M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[Chaqa]

I’ll type up some stuff when I get back from taking one of the dogs to the vet

[Jamiet99uk]

@Vecna:

Just to be clear, you actually think Brainbomb's role is Interceptor?

[foodcoats]

like maybe some magical things happened that brainbomb did that im unaware of, but else this feels like a strong case of people just using T1 logic to try and read a multi-dimensional wizard level player.

Brainbomb as scum is the craziest mafia player you will have ever encountered. You cannot read him using conventional means. You have to look at his plan. Deduce why he did things. Find out his gimmick and what makes him tick and what hes trying to achieve this game. Find out where he suddenly got an impulse to try something new and exciting.

Ive outlined all these things. But people are unwilling to see it for what it very well could be.

Why would scum RHK want to cc brainbomb? Answer me this

Why would brainbomb claim a docsave on summit riiiight at the moment summit is about to claim a cop guilty on the person that is cc'ing brainbomb?

Can you guys seriously not see the implications here? After brainbomb has been softing all game a role that can view the RESULTS OF NIGHT ACTIONS from people?

Softing a role like that as town doctor? A role that can be a backup to any town role?

If there is a town cop, the role brainbomb was softing could GET THE COP RESULT even if the cop was outed and about to die. The same for the tracker. The same for the watcher. This role is infinately more powerful than a doctor. Its stronger than a universal backup.

Yet brainbomb was softing that while he's claiming to be a doctor. Those softs would ATTRACT nightkills like crazy.

Why would scum soft their role?

[foodcoats]

Rdrivera's claim strikes me as plausible.

Xorxes claiming some kind of guilty on him, but refusing to elaborate and just demanding town trust him for unspecified reasons? Nah. Fuck that.

##VOTE XORXES

Are you only voting xorxes because xorxes does not want to fully elaborate his intel on rdr?

[xorxes]

im just going to debate with people why theyre townreading brainbomb.

What about the way he has played, claimed, survived and not done anything useful with his role whatsoever makes people believe him?

chaqa, you can stay out of it, or you can puke, I dont really care

brainbomb spoke of patching up someone on D1.

RHK's doctor role describes him as patching people up.

To me that gives credibility to brain's doctor claim. It doesn't mean town doctor, but a second mafia doctor is hard to believe. 3P doctor is a possibility, but less likely than town doctor.

His somewhat erratic, sometimes absent, sometimes binge isoing, play is perfectly consistent with his town play, especially of late (very similar to last game).

I still don't understand how you get to Interceptor from his dream and omnipotent quotes. Or how it explains anything he did.

[rdrivera2005]

Xorxes said he had intel that depending on rdr's claim would finger him as scum or not. When rdr claimed and then clarified under request that he also had a unicorn, xorxes then said he could "guarantee" that rdr is scum.

The unicorn was a joke, just to make it clear as he keeps pushing me to claim something else.

@Summit - That comment to Nepthys was my "subtle" way to claim my role. If you look, no one have talked about Buletproof before.
It also one of the reasons I suspected so much Vecna after his claim, I find hard to believe town has two roles that can't be killed. In my case, I clarified with GM that I can't be shoot either (at least at first time), just lynched.

I'm aware the unicorn was a joke. My daughter loves unicorns so I've been trained to fixate on them.

That is an interesting point about 2 roles that can't be shot if you and vecna are both truthtelling townies.

My daughther also loved unicorns when she was young.

The most bizarre thing is that Xorxes claim to have a guilty on me and Temasek claims to have a clear on me and I don´t have a clue on what they are talking about. I didn´t get a single message that someone visited me, even though I will probably not get one unless someone try to kill me.

[xorxes]

@Chaqa, thanks for your trust.

I hope this watch you gave me is not some kind of ticking bomb, given how emc died last night. I'm catching up on that QT thread now, a lot of Chipotle to read there.

[xorxes]

The most bizarre thing is that Xorxes claim to have a guilty on me and Temasek claims to have a clear on me and I don´t have a clue on what they are talking about. I didn´t get a single message that someone visited me, even though I will probably not get one unless someone try to kill me.

