M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[foodcoats]

Food confirmed he is a roleblocker way back when

Well I'm not sure I buy that.

Sort of interesting he stated that way back when huh?

Hint: its because he was already aware of the inquisitor role after getting recruited.

LR is not a roleblocking action BY ANY LOGIC EVER

I was put in jail. You are not paying attention.

[foodcoats]

Very interesting. This strongly suggests that Neph is town. Since town actions activate first.

Oh shit that's a really good point.

How is that a good point whatsoever?

You claim your action is a roleblock action.

This proves that is a lie. Or that neph is actually not town. Potentially even both.

If you were both town roleblockers your actions would activate AT THE SAME TIME, meaning you would not be jailkept because he would not be redirected.

so either it means neph is actually SCUM or that YOU are 3p that got recruited and is lying about the RB part because you knew it might come up when the inquisitor would get lynched later on.

nice slipping buddy

I have specifically said - twice, I think - that the LR fires BEFORE ANY OTHER ROLEBLOCKS.

[foodcoats]

Theres like 120 pages of this game I havent read and I still feel like I pick up on way more than anyone else.

big lol @ the lotta ya really

Actually, no, you're making a bunch of mistakes because you aren't keeping up with the claims and mechanics.

[xorxes]

At this point, you notice you are wearing a futuristic watch on your hand that wasn’t there before. It has a speaker on it as well. You try to take it off, but it won’t budge.[/i]

“Welcome to my game…” the speaker erupts “You were hand selected to be a part of this little ‘competition’ due to your unique skills…”

The Mastermind speaks to us through our watches.

“On this island, there are 21 of you. Some are here because we selected them. Others are here working for me as my hunters. And some are here without permission… interfering in my little game…”

Mastermind is not one of the 21

QED

[Vecna]

I know that. But then why would it still be classified as a roleblock action?

My ability also fires before everything else. But it sure doesnt have some classification that is still mentioned in the order adjudication to make it all weird and vague.

its completely clear how it works

Regardless, that still doesnt mean anything for nephs alignment that you were trying to state in that post.

[foodcoats]

Ok I agree with Vecna.

I already said, there's no way Lightning Bolt is a roleblock action because it quite literally doesn't block actions it just redirects them. The actions still occur.

So, as Vecna has said, there is no way Foodcoats is town.

He must surely be scum, though. Because Jailor is a roleblock action. So on N1 when Rdrivera was redirected onto Foodcoats, the Jailor prevented the kill. The Role PM says "If your kill action is prevented via a role-block type action, your target will not be recruited." Thus Rdrivera did not recruit Foodcoats N1.

Unless for some reason Rdrivera went back and tried again on Foodcoats on one of the other two nights, and failed to kill by some other means (docsave?), but that seems very unlikely?

Conclusion: Foodcoats or Bozo should be tomorrow's lynch.

This stresses me out.

[Vecna]

At this point, you notice you are wearing a futuristic watch on your hand that wasn’t there before. It has a speaker on it as well. You try to take it off, but it won’t budge.[/i]

“Welcome to my game…” the speaker erupts “You were hand selected to be a part of this little ‘competition’ due to your unique skills…”

The Mastermind speaks to us through our watches.

“On this island, there are 21 of you. Some are here because we selected them. Others are here working for me as my hunters. And some are here without permission… interfering in my little game…”

Mastermind is not one of the 21

QED

Thank you xorxes, that lessens my suspicions of chaqa -somewhat-

[Vecna]

Ok I agree with Vecna.

I already said, there's no way Lightning Bolt is a roleblock action because it quite literally doesn't block actions it just redirects them. The actions still occur.

So, as Vecna has said, there is no way Foodcoats is town.

He must surely be scum, though. Because Jailor is a roleblock action. So on N1 when Rdrivera was redirected onto Foodcoats, the Jailor prevented the kill. The Role PM says "If your kill action is prevented via a role-block type action, your target will not be recruited." Thus Rdrivera did not recruit Foodcoats N1.

Unless for some reason Rdrivera went back and tried again on Foodcoats on one of the other two nights, and failed to kill by some other means (docsave?), but that seems very unlikely?

Conclusion: Foodcoats or Bozo should be tomorrow's lynch.

This stresses me out.

were not lynching you anyway foodcoats. Even if you are 3p, youre powerless now lol.

You'd be like a VT without a real wincon. Unless you have another buddy, which means you'd just need to be eliminated before the 4way.

[Temasek22]

Why Temasek? I've learned over all his recent games that he just says sh*t that seems off to all of us, and gets scumread for it. And then is always town (or once was that 3P neutral). Is it because of Sarah?

Partly because of Sarah, partly because I think Temasek said he thought rdrivera was town because he knew rdrivera was not mafia.

Hmm...that's something I chalk up to a more experienced player. No offense to Temasek, but I have never noticed him anticipating people's reactions like that. I think after all his troubles not getting lynched as town, he's just trying to figure out how to not get lynched (as town!Tem or scum!Tem). I don't see him trying anything next level like that.

Bingo! I'm too dumb (and late to this game) to try anything next level.

[Vecna]

like I said before, if youre 3p, just claim it now so we know that we can just work towards some silly shared victory or whatever.

Your best bet would be to survive to the final 2 with another town.

Then neither could kill the other and its a joint win.

If you do not claim it now, and neph needs to get the answer from the GM you will force us to think there might still be another one of you out there, and lynching you might actually be the best course of action.

