M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[Chaqa]

As it stands, here's my general read on everyone:

Core Town:
Brainbomb: I was very much reading him as scum, but after all the interactions yesterday, as well as the realization that he didn't know foodcoats was in my QT, I'm pretty sure he is the true and blue Town Doctor. RHK's scum-scan adds extra weight to this, but there is a slight potential for being wrong here due to Jamie also claiming town protective.

EMC: Everything he has done from the beginning of our conversations in our QT make me think he's town. I had a bit of a loss of faith momentarily, but I feel pretty alright that he's town given what we know about night 2 actions (or, what we suspect). If flash flips scum or something other than Watcher, this could change, but to me Flash's info at least confirms EMC is the Tracker, though he could potentially be 3P or scum yet.

Foodcoats: I thought about it a lot, and I don't see Lightning Rod being scum. Especially if, as I suspect, the Jailer is classified as a roleblocking role. If we see Jailer flip town protective, then maybe Food is scum, but until then, I have him as town.

Summit: Town Cop. I don't foresee a scum cop, though it's possible, to me he's fel town all game and his scan on RHK fits.

Lean Town:
Flash: For now, I will lean town on him. I can 100% believe town!watcher!Flash trying to keep an eye on xorxes last night, and EMC confirms he did try to visit xorxes. Given two deaths last night, we know mafia performed a kill. We also know Flash isn't the Jailer. Given all this, he's town unless Jailer is town as well, then he may be some sort of unknown scum role.

Jamiet: I would like to clear up his exact role, and I have some questions, but for now I'm still leaning town on him. Will have a more certain read after I can get his full role tonight.

Rivera: This one has the least to back it up. He's had some insightful and logical posts and it's more a gut feeling than anything. Out of everyone in this category, he's the least-strong townread.

Vecna: I believe 100% he is a Army Vet (Paranoid Gun Owner) role. I think he's more likely to be 3P than scum, and more likely to be town than 3P. He might be a decent lynch down the line, but for now he's a deterrent to scum visiting him (or anyone visiting him).

xorxes: Town or 3P, unless Jailer flips town. Enough said.

The Scum Candidates:
Bozo: I've laid out a few different thoughts on why Bozo might be scum before. The gist is that I just don't feel like he's paying much attention, and he's usually much more adept at mechanics discussions than he has been. He's probably my #1 scumread (besides RHK).

Damo: Has rubbed me wrong a lot of the game. I want to make a note that EMC has been townreading and pushing for Damo's recruitment into my QT, so if EMC flips scum, Damo is a very likely teammate.

Bunny(Dargo): Dargo was really scummy early, though I mainly was joking at first he didn't really ever get better. Bunny is incomprehensible and unapproachable as usual. Solid scum candidate.

RHK: Either 3P doctor or some scum role. Should be lynched today.

Squigs(Fox): Fox struck me as town early in the game, then disappeared. I haven't had enough from Squigs yet to say either way.

Neph: He was doing this really strange "too scummy to be scum" or "idk what's going on" bit early in the game that I still find scummy. Has improved somewhat lately. Pushing for a massclaim. Still a potential Jester/Tanner role, or maybe some sort of role that wants to die? Hard to say. Possible scum.

Sarah: Likely modkill. Probably town. Not going to say much else./

[Chaqa]

Fine. You're a very bossy sex cult leader and I don't appreciate that, but fine, have it your way, Mister Bossypants.

I claim Town Protective.

I also have another ability which can be triggered in specific circumstances which I do not wish to reveal.

Happy?

No new information has been provided.

Is your role distinct enough from Brain to not make us want to get into a CC thing here?

I do not have the same role that Brain is claiming, that's for sure. However, if his claim is true, then town does have two docsaves, since my protective ability is effectively a docsave. One detail is that, apparently, I do get told if my target is home, but I don't get told whether or not I saved them from a kill.

That is, on N1 I got told that Foodcoats was not at home. On N2 I was told that I *successfully* found Brainbomb - but I get no feedback on whether or not he required my save.

When I say I have "another ability", it is something with an effect that is not protective in nature.

Are you a Huntsman?

[Chaqa]

Let's just lynch Demon so our PRs are free to get more information tonight. Makes scum have a harder time deciding things, and we will at least be removing someone who isn't town.

On the Sarah front - I say we do NOT end vote. No reason to keep her alive.

Why do we get more info tonight if we lynch Demon?

Instead of using any PRs to confirm his role, we can have all our PRs off doing more things with more WIFOM for scum to sort out.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Chaqa: Why is Sarah listed under "scum candidates" but in your comment on her you say probably town?

[flash2015]

Let's just lynch Demon so our PRs are free to get more information tonight. Makes scum have a harder time deciding things, and we will at least be removing someone who isn't town.

On the Sarah front - I say we do NOT end vote. No reason to keep her alive.

Why do we get more info tonight if we lynch Demon?

Instead of using any PRs to confirm his role, we can have all our PRs off doing more things with more WIFOM for scum to sort out.

OK, so it is potentially just me and Brain on summit?

[Chaqa]

@Chaqa: Why is Sarah listed under "scum candidates" but in your comment on her you say probably town?

Ah, she was just tacked onto the end and I missed her when sorting the list.

[Jamiet99uk]

Are you a Huntsman?

I'm not familiar with that role, and it's not in the MafiaUniverse database either.