Just to be clear: I do not claim to have a guilty on you. I claim that if all you have to claim is bulletproof, then you're lying, and therefore I conclude that you must be scum.

I am very interested in hearing Tem's information as well. He should definitely tell us what it is, or at least clarify what he meant.

[foodcoats]

The most bizarre thing is that Xorxes claim to have a guilty on me and Temasek claims to have a clear on me and I don´t have a clue on what they are talking about. I didn´t get a single message that someone visited me, even though I will probably not get one unless someone try to kill me.

Just to be clear: I do not claim to have a guilty on you. I claim that if all you have to claim is bulletproof, then you're lying, and therefore I conclude that you must be scum.

I am very interested in hearing Tem's information as well. He should definitely tell us what it is, or at least clarify what he meant.

Is it possible that rdr is an SK with some kind of vest or other protective ability? This would explain why rdr felt okay reading Neph as bulletproof - I don't think bulletproof!rdr would ever do that, it's a bit too weird - it would explain why xorxes has a read of some kind, because xorxes has seen either movement or an object, and it would explain the second NK.

[Chaqa]

So you think rd is likely falsely claiming so you agree with xorx but find his play concerning?

Hmm. I didn't realise bulletproof meant you couldn't be nightkilled by mafia. That is quite strong.

rdrivera day 2 page 151 replying to nephthys "Why people are playing this way? I have a feeling Nephtys is bulletproof or something like that, but it's not a good play to attarct the lynch this way as it kills info."

I don't see anything in his play that would look like it's trying to exploit this role, except that he didn't like the idea of massclaiming early.

That is a good catch:

So your saying in a game that’s roughly 4:1 I’d 1:1 with someone as scum?

Why people are playing this way? I have a feeling Nephtys is bulletproof or something like that, but it's not good play to attract the lynch this way as it kills info.

And Damo suggestion is non-sense, but at least it looks regular town Dqmo, lol.

Why would rdrivera think Nephthys might be bulletproof if he was town bulletproof?

I must have missed this post. Seems solid to me.

[Chaqa]

I mean, If I know worcej, he probably has some sort of anti-mass-claim stuff in here, so likely we do not want to do that.

Brainbomb, Jamiet, would the two of you like to have a room to work out all your sexual tension?

I'm not sure if I like this post. The people most scared of a massclaim are scum.

Do you think worcej is especially good at anti-mass-claim stuff? The last few role madness games GMs thought they had it all worked out but all turned out to be pretty massclaim favorable.

Curious about why xorxes is almost last to hardclaim since this was p5

His reluctance to claim has struck me as odd given how pro-massclaim he was earlier.

[foodcoats]

Also, an SK explains why scum needed a Doctor. We don't know who DemonRHK saved with his ability. N1, the SK would've failed due to my lightning rod ability; N2, rdr could've gone for xorxes and failed (xorxes being a worthy opponent, irrespective of alignment) or RHK might've protected one of the scum that SK!rdr happened to target.

[Jamiet99uk]

Rdrivera's claim strikes me as plausible.

Xorxes claiming some kind of guilty on him, but refusing to elaborate and just demanding town trust him for unspecified reasons? Nah. Fuck that.

##VOTE XORXES

Are you only voting xorxes because xorxes does not want to fully elaborate his intel on rdr?

No, not only that, but that's part of it for sure.

It's also that he's the counterwagon to Rdrivera whose claim I find plausible.

It's also bothering me how Neph went from a "top scumread" to one of Xorxes' top townreads in the space of a day, but the only explanation Xorxes gave of suddenly townreading Neph was "because of extreme goofiness".

I also don't like how on N3 Xorxes was happy to assume the Jailor was a scum role, but as soon as Neph declared himself Town Jailor, Xorxes just smiled and nodded and swallowed this as perfectly fine and didn't feel the need to ask any questions about it and just concentrated on pushing Rdrivera instead.

[Jamiet99uk]

The most bizarre thing is that Xorxes claim to have a guilty on me and Temasek claims to have a clear on me and I don´t have a clue on what they are talking about. I didn´t get a single message that someone visited me, even though I will probably not get one unless someone try to kill me.

