M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[worcej]

##CALL GM

Can you answer that worcej?

Each category goes in order of Town -> scum -> 3p if there are multiple abilities in the type.

[Chaqa]

Hmm but wait

If we do follow flavour mafia had two kills on N3 somehow, so they couldnt really have found out about Rdrivera on that night via kills

N2 maybe?

In the QT we've been toying with the theory of a scum JOAT who has a gun, or a booby-trap of some sort. It could even be food, who also had a 1x Lightning Rod.

[Chaqa]

anyways foodcoats is completely powerless if I understood the flip correctly, and most likely alone in a faction

It looks like the only way he can maybe -draw- is if he gets to a 1v1 situation with a towny.

If town gets eliminated and he remains left-over with even 1 scum member, he auto loses since he cannot eliminate them.

So...probably in his best interest to push for a draw and scumhunt.

Foodcoats: spill the beans

Brainbomb might also have been converted Night 3 if he self-saved and rivera targeted him. Hence why he's spouting nonsense about a scum driver.

[Chaqa]

Interestingly enough,

Jamiet would be the only one in that PT of Chaqa's that isnt either scum or 3rd party.

Unless he got turned at some point were not aware of.

Scum and 3P could be freely communicating in there by now if thats the case

But this is a bit too coo-koo for now.

Why would scum have a neighborizer?

[Chaqa]

yea but now youre just scum

Sure a scum neighbourizer, why not.

scum mastermind manipulator with extra powers added on top of the neighbouriser?

its possible jamiet, dont be ruling it out now.

Remember: CHAQA KNEW THERE WAS MORE 3P OUT THERE

when RHK was flailing around, he suggested it might be a 3P doc and not to lynch him but leash him

Because everyone had been screaming about how there HAD TO BE a 3P faction besides EMC...

[Chaqa]

@brain - I'm hoping to add you to the QT tomorrow to explain what happened today, but I think we can trust xorxes. The only person in the QT I'm unsure of is food, and if anything he's Inquisitor. But, if he were, xorxes would also likely be, since there seems to be a missing kill from Night 2.

Why would Xorxes even out his own cult leader? Makes no sense

And if that role actually transferred it would be the most op 3rd party by quite a large margin.

It already was pretty pretty out there now

I think we can safely rule that out and stop fearmongering over more inquisitors

lol I re-read my own post here and even I am wondering why I thought xorx could be INquisitor...

[foodcoats]

Hmm but wait

If we do follow flavour mafia had two kills on N3 somehow, so they couldnt really have found out about Rdrivera on that night via kills

N2 maybe?

In the QT we've been toying with the theory of a scum JOAT who has a gun, or a booby-trap of some sort. It could even be food, who also had a 1x Lightning Rod.

Tis not I, but I was thinking a scum Vigilante even makes sense, since we don't seem to have a town Vig and there were at least a couple of third parties.

[Chaqa]

something fluffy is going on here

Maybe scum got recruited N1 and emc had to die so the hood could be used for communication between 3p/scum (but jamiet would be in the way of that? You are in there right jamiet?)

im sniffing bullshit

sniff-sniff

sniff

This night sure is going to be interesting

lol I can't wait to add you to the hood just to make your head spin even more tinfoil

[BunnyGo]

Interestingly enough,

Jamiet would be the only one in that PT of Chaqa's that isnt either scum or 3rd party.

Unless he got turned at some point were not aware of.

Scum and 3P could be freely communicating in there by now if thats the case

But this is a bit too coo-koo for now.

Why would scum have a neighborizer?

Double bluff? Spy on town?

[xorxes]

If rivera targeted summit and he was redirected to Vecna together with brainbomb, Vecna would have been converted, right?

[BunnyGo]

Hmm but wait

If we do follow flavour mafia had two kills on N3 somehow, so they couldnt really have found out about Rdrivera on that night via kills

N2 maybe?

In the QT we've been toying with the theory of a scum JOAT who has a gun, or a booby-trap of some sort. It could even be food, who also had a 1x Lightning Rod.

