M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[bozotheclown]

Nephthys defended DemonRHK a few times:

I actually think that RHK games some incredibly good points.



This post is actually rather good. This would indicate that it's likely scum that were pushing the massclaim (need to check who) as, assuming they have day chat. It would work heavily in their favour.

I can follow where he's coming from and also like his pick on the VCA.

I can place him a P I L E of town

I asked Demon this, but I think he never answered. Since you liked his post maybe you can answer for him. How does the 1-10 question suggest that there is scum day-chat?

my understanding

He thought donny was scum
Donny had pushed some form of masslcaim
That makes the most sense if there is a daychat.

I think it's a nice take on it.

So do you think brainbomb and DemonRHK are relatively clear?

No, I think brainbomb is town and Demon is scum.

Just to get this straight, you don't see why RHK would lie about have a protective role but still think he's scum?

[foodcoats]

Foodc! I see you there. Come closer and caress Chaq's conspiracy off of me.

I was working on iso'ing Donny and RHK and yourself and RHK and reviewing your actions in the QT.

With my tinfoil hat on, it's not crazy that Donny could've been scum Tracker and emc took that role. I didn't believe it because I didn't believe in a scum Tracker, but we just lynched a scum Doctor which is absurd, so.

Reading Donny and RHK's interactions D1, Donny consistently scumread Demon and Demon consistently (though, through very few posts) scumread Donny. Demon calls Donny scum - so Donny and Demon calling each other scum - and Demon puts Donny in a scum troupe with me and Marche, both known town (at least, I know I am town):

Holy fuck content.

So I don't like a ton of stuff Donny has done. He had that whole weird flash to no lynch to suicide vote line. At first I was on clueless town, then newb-scum, then too dumb to be scum but he's reaching DammDan levels of super overt.

Rdr has been lazy sitting on Sarah and almost everything was focused there, BUT, he hasn't posted in a while and I misread rdr all the damn time.

food is rubbing me the wrong way. He piled on Sarah and then jumped back onto fox the next time he was back.

I don't have the bias against Sarah many of you have, so I don't see scummy, mostly...disinterested? Lazy? Like I get Durga vibes here on playstyle. And most of this pressure is policy not scumreading, which breaks down to I don't care if I kill someone I think could be town.

My three up three down:
Brain, Kgrey, and Vecna town
food, Donny, and Marche scum

##Vote foodcoats

Donny left Demon out of an "attention: lurkers" post that brainbomb called him on:

I would like to call attention to Bismark's one post
Also Summit and Flash
They seem to either be busy or lurking and I for one would like their thoughts because of their lack of participation

why isnt DemonRHK mentioned here. hes a 6 poster and not a newb. you also previously agreed he should be shot

There were the top 3 non posters
Add Demon to this also

Also in Donny's big list, clipping here so you can follow back with the arrow.

Alright the reread has cleared my head.

Demon seemed to move swiftly onto Donny wagon, but Demon was lurking hard so there was no wiffling/waffling... but he made the vote in position 8, which is one of those votes that I see as attractive to scum for bussing.

Yea that's a hell of a catch. I don't know of any other place that references a daychat role as a secretary.

The strange flighty voting makes a loooot more sense now.

## Vote Donny

He and brain discuss who is scum on his wagon. We know two of his possibles are town (Marche and summit). We know one of his presumed scum was Demon.

who are scum voting you donny
names

Donny Dude (14)
bozotheclown Nephthys Vecna Jamiet99uk Foxcastle dargorygel Chaqa DemonRHK damo666 e.m.c^42 TheMarche flash2015 xorxes summit_fever

Out of those Fox
Bozo
Demon
Damo
Possibly
Marche
Nepth
Flash
Summit

So, it's certainly possible they were scum based on this. D3, though, I don't think that emc's attitude toward Demon suggested they were on the same team. But, emc only joined the wagon at position 9, and later moved off the wagon onto Neph, where he ended the day.

And, this is pretty much the only interaction emc and Demon have on D2. emc, now in tryhard mode, putting on his coaching hat for his new scumbuddy?

Sure thing, I'm refreshing between rounds of call of doooooty

Completely caught up yet? If so, updates maybe to your EoN reads?

Food is of course off my list. Chaqa is back up the reads as well after how D2 has progressed.

