M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[e.m.c^42]

Putting asides his QT/role and all that, I don't believe Chaqa tries this hard as scum, so as much as he may be flailing at times as we all do it's town-indicative I would say. He's also much more self deprecating when scum. All in all tinfoiling that he's a scum passing off due to his role seems mostly misleading imo.

[BunnyGo]

Jamie I don’t get. But that may be me not listening correctly. I just don’t get what he’s trying to do/say/think and that worries me.

Please help me to help you.

Ask me questions.

What have I done to cause you confusion?

I appreciate the sentiment, I may not be on much until rest of night; hence my thoughts now. I think (again on phone so doing all from memory) you lied to me when I first showed up about my predecessor claiming. I felt confused about whether I was supposed to claim my role or not. So, why did you think it was pro-town, just to get me to reveal my role under deceptive situation?

I think you were among the group trying to get a flash wagon on Neph when we had RHK nailed, why?

Without mechanics, who are your top scum/town reads and why? What about their posts make you feel that way?

[bozotheclown]

Here are 3 thing I find questionable that no one else seems to care much about:

Also ##vote food.

Could you explain how do you think a Lighting Rod is scum or do you think Brain and Jamiet are also scum and lying about it?
I am starting to feel as you are faking this confusion.

I think that, like everyone role madness I'm aware of (41,47) including one of which I GMed, the roles, for the most part, are not tied to alignment. They are rolled independently

Nephthys said something that is not true about M47 to explain his vote for foodcoats, and his first explanation as to why, that he changed the setup in response to controversy during the game signup period, was not true either.

If flavor is representative of roles, was a lightning rod used?

I would actually be really disappointed in worcej if he's using flavor to relay actual information.

On D2, Chaqa did not seem to have any problem with the Lightning Rod being implied by the flavor, but on D3 he posted a number of times about his objection to the flavor providing information.

I claim Town Protective.

I also have another ability which can be triggered in specific circumstances which I do not wish to reveal.

##VOTE BOZOTHECLOWN

Didn't find out last night, maybe find out today.

Jamie indicated he was trying to determine my alignment N1, and he seemed suspicious of me N1, so it does not seem likely he was trying to protect me. So far Jamie has ignored requests to explain this. Also, the way Jamie described his role, its sounds similar enough to a doctor to wonder why town would also have a doctor.

[BunnyGo]

I believe you may be a little bit mistaken on what exactly I've done and not done this game but okay, lol

I very much may be. Hard to jump in with 260 pages and closed role madness.

[BunnyGo]

I see that you exchanged some messages with DemonRHK, but he never mentioned you by name. Why did you vote for him the first time?

He was being an ass about me joining and asking for help. He seemed on edge. It was a gut/snap/policy thing. I moved to EMC when I found out he missed a vote (violated parole) and cheated. I don’t like that.

My major concerns right now:

1) EMC. I don’t believe he’s being entirely truthful about his role. Why is he upvoting things? Why have a 3P who just steals a role? That’s dumb. But a skin walker. Someone who perverts things or has a power...I think he’s hiding stuff and I don’t believe he’s town.

2) Vecna. I do understand town!Vecna wanting to bait a scum to visit. But Vecna is clever. He’d just bait them with a claim (heavy heavy crumbing) of an obviously strong PR. I do understand scum!Vecna playing this way. So it’s concerning.

I’m sure there are more things. But those are the two mechanics ones that jump at me. I’ll post next about my “feelings/listening” ones.

1 - EMC did not miss a vote.
2 - EMC's +1ing is not alignment-indicative and I was also +1ing everything. He +1s literally EVERY POST on the ENTIRE FORUM, mafia is no different except that it's normally not allowed.

Fine. But there’s something up with why it’s allowed this game. Why not STOP plussing and take a close look at the only people continuing to plus. Ignoring this easily exploited mechanic hacking is again towns downfall.

I apologize unreservedly about the slander of EMCs voting

[BunnyGo]

Even a simple look at the bot would tell you he didn't miss a vote...

I don’t have bot at moment.

[BunnyGo]

Putting asides his QT/role and all that, I don't believe Chaqa tries this hard as scum, so as much as he may be flailing at times as we all do it's town-indicative I would say. He's also much more self deprecating when scum. All in all tinfoiling that he's a scum passing off due to his role seems mostly misleading imo.

Is this directed at me? I did say I thought he was towny. Right? It’s. YOU I don’t trust. And I think he’s got sex cult blinders on with regards to his first recruit.

[Chaqa]

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@EMC: can you stop +1ing lol

[BunnyGo]

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@EMC: can you stop +1ing lol

I don’t think he can.thats the point.

[bozotheclown]

Is that based on how you play? Or how he plays? Or what? It certainly not how *I* play.

It is based on what I would expect from DemonRHK, and probably most players, on D1. Based on my experience, DemonRHK is not big on bussing, at least not D1.