Tis not I, but I was thinking a scum Vigilante even makes sense, since we don't seem to have a town Vig and there were at least a couple of third parties.

I still don’t understand why scum needed doctor. To protect from rdr and JOAT? That seems really under-useful for scum doctor use. Maybe that was the point?

[BunnyGo]

If rivera targeted summit and he was redirected to Vecna together with brainbomb, Vecna would have been converted, right?

Maybe summit too in that case? Is redirect a RB?

[Chaqa]

At this point, you notice you are wearing a futuristic watch on your hand that wasn’t there before. It has a speaker on it as well. You try to take it off, but it won’t budge.[/i]

“Welcome to my game…” the speaker erupts “You were hand selected to be a part of this little ‘competition’ due to your unique skills…”

The Mastermind speaks to us through our watches.

“On this island, there are 21 of you. Some are here because we selected them. Others are here working for me as my hunters. And some are here without permission… interfering in my little game…”

Mastermind is not one of the 21

QED

Thank you xorxes, that lessens my suspicions of chaqa -somewhat-

It really bothers me how you claim to have everything figured out when you self-claim to haven't read over 100 pages of the game, are missing basic info we all have, etc... much like Bozo, it's annoying to have to explain everything four times this game.

[xorxes]

If rivera targeted summit and he was redirected to Vecna together with brainbomb, Vecna would have been converted, right?

Except brainbomb would know that Vecna was saved. So I don't think that works.

[xorxes]

If rivera targeted summit and he was redirected to Vecna together with brainbomb, Vecna would have been converted, right?

Maybe summit too in that case? Is redirect a RB?

Bus Driver is classified as protective, so I assume so would redirect.

Yes, actually it's summit that would have been protected there. But that could not have happened if brain is telling the truth, or he would know that Vecna was saved.

[Vecna]

I know that. But then why would it still be classified as a roleblock action?

My ability also fires before everything else. But it sure doesnt have some classification that is still mentioned in the order adjudication to make it all weird and vague.

its completely clear how it works

Regardless, that still doesnt mean anything for nephs alignment that you were trying to state in that post.

In your case, there is a specific caveat in the rules that says that some kills may not be roleblocked. There is nothing in the rules that would indicate that LR goes first unless it is considered a roleblocking action. That's why food's explanation that it was classified as such made some sense to me.

Once again, my role pm specifically breaks the adjudication order rules as stated in the first post

Id assume the same is true for the LR

[Chaqa]

@Vecna and @Jamie: All roles so far have been classified as one of the only four types mentioned in the rules: roleblock, protective, investigative, killing.

Assuming every role has to be classified as one of those, what does LR make most sense as? I think roleblocking makes the some sense. So I believe food when he says that that's what his role PM says.

To add some detail, my role is specifically listed as NOT being one of those four categories.

[Vecna]

Vecna is wasting everyone's breath on chasing a 3P that he supposedly doesn't even think is worth lynching...

Yeah, yeah....

knowing the truth of whats happening in this game

such a waste yo

[Vecna]

@Vecna and @Jamie: All roles so far have been classified as one of the only four types mentioned in the rules: roleblock, protective, investigative, killing.

Assuming every role has to be classified as one of those, what does LR make most sense as? I think roleblocking makes the some sense. So I believe food when he says that that's what his role PM says.

wrong assumption on the first part

[xorxes]

I know that. But then why would it still be classified as a roleblock action?

My ability also fires before everything else. But it sure doesnt have some classification that is still mentioned in the order adjudication to make it all weird and vague.

its completely clear how it works

Regardless, that still doesnt mean anything for nephs alignment that you were trying to state in that post.

In your case, there is a specific caveat in the rules that says that some kills may not be roleblocked. There is nothing in the rules that would indicate that LR goes first unless it is considered a roleblocking action. That's why food's explanation that it was classified as such made some sense to me.

Once again, my role pm specifically breaks the adjudication order rules as stated in the first post

Id assume the same is true for the LR

Can you remind me what your PM says? I remember a discussion you had with Jamie about it where I think Jamie was right and you were wrong.