, such that I have been effectively VT so far this game. But if I ever manage circumstances where I get it off, then I have some useful skills on par with alignment cop.

If you think I should claim more, I will. But I am likely to be a target for RB (if they have a RB--do we know one way or the other yet?) or killed. I think summit is probably a higher priority kill though (and our protectors too). So maybe I should claim?

I have gotten off my ability without encumbrance so scum is struggling to block roles imo.

That's an excellent point.

[summit_fever]

As for Brainbomb (RIP), Vecna was starting to make a lot of appeals to intelligence when attacking him. Scum didn't want to waste a nightkill on brain and tried to appeal to the "kill the strong players" instinct.

They realised the appeals weren't working and decided they couldn't afford to let a strong town player remain alive?

Can you say this again. My English to English translation can't understand what you're trying to say.

Sorry. I'm suggesting Vecna is scum.

[xorxes]

As for Brainbomb (RIP), Vecna was starting to make a lot of appeals to intelligence when attacking him. Scum didn't want to waste a nightkill on brain and tried to appeal to the "kill the strong players" instinct.

They realised the appeals weren't working and decided they couldn't afford to let a strong town player remain alive?

The fact they killed brainbomb suggests that they don't have a bus driver and redirector was a one off thing.

[BunnyGo]

As for Brainbomb (RIP), Vecna was starting to make a lot of appeals to intelligence when attacking him. Scum didn't want to waste a nightkill on brain and tried to appeal to the "kill the strong players" instinct.

They realised the appeals weren't working and decided they couldn't afford to let a strong town player remain alive?

The fact they killed brainbomb suggests that they don't have a bus driver and redirector was a one off thing.

I don't understand this logic.

[bozotheclown]

"You scan as guilty if scanned by a cop-like ability, unless modified."

This is from DemonRHK's role PM, suggesting their may be a role that modifies the cop scan to make scum look innocent.

Yes, I mentioned before that suggested a Lawyer. So damo's "clear" is not definitive. Your "clear" also has a similar (but unrelated to Lawyer) caveat.

Maybe instead of a lawyer they have a role that targets the cop directly and affects his scans.

[xorxes]

@Bunny: By you not claiming your role, I'm assuming it's either because

(1) it is better than Alignment Cop, so if you claim it you are more likely to be killed than summit, or
(2) it can be interfered with by scum, so by not claiming you increase your chances of doing something good with it, or
(3) some other very good reason that I haven't thought about.

If none of those apply, and you claim something really boring like rivera did, you are lynched next.

It is better and worse than alignment cop. There are weaknesses, such that I have been effectively VT so far this game. But if I ever manage circumstances where I get it off, then I have some useful skills on par with alignment cop.

If you think I should claim more, I will. But I am likely to be a target for RB (if they have a RB--do we know one way or the other yet?) or killed. I think summit is probably a higher priority kill though (and our protectors too). So maybe I should claim?

There has been no evidence of a roleblocker (unless it's Neph), but they could have a JOAT with a one-off roleblock. It sounds like an interesting role, I'm not pressuring you to claim, but if Tem claims something super useful, you may be a potential target for Squigs if he really is Vengeful.

[xorxes]

"You scan as guilty if scanned by a cop-like ability, unless modified."

This is from DemonRHK's role PM, suggesting their may be a role that modifies the cop scan to make scum look innocent.

Yes, I mentioned before that suggested a Lawyer. So damo's "clear" is not definitive. Your "clear" also has a similar (but unrelated to Lawyer) caveat.

Maybe instead of a lawyer they have a role that targets the cop directly and affects his scans.

Ha, that would be ugly.

[BunnyGo]

Yes, I mentioned before that suggested a Lawyer. So damo's "clear" is not definitive. Your "clear" also has a similar (but unrelated to Lawyer) caveat.

Maybe instead of a lawyer they have a role that targets the cop directly and affects his scans.

Ha, that would be ugly.

