M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[xorxes]

I don't know what to make of it then.

its a bus driver.
a scum bus driver

redirector more plausible IF you are town

They clearly thought there was a chance you might die from visiting me, so they wouldnt risk visiting me themselves first

That makes way more sense than Bus Driver, yes.

[Vecna]

The order of procedure would still be relevant. I would've been tracked, watched, etc. if I hadn't been initially jailed.

Your "roleblock" (i.e. interference with everybody else's actions) occured before Nephs roleblock. Everything else (the protection from everyone else's actions) was Neph's action, which came after your roleblock.

If his roleblock had come first you would not have had any effect on anyone.

Sorry, I think you're confused.

Bunny pointed out that the fact I was jailed points to Neph being town, because town RBs process first.

I am saying yes, that's awesome, I think it clears Neph as town 100%. Otherwise flash at least would've had some kind of results. I'll have to go back and look but I don't recall him saying he say anything that night.

Can you go and look at the rulepost for adjudication again please?

Clearly you still dont understand how it works lol

[Jamiet99uk]

Ok I agree with Vecna.

I already said, there's no way Lightning Bolt is a roleblock action because it quite literally doesn't block actions it just redirects them. The actions still occur.

So, as Vecna has said, there is no way Foodcoats is town.

He must surely be scum, though. Because Jailor is a roleblock action. So on N1 when Rdrivera was redirected onto Foodcoats, the Jailor prevented the kill. The Role PM says "If your kill action is prevented via a role-block type action, your target will not be recruited." Thus Rdrivera did not recruit Foodcoats N1.

Unless for some reason Rdrivera went back and tried again on Foodcoats on one of the other two nights, and failed to kill by some other means (docsave?), but that seems very unlikely?

Conclusion: Foodcoats or Bozo should be tomorrow's lynch.

[Vecna]

Earlier D3 damo said he respected summit's scum scan on RHK and has no reason to doubt him, votes end etc., but he keeps coming back to brainbomb, 1) saying both brain and RHK are scum and this is a gambit to get clear and 2) saying brain is being inconsistent and so votes for him. Seems needless in the situation, but it's like damo wants to boost up a counterwagon that's not RHK.

Brain's changing story regarding whether he is a straight up doc or when with the ability to consecutively save the same person is still bugging me

##vote brain

trying to distract from the fact he did the EXACT SAME THING for rdrivera

just admit your 3p convert here food. stop wasting everyones time by trying to hide the obvious.

neph is gonna get a confirmable answer regardless if he asks the right question to the gm

[Vecna]

Very interesting. This strongly suggests that Neph is town. Since town actions activate first.

Oh shit that's a really good point.

I mean, Neph was pretty much guaranteed to be town anyway.

We know xorx was jailed N2. So, inferring from this:

If xorx were scum, scum!Neph wouldn't want to jail his teammate when they have a Doctor who can protect him
If xorx were town, scum!Neph wouldn't want to jail him when scum could have just killed him outright.

Or maybe scum xorxes being jailed is the reason

THERE WAS NO NK from SCUM N2

ding-ding-ding

we have a winner

his name is vecna

[Vecna]

Xorxes would always volunteer to do NK's as scum because he know people get suspicious anyway if he survives too long.

That is also the reason why he did the outting on Rdrivera. Scum needed to get him lynched, because they cannot win otherwise.

Xorxes = scum

[foodcoats]

With two 3P and rdrivera's ability to recruit others to 3P, I think it is still likely there are just 3 mafia left. I think damo, Squigs, Temasek still fits.

Why Temasek? I've learned over all his recent games that he just says sh*t that seems off to all of us, and gets scumread for it. And then is always town (or once was that 3P neutral). Is it because of Sarah?

Temasek has been scum before and gotten away with this. I think Temasek's weird line about rdr was maybe prepping for a townflip, since scum!Tem would assume rdr was town and was looking to build credit since he's fresh into the game.

I think Tem should be lynched after damo and Squigs, because they are more overtly scummy and easier to read, but I still think it's a good shot Tem is scum.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Vecna: I think Foodcoats is scum, not converted 3P.

On which night do you surmise his conversion took place?

It cannot have occurred N1.

[Vecna]

My next point

LR could be scum

If LR was town N1 use only there could easily be another town RB with restricted use.

Here damo considers roles are not alignment indicative.

@Vecna am I right in saying your ability is spent and you are now effectively VT. I think you implied this but cannot find it.

Here he just accepts vecna is town.

At no point does he provide any reasoning for the switch other than vecna's claim.

Actually neph, good points here.

He mightve been sent to prod me about my ability.

Scum probably predicted that if I still had charges left, id claim that I was out of charges and that if I was out of charges id claim I still had charges left.

So predictable. I claimed no charges because I knew it would make them think that I was still dangerous.

Shit, did I just provide reasoning why brain might actually be town?

We cant have that

ignore this post!

[Vecna]

@Vecna: I think Foodcoats is scum, not converted 3P.

On which night do you surmise his conversion took place?

It cannot have occurred N1.

it did happen N1

neph will confirm it soon enough via gm question

[xorxes]

Food confirmed he is a roleblocker way back when

Well I'm not sure I buy that.