Fox has been low activity and unusually opportunistic. Kinda just piled on the wagon on the back of other people's work.

Xorx still rubs me wrong, but it could just be a bad tunnel. Or he's right and you're playing us.

Bismarck is rapidly going from clueless to purposely unhelpful.

bozo is on the sidelines and has a massive hate-boner for sarah it seems like.

The QT stuff still feels pretty genuine to me but that's a gut-read. emc could certainly be scum there.

Not sure any of this actually matters... I don't think I'm going to vote to lynch emc any time soon. But... I had to do this exercise and broaden my horizons a bit. With a scum doctor, obviously I am underestimating how wild Mafia can get.

[brainbomb]

Jamie when you get a chance can you explain why you advocated shooting RHK

[brainbomb]

Also this post by Temasek is an eyebrow raise

I've just reread Sarah's game so far via peterbot, and I can say with confidence that if the GM didn't send me a role PM I'd be expecting to be in the scumteam.

I had to reread this a few times. but I think its actually okay

[brainbomb]

↑summit_fever: "I'm a new player, and quite confused but this is a very short tl;dr

Day 1: Donny lynched due to mentioning secretary ro..."

Ah, alright. This is quite a good TL:DR for D1 that I have read, so I'm inclined to believe you? Idk, how has my predecessor done?

Page 282 : g=55&part=Night%203&user=Temasek22

This gives me less confidence and feels more like Temasek checked in at wolfden central and said "anything I need to know?" and they said "summit is cop".

[Chaqa]

???

@EMC: can you stop +1ing lol

I don’t think he can.thats the point.

Lol I have already for a phase, that not enough?

I must have missed that. I'd like if you could stop for the rest of the game just to prove a point lol

[Chaqa]

He was being an ass about me joining and asking for help. He seemed on edge. It was a gut/snap/policy thing. I moved to EMC when I found out he missed a vote (violated parole) and cheated. I don’t like that.

My major concerns right now:

1) EMC. I don’t believe he’s being entirely truthful about his role. Why is he upvoting things? Why have a 3P who just steals a role? That’s dumb. But a skin walker. Someone who perverts things or has a power...I think he’s hiding stuff and I don’t believe he’s town.

2) Vecna. I do understand town!Vecna wanting to bait a scum to visit. But Vecna is clever. He’d just bait them with a claim (heavy heavy crumbing) of an obviously strong PR. I do understand scum!Vecna playing this way. So it’s concerning.

I’m sure there are more things. But those are the two mechanics ones that jump at me. I’ll post next about my “feelings/listening” ones.

1 - EMC did not miss a vote.
2 - EMC's +1ing is not alignment-indicative and I was also +1ing everything. He +1s literally EVERY POST on the ENTIRE FORUM, mafia is no different except that it's normally not allowed.

What was the point of saying you needed someone to +1 one of your posts before you could invite them to your QT?

Originally I was saying I could only open one QT with someone who had mutually +1'd me. Hence, EMC. It was cover so scum wouldn't know I was assembling a town core in my QT.

I covered this already. Marking the fifth or sixth, at least, time you're asking something that's already been covered in detail.

[brainbomb]

bozo vs sarah/temasek looks like a decent spot to resolve d4

[Chaqa]

bozo vs sarah/temasek looks like a decent spot to resolve d4

I won't vote for Temasek right now.

Only lynches I'll consider *tomorrow* barring a guilty scan are Neph, Bozo, or Damo.

[brainbomb]

bozo vs sarah/temasek looks like a decent spot to resolve d4

I won't vote for Temasek right now.

Only lynches I'll consider *tomorrow* barring a guilty scan are Neph, Bozo, or Damo.

what do you find scummy from bozo

[brainbomb]

also did you read my concerns with jamie

[brainbomb]

Jamies style of bussing is to act sure a partner is scum but then drop them off his radar.

[BunnyGo]

I certainly hope that you aren't intentionally focusing on 3P and karma mechs as an excuse to avoid other sorts of engagement lol

Have I not been engaging? I have a chip on my shoulder about firefly though. I admit it.

[BunnyGo]

I appreciate the sentiment, I may not be on much until rest of night; hence my thoughts now. I think (again on phone so doing all from memory) you lied to me when I first showed up about my predecessor claiming. I felt confused about whether I was supposed to claim my role or not. So, why did you think it was pro-town, just to get me to reveal my role under deceptive situation?