I found mixed data on this. On the bot, RHK was scum in M40 and did not vote for a teammate Day 1 or Day 2. However, in M28, he did vote for a teammate both on Day 1 and Day 2.

I was scum with him in M40 and I remember him avoiding bussing, but you are right, he did not seem to have a problem with it in M28.

[e.m.c^42]

Putting asides his QT/role and all that, I don't believe Chaqa tries this hard as scum, so as much as he may be flailing at times as we all do it's town-indicative I would say. He's also much more self deprecating when scum. All in all tinfoiling that he's a scum passing off due to his role seems mostly misleading imo.

Is this directed at me? I did say I thought he was towny. Right? It’s. YOU I don’t trust. And I think he’s got sex cult blinders on with regards to his first recruit.

Nah, I was skimming back and saw "Chaqa is scum!Neighborizer" tinfoils that I felt were just theorising for the sake of theorising rather than solving, since that would be overlooking everything else he's done so far.

[e.m.c^42]

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@EMC: can you stop +1ing lol

I don’t think he can.thats the point.

Lol I have already for a phase, that not enough?

[e.m.c^42]

But for your peace of mind sure.

[e.m.c^42]

I certainly hope that you aren't intentionally focusing on 3P and karma mechs as an excuse to avoid other sorts of engagement lol

[bozotheclown]

I see that you exchanged some messages with DemonRHK, but he never mentioned you by name. Why did you vote for him the first time?

He was being an ass about me joining and asking for help. He seemed on edge. It was a gut/snap/policy thing. I moved to EMC when I found out he missed a vote (violated parole) and cheated. I don’t like that.

My major concerns right now:

1) EMC. I don’t believe he’s being entirely truthful about his role. Why is he upvoting things? Why have a 3P who just steals a role? That’s dumb. But a skin walker. Someone who perverts things or has a power...I think he’s hiding stuff and I don’t believe he’s town.

2) Vecna. I do understand town!Vecna wanting to bait a scum to visit. But Vecna is clever. He’d just bait them with a claim (heavy heavy crumbing) of an obviously strong PR. I do understand scum!Vecna playing this way. So it’s concerning.

I’m sure there are more things. But those are the two mechanics ones that jump at me. I’ll post next about my “feelings/listening” ones.

1 - EMC did not miss a vote.
2 - EMC's +1ing is not alignment-indicative and I was also +1ing everything. He +1s literally EVERY POST on the ENTIRE FORUM, mafia is no different except that it's normally not allowed.

What was the point of saying you needed someone to +1 one of your posts before you could invite them to your QT?

[e.m.c^42]

Bozo, I believe he already said that it was an attempt to hide full mechs of role?

[e.m.c^42]

Bozo, I believe he already said that it was an attempt to hide full mechs of role?

But on the off chance that he said it in QT and not in-thread I get why you are asking lol

[e.m.c^42]

Or not mechs but exact role, slightly different wording

[Jamiet99uk]

I appreciate the sentiment, I may not be on much until rest of night; hence my thoughts now. I think (again on phone so doing all from memory) you lied to me when I first showed up about my predecessor claiming. I felt confused about whether I was supposed to claim my role or not. So, why did you think it was pro-town, just to get me to reveal my role under deceptive situation?

I answered this already. I wanted to check you'd read Foxcastle's ISO, and I wanted to see how you would react.
You reacted very quickly to show that you had read Fox carefully and you were very well aware he hadn't claimed. This indicated something to me, which I will expand on in due course.

I think you were among the group trying to get a flash wagon on Neph when we had RHK nailed, why?

Damn right I did. Neph was behaving extremely weird and hinting that he didn't care if he was lynched. I wanted to see how he would react to becoming a significant wagon. Interestingly, he reacted by joining his own wagon and continuing to dick about.

I think Neph may be a Scum-aligned Suicide Bomber or similar.

Without mechanics, who are your top scum/town reads and why? What about their posts make you feel that way?

I can't give you reads entirely free from mechanics because this is a very mechanics-heavy setup. I might as well ask you "give me your top 5 town and scum reads without considering posts or votes".

However, my top townreads (and brief reasons) are as follows:

Chaqa - I have proof he is Neighbourizer and I am confident this is a Town role.

SummitFever - I believe his Cop claim especially as DemonRHK's flip would seem to vindicate his scan claim.

Brainbomb - Again, mechanics, but I can't believe Scum would have two Doctors. That would be mental.

My top Scumreads are Neph (as already discussed) and Bozotheclown. I'm trying to work out if Vecna is scummy or just crazy whirlwind tinfoil town. Foodcoats is also on my radar. Temasek has one phase to prove that SarahK was just a lost newb and not lurking scum. I'll say more about my scumreads at EoN.

[e.m.c^42]

Foodc! I see you there. Come closer and caress Chaq's conspiracy off of me.