Sort of interesting he stated that way back when huh?

Hint: its because he was already aware of the inquisitor role after getting recruited.

LR is not a roleblocking action BY ANY LOGIC EVER

That has always seemed strange to me. It is similar to a roleblock in that it interferes with the intended action, but doesn't really roleblock anything. Bus Driver is similar and is considered a Protective in TheMarche's role.

[Vecna]

The final bit of evidence as well? His rapid switch from RHK to me. Yes the vote was invalid but the logic behind it? More likely S than T

awesome.

its good to finally have you back neph.

this game is almost solved

[Vecna]

Scum team
- RHK (Dead)
- Vecna
- Damo
- squigs > Tem

wait, wut?

[xorxes]

It seemed likely to me, but also seemed like possibly a NPC (non-player character). They weren't actually *on* the island or have a watch I think. So it wasn't clear to me if they had enough skin in the game to be on scum team.

Mastermind is clearly worcej's role. That's how I've been interpreting it.

Why would the inquisitor be a nuisance to the GM?

read the rdrivera flip again

Third party is described as a nuisance in the opening flavor, I think.

[xorxes]

Oh shit that's a really good point.

I mean, Neph was pretty much guaranteed to be town anyway.

We know xorx was jailed N2. So, inferring from this:

If xorx were scum, scum!Neph wouldn't want to jail his teammate when they have a Doctor who can protect him
If xorx were town, scum!Neph wouldn't want to jail him when scum could have just killed him outright.

Or maybe scum xorxes being jailed is the reason

THERE WAS NO NK from SCUM N2

ding-ding-ding

we have a winner

his name is vecna

If there were no NK's from scum it's because they must have tried to kill me that night, which makes sense.

[Vecna]

Ok I agree with Vecna.

I already said, there's no way Lightning Bolt is a roleblock action because it quite literally doesn't block actions it just redirects them. The actions still occur.

So, as Vecna has said, there is no way Foodcoats is town.

He must surely be scum, though. Because Jailor is a roleblock action. So on N1 when Rdrivera was redirected onto Foodcoats, the Jailor prevented the kill. The Role PM says "If your kill action is prevented via a role-block type action, your target will not be recruited." Thus Rdrivera did not recruit Foodcoats N1.

Unless for some reason Rdrivera went back and tried again on Foodcoats on one of the other two nights, and failed to kill by some other means (docsave?), but that seems very unlikely?

Conclusion: Foodcoats or Bozo should be tomorrow's lynch.

it says if your kill ACTION is prevented. Ergo, if the inquisitor got roleblocked themselves.

if their KILL got prevented by a roleblock action is differnet.

As xorxes said, its a bit ambiguous, but if neph asks the right question to the GM, this is definitely one that he will have to answer

[foodcoats]

anyways foodcoats is completely powerless if I understood the flip correctly, and most likely alone in a faction

It looks like the only way he can maybe -draw- is if he gets to a 1v1 situation with a towny.

If town gets eliminated and he remains left-over with even 1 scum member, he auto loses since he cannot eliminate them.

So...probably in his best interest to push for a draw and scumhunt.

Foodcoats: spill the beans

I seeded some Blue Lake Bush Beans last night actually.

[Vecna]

I mean, Neph was pretty much guaranteed to be town anyway.

We know xorx was jailed N2. So, inferring from this:

If xorx were scum, scum!Neph wouldn't want to jail his teammate when they have a Doctor who can protect him
If xorx were town, scum!Neph wouldn't want to jail him when scum could have just killed him outright.

Or maybe scum xorxes being jailed is the reason

THERE WAS NO NK from SCUM N2

ding-ding-ding

we have a winner

his name is vecna

If there were no NK's from scum it's because they must have tried to kill me that night, which makes sense.

does it though? You were tunneling pretty hard on EMC and not contributing much else.

Theres 4-5 options:

-Scum were trying to kill Rdrivera and it failed
-You were doing the NK and got jailed
-Scum were trying to kill you
-Something else interupted their kill that we do not know about,
(or im wrong about the flavour for choking being the inQ)

Scum targeting you that night feels like the very least likely to me. Sorry

Especially given the peculiarity that so much activity went on surrounding you. And that it just happens to be you the next day catching Rdrivera.

Sorry if youre town and you just saved us, and everything in that hood is suddenly honky-dorey and town at its finest, but im not buying any of this.

[foodcoats]

What about rivera's original N1 target?

Might they not have been recruited?

If the SK dies with rdr any recruits cannot win. That seems badly designed. I am assuming there just might still be an SK out there.

Yeah, its really odd that the inquisitor got a free recruit with a LR + jailkeeper in place

This is an assumption. Jail is a roleblock, that's why I didn't join the Inquisition.

If I had gotten recruited I'd have been playing it to the hilt just for the flavour:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgeMTfoqBds

I also would've flipped the tables on xorxes instead of "getting it" and lynching rdr.

[Vecna]

something fluffy is going on here

Maybe scum got recruited N1 and emc had to die so the hood could be used for communication between 3p/scum (but jamiet would be in the way of that? You are in there right jamiet?)

im sniffing bullshit

sniff-sniff

sniff

This night sure is going to be interesting