Do we have reason to doubt any of summit's other scans? When did summit claim? D3? If this were the case his N3 and N4 scan's would be highly suspect.

[summit_fever]

Yes, I mentioned before that suggested a Lawyer. So damo's "clear" is not definitive. Your "clear" also has a similar (but unrelated to Lawyer) caveat.

Maybe instead of a lawyer they have a role that targets the cop directly and affects his scans.

Ha, that would be ugly.

Hmm. If they have a one shot of this... They didn't use it when I scanned EMC is all I can say on that.

[summit_fever]

Maybe instead of a lawyer they have a role that targets the cop directly and affects his scans.

Ha, that would be ugly.

Do we have reason to doubt any of summit's other scans? When did summit claim? D3? If this were the case his N3 and N4 scan's would be highly suspect.

Regarding the scans:

Demon I claimed scum and flipped scum.
EMC I claimed after the fact nonscum and flipped nonscum
Damo I claim nonscum.

I wish I identified my claim night 3. That would have made things easier for others.

[xorxes]

Maybe instead of a lawyer they have a role that targets the cop directly and affects his scans.

Ha, that would be ugly.

Do we have reason to doubt any of summit's other scans? When did summit claim? D3? If this were the case his N3 and N4 scan's would be highly suspect.

N2 was correct (RHK), N3 was correct but useless (emc, died that night), N4 was damo.

He was already outed N3, so it's highly unlikely that they have such a thing.

[damo666]

##vote Squigs

Assuming you are telling the truth I suggest you shoot Vecna, Tem or Bunny.

[Chaqa]

Should Squigs be a suicide bomber, does their vote no longer count when they suicide?

Correct. The votes of people who have died during the day are not counted in the final vote count. (The same would be true of the vote cast by someone killed by a day-acting Vigilante, for instance).

So the downside to this plan is if Squigs is telling the truth and chooses incorrectly. We then lose three town in one day/night. (And a slight chance there is another third party still out there)

This is the reason to vote no-lynch. We lose 0-1 town, but we potentially can clear two.

[Chaqa]

As for Brainbomb (RIP), Vecna was starting to make a lot of appeals to intelligence when attacking him. Scum didn't want to waste a nightkill on brain and tried to appeal to the "kill the strong players" instinct.

They realised the appeals weren't working and decided they couldn't afford to let a strong town player remain alive?

The fact they killed brainbomb suggests that they don't have a bus driver and redirector was a one off thing.

This adds weight to scumJOAT!Foodcoats theory.

[BunnyGo]

As for Brainbomb (RIP), Vecna was starting to make a lot of appeals to intelligence when attacking him. Scum didn't want to waste a nightkill on brain and tried to appeal to the "kill the strong players" instinct.

They realised the appeals weren't working and decided they couldn't afford to let a strong town player remain alive?

The fact they killed brainbomb suggests that they don't have a bus driver and redirector was a one off thing.

This adds weight to scumJOAT!Foodcoats theory.

Soooooo confused. Drunk Bunny (TM) doesn't do mechanics...

[Vecna]

So, I have a feeling we should discount any reading into flavor of the deaths now. Rivera probably killed EMC or flash.

Brain's death actually clears up a lot. Hmm.

How was your first post not about "YAY IM GETTING CHIPOTLE"

Is it because of the voiding clause if you were scum with inside information?

[xorxes]

Correct. The votes of people who have died during the day are not counted in the final vote count. (The same would be true of the vote cast by someone killed by a day-acting Vigilante, for instance).

So the downside to this plan is if Squigs is telling the truth and chooses incorrectly. We then lose three town in one day/night. (And a slight chance there is another third party still out there)

This is the reason to vote no-lynch. We lose 0-1 town, but we potentially can clear two.

Most likely Squigs is not telling the truth.

If he is telling the truth, there's still a very good chance Tem is scum.

Even if they are both town, they are barely playing, so we don't lose a whole lot, and it is better to do this now than later.

But we still need to hear what Tem has to say before making a decision.