Just to be clear: I do not claim to have a guilty on you. I claim that if all you have to claim is bulletproof, then you're lying, and therefore I conclude that you must be scum.

Whoa, whoah, whoooaaahhh.

Seriously back-pedalling here by Xorxes.

He earlier claimed to have a result on Rdrivera.

Look:

Xorx are you a gun cop or something

I don't want to reveal exactly what my ability is, but I can guarantee that the result I got means rivera is scum given his claim.

[Jamiet99uk]

Okay I'm pretty sure that Xorxes is scum, looking at all that.

[Chaqa]

@Chaqa, thanks for your trust.

I hope this watch you gave me is not some kind of ticking bomb, given how emc died last night. I'm catching up on that QT thread now, a lot of Chipotle to read there.

heheh... wouldn't that be a rub if I turned out to be a 3P with the ability to explode the watches I give out?

A man can dream.

[foodcoats]

It said summit was not in need of my services

I now have brain as conf town and will follow him to the grave.

Explain why that is

It is indeed incredibly bizarre that DemonRHK would call brain conf-town in the midst of the claiming debacle in which he was the scum doctor. If he knew that he was supposed to counterclaim brain and sacrifice himself, as Vecna posits, why would he do this? Wouldn't he instead fight against brain in order to make brain's fake-doctor-claim more believable when he was ultimately martyred for the scum team?

I think RHK thought he could get away with claiming a non-scum doctor role. It might seem silly in retrospect but Demon had said on D1 something to the effect of "role madness is crazy, there might even be duplicates of roles!" as if worried this might come up later and he might need to claim doctor and try to survive a counterclaim.

[xorxes]

I'm not sure if I like this post. The people most scared of a massclaim are scum.

Do you think worcej is especially good at anti-mass-claim stuff? The last few role madness games GMs thought they had it all worked out but all turned out to be pretty massclaim favorable.

Curious about why xorxes is almost last to hardclaim since this was p5

His reluctance to claim has struck me as odd given how pro-massclaim he was earlier.

I have already explained that massclaim only made sense D1 before scum had time to talk. It doesn't help now. It probably doesn't hurt either if anyone wants to claim their role for whatever reason. In my case, it may be worth keeping it a secret for one more day. I will tell you my full role tonight in the QT.

[BunnyGo]

like maybe some magical things happened that brainbomb did that im unaware of, but else this feels like a strong case of people just using T1 logic to try and read a multi-dimensional wizard level player.

Brainbomb as scum is the craziest mafia player you will have ever encountered. You cannot read him using conventional means. You have to look at his plan. Deduce why he did things. Find out his gimmick and what makes him tick and what hes trying to achieve this game. Find out where he suddenly got an impulse to try something new and exciting.

Ive outlined all these things. But people are unwilling to see it for what it very well could be.

Why would scum RHK want to cc brainbomb? Answer me this

Why would brainbomb claim a docsave on summit riiiight at the moment summit is about to claim a cop guilty on the person that is cc'ing brainbomb?

Can you guys seriously not see the implications here? After brainbomb has been softing all game a role that can view the RESULTS OF NIGHT ACTIONS from people?

Softing a role like that as town doctor? A role that can be a backup to any town role?

If there is a town cop, the role brainbomb was softing could GET THE COP RESULT even if the cop was outed and about to die. The same for the tracker. The same for the watcher. This role is infinately more powerful than a doctor. Its stronger than a universal backup.

Yet brainbomb was softing that while he's claiming to be a doctor. Those softs would ATTRACT nightkills like crazy.

This is all interesting. But I still don’t understand why RHK would CC brain bomb in these circumstances. Are you suggesting they purposely set up a S v S counterclaim to give brainbomb cover?

[Chaqa]

Okay I'm pretty sure that Xorxes is scum, looking at all that.

I actually read xorxes to mean he had some non-scan action that didn't make sense if rivera was Bulletproof.

TBH I think xorxes is saying he's a gunsmith and rivera has a killing action.

Serial Killer with bulletproof makes sense.