[Vecna]

This offer has a limited time validity, and that clock is ticking

[BunnyGo]

Ok I agree with Vecna.

I already said, there's no way Lightning Bolt is a roleblock action because it quite literally doesn't block actions it just redirects them. The actions still occur.

So, as Vecna has said, there is no way Foodcoats is town.

He must surely be scum, though. Because Jailor is a roleblock action. So on N1 when Rdrivera was redirected onto Foodcoats, the Jailor prevented the kill. The Role PM says "If your kill action is prevented via a role-block type action, your target will not be recruited." Thus Rdrivera did not recruit Foodcoats N1.

Unless for some reason Rdrivera went back and tried again on Foodcoats on one of the other two nights, and failed to kill by some other means (docsave?), but that seems very unlikely?

Conclusion: Foodcoats or Bozo should be tomorrow's lynch.

I agree with a lot of this. Rdrivera’s original target is probably converted too. But why kill them? It sounds like people think that it is likely they don’t have a factional kill anymore. If so, let’s save until the end, right?

On the other hand, I guess the reason to do it is that we need to eventually, and it saves a mislynch. Are we saving time for scans and PRs to get intel?

[xorxes]

If there were no NK's from scum it's because they must have tried to kill me that night, which makes sense.

does it though? You were tunneling pretty hard on EMC and not contributing much else.

Theres 4-5 options:

-Scum were trying to kill Rdrivera and it failed
-You were doing the NK and got jailed
-Scum were trying to kill you
-Something else interupted their kill that we do not know about,
(or im wrong about the flavour for choking being the inQ)

Scum targeting you that night feels like the very least likely to me. Sorry

Especially given the peculiarity that so much activity went on surrounding you. And that it just happens to be you the next day catching Rdrivera.

Sorry if youre town and you just saved us, and everything in that hood is suddenly honky-dorey and town at its finest, but im not buying any of this.

We still need to explain how Mafia got an extra kill N3 if it did not come from rivera, and what rivera did that night.

As for how I caught rivera, it will become clear in due course. I understand you may have doubts, but there is a very clear explanation that the Chaqa boys already know about.

It's not all hunky-dorey in the hood, we can't be completely sure about anyone, but in my opinion Chaqa and Jamie are most likely town, and the main question I have about foodcoats is whether he was recruited by rivera or not.

[BunnyGo]

Oh shit that's a really good point.

I mean, Neph was pretty much guaranteed to be town anyway.

We know xorx was jailed N2. So, inferring from this:

If xorx were scum, scum!Neph wouldn't want to jail his teammate when they have a Doctor who can protect him
If xorx were town, scum!Neph wouldn't want to jail him when scum could have just killed him outright.

Or maybe scum xorxes being jailed is the reason

THERE WAS NO NK from SCUM N2

ding-ding-ding

we have a winner

his name is vecna

Never stop, Vecna. But maybe a summary post when you’re done for me to see it all in one place?

[BunnyGo]

@Vecna: I think Foodcoats is scum, not converted 3P.

On which night do you surmise his conversion took place?

It cannot have occurred N1.

Wait, scum LR? Does that serve a purpose as game design?

[xorxes]

I know that. But then why would it still be classified as a roleblock action?

My ability also fires before everything else. But it sure doesnt have some classification that is still mentioned in the order adjudication to make it all weird and vague.

its completely clear how it works

Regardless, that still doesnt mean anything for nephs alignment that you were trying to state in that post.

In your case, there is a specific caveat in the rules that says that some kills may not be roleblocked. There is nothing in the rules that would indicate that LR goes first unless it is considered a roleblocking action. That's why food's explanation that it was classified as such made some sense to me.

[foodcoats]

I know that. But then why would it still be classified as a roleblock action?

My ability also fires before everything else. But it sure doesnt have some classification that is still mentioned in the order adjudication to make it all weird and vague.

its completely clear how it works

Regardless, that still doesnt mean anything for nephs alignment that you were trying to state in that post.

In your case, there is a specific caveat in the rules that says that some kills may not be roleblocked. There is nothing in the rules that would indicate that LR goes first unless it is considered a roleblocking action. That's why food's explanation that it was classified as such made some sense to me.

It doesn't go before anything else, it specifically goes before any other roleblock actions.

[foodcoats]

Vecna is wasting everyone's breath on chasing a 3P that he supposedly doesn't even think is worth lynching...

[xorxes]

I know that. But then why would it still be classified as a roleblock action?

My ability also fires before everything else. But it sure doesnt have some classification that is still mentioned in the order adjudication to make it all weird and vague.

its completely clear how it works

Regardless, that still doesnt mean anything for nephs alignment that you were trying to state in that post.

In your case, there is a specific caveat in the rules that says that some kills may not be roleblocked. There is nothing in the rules that would indicate that LR goes first unless it is considered a roleblocking action. That's why food's explanation that it was classified as such made some sense to me.

It doesn't go before anything else, it specifically goes before any other roleblock actions.

Yes, but roleblocking actions go first, so it amounts to the same thing.

[xorxes]

@Vecna and @Jamie: All roles so far have been classified as one of the only four types mentioned in the rules: roleblock, protective, investigative, killing.

Assuming every role has to be classified as one of those, what does LR make most sense as? I think roleblocking makes the some sense. So I believe food when he says that that's what his role PM says.