I answered this already. I wanted to check you'd read Foxcastle's ISO, and I wanted to see how you would react.
You reacted very quickly to show that you had read Fox carefully and you were very well aware he hadn't claimed. This indicated something to me, which I will expand on in due course.

I think you were among the group trying to get a flash wagon on Neph when we had RHK nailed, why?

Damn right I did. Neph was behaving extremely weird and hinting that he didn't care if he was lynched. I wanted to see how he would react to becoming a significant wagon. Interestingly, he reacted by joining his own wagon and continuing to dick about.

I think Neph may be a Scum-aligned Suicide Bomber or similar.

Without mechanics, who are your top scum/town reads and why? What about their posts make you feel that way?

I can't give you reads entirely free from mechanics because this is a very mechanics-heavy setup. I might as well ask you "give me your top 5 town and scum reads without considering posts or votes".

However, my top townreads (and brief reasons) are as follows:

Chaqa - I have proof he is Neighbourizer and I am confident this is a Town role.

SummitFever - I believe his Cop claim especially as DemonRHK's flip would seem to vindicate his scan claim.

Brainbomb - Again, mechanics, but I can't believe Scum would have two Doctors. That would be mental.

My top Scumreads are Neph (as already discussed) and Bozotheclown. I'm trying to work out if Vecna is scummy or just crazy whirlwind tinfoil town. Foodcoats is also on my radar. Temasek has one phase to prove that SarahK was just a lost newb and not lurking scum. I'll say more about my scumreads at EoN.

Full disclosure: I STILL haven’t read Fox ISO.

[brainbomb]

I cant read you so far bunny. you seem very swept away by all the craziness if this game. which seemz towny

[brainbomb]

being a sub in this would be wild

[BunnyGo]

I cant read you so far bunny. you seem very swept away by all the craziness if this game. which seemz towny

It seems nobody ever can read me. This is anti-town. I try REALLY hard to wear my heart on my sleeve. I post quickly. I think hard. I read a lot. But I have trouble conveying myself to the group somehow.

Please give suggestions how I can help this, it’s among the weakest part of my game. I was so sure I was screaming “I am town” in the mini game and got lynched day 1.

[BunnyGo]

being a sub in this would be wild

That’s one way to describe it.

[summit_fever]

Should I not make it good luck to town.

Chaqa page 198

Flash - claim your role?

I’m glad I lived. I’m assuming I was bus driven with someone, though can’t say for sure.

Anyone want to be my neighbor? lol

I might just add someone and not say who

Really wants to create the impression he's fearing a nightkill. It looked like TheMarche crumbed his bus driving role and his target I believe was Brainbomb. Should this be true Brain was the intended night 2 mafia taret. Why is Chaqa's first post on day 3 trying to suggest he was bus driven?

↑Jamiet99uk: "Flash should confirm who he tried to visit.

Then that person should confirm whether or not they were jailed."

Agreed. Solid town idea.

In a way I’m glad kgray died, as she was someone I had a hard time deciding if was town or not.

I think we should lynch Sarah or Neph or Fox at this point. Maybe Bozo.

I think this post just stinks. Happy a townmember died? Kgray was hard to read? Not buying it.

Brain came up with harebrained reasoning to lynch Fox on day 2. DemonRHK jumped on that wagon with:

I can can follow and be happy with that wagon.

Chaqa:

page 143

I could get behind an RHK wagon today. Or Flash.

Fox and Vecna I’m fine leaving be for now

page 146

I think Vecna is more likely scum than Fox.

Night 2 page 193

Fox - Null. Possible scum/3P

Day 3 page 201

I think we should lynch Sarah or Neph or Fox at this point. Maybe Bozo.

page 206

This list seems rather solid, tbh. Maybe Bozo is good?

I would say our vote today should b in the group:
Bozo
Dargo
Fox
Neph
Sarah

​ Willing to give damo and xorx and brain a day yet.



page 235

If we vote for Fox, someone will claim we're bullying him for IRL reasons.

What about ##Vote damo

He's been coasting and lurking hard

[summit_fever]

That snide remark to get off any thoughts of lynching Fox rubbed me the wrong way at the time. Feeling more confident that was the right reaction.