Let's not play guessing games about the other aspect(s) of my role at this juncture? That will just help scum nullify me.

[Chaqa]

Why do we get more info tonight if we lynch Demon?

Instead of using any PRs to confirm his role, we can have all our PRs off doing more things with more WIFOM for scum to sort out.

OK, so it is potentially just me and Brain on summit?

I would say you should both independently decide what to do. If mafia knows you'll both be on summit, they might try to kill brain or you (or me).

[Chaqa]

Are you a Huntsman?

I'm not familiar with that role, and it's not in the MafiaUniverse database either.

Let's not play guessing games about the other aspect(s) of my role at this juncture? That will just help scum nullify me.

I usually use MafiaScum for reference. It's a Bodyguard that kills its attacker.

[Jamiet99uk]

Are you a Huntsman?

I'm not familiar with that role, and it's not in the MafiaUniverse database either.

Let's not play guessing games about the other aspect(s) of my role at this juncture? That will just help scum nullify me.

I usually use MafiaScum for reference. It's a Bodyguard that kills its attacker.

I see.

[brainbomb]

Fine. You're a very bossy sex cult leader and I don't appreciate that, but fine, have it your way, Mister Bossypants.

I claim Town Protective.

I also have another ability which can be triggered in specific circumstances which I do not wish to reveal.

Happy?

No new information has been provided.

Is your role distinct enough from Brain to not make us want to get into a CC thing here?

I do not have the same role that Brain is claiming, that's for sure. However, if his claim is true, then town does have two docsaves, since my protective ability is effectively a docsave. One detail is that, apparently, I do get told if my target is home, but I don't get told whether or not I saved them from a kill.

That is, on N1 I got told that Foodcoats was not at home. On N2 I was told that I *successfully* found Brainbomb - but I get no feedback on whether or not he required my save.

When I say I have "another ability", it is something with an effect that is not protective in nature.

I was visiting summit
thats odd. how would I be at home

[brainbomb]

what does being at home mean

[brainbomb]

sounds like surveillance cam role

[bozotheclown]

Are we sure Demon will be modkilled if we don't lynch him? If not, emc could instead verify Demon and Demon could save one of us.

How emc would verify Demon? He can check who Demon visited, but if he is really doc or what is his alignment I don't see how can be verified unless you are counting with Mafia also participating and choosing Demon target for the NK.

We get Demon to visit player X and emc tracks Demon. If Demon's action is not a save X would get a contradictory message I assume (you have been XYZ'd where XYZ <> save). Does that work? X could be Vecna who if he is telling the truth is VT.

Why are you suggesting going to all that trouble to verify a claimed role that is not aligned with town?

[BunnyGo]

No new information has been provided.

Is your role distinct enough from Brain to not make us want to get into a CC thing here?

I do not have the same role that Brain is claiming, that's for sure. However, if his claim is true, then town does have two docsaves, since my protective ability is effectively a docsave. One detail is that, apparently, I do get told if my target is home, but I don't get told whether or not I saved them from a kill.

That is, on N1 I got told that Foodcoats was not at home. On N2 I was told that I *successfully* found Brainbomb - but I get no feedback on whether or not he required my save.

When I say I have "another ability", it is something with an effect that is not protective in nature.

I was visiting summit
thats odd. how would I be at home

Insert dramatic music.

Could it be his action triggers before you?

[xorxes]

Vecna role look more and more like what a killing scum or 3rd party could claim. Does someone confirmed Kgray visited Vecna and not the opposite?

This sounds like an important question, let's see:

bozotheclown - no claims
brainbomb - protected summit, could not know
Chaqa - Neighborizer, could not know
damo666 - no claims
BunnyGo - no claims
DemonRHK - protected Chaqa, could not know
e.m.c^42 - tracked flash, could not know
flash2015 - watched me, could not know
foodcoats - spent LR, could not know
Squigs44 - no claims
Jamiet99uk - visited brainbomb, could not know
Nephthys - no claims
rdrivera2005 - no claims
SarahK24 - no claims
summit_fever - scanned RHK, could not know
Vecna - knows
xorxes - jailed, could not know

So no, nobody besides Vecna confirmed or disconfirmed it. Not sure how to take the question though. Not paying close attention to what people have been claiming, or suggesting you may know something?

[bozotheclown]

As it stands, here's my general read on everyone:

Core Town:
Brainbomb: I was very much reading him as scum, but after all the interactions yesterday, as well as the realization that he didn't know foodcoats was in my QT, I'm pretty sure he is the true and blue Town Doctor. RHK's scum-scan adds extra weight to this, but there is a slight potential for being wrong here due to Jamie also claiming town protective.

EMC: Everything he has done from the beginning of our conversations in our QT make me think he's town. I had a bit of a loss of faith momentarily, but I feel pretty alright that he's town given what we know about night 2 actions (or, what we suspect). If flash flips scum or something other than Watcher, this could change, but to me Flash's info at least confirms EMC is the Tracker, though he could potentially be 3P or scum yet.

Foodcoats: I thought about it a lot, and I don't see Lightning Rod being scum. Especially if, as I suspect, the Jailer is classified as a roleblocking role. If we see Jailer flip town protective, then maybe Food is scum, but until then, I have him as town.

Summit: Town Cop. I don't foresee a scum cop, though it's possible, to me he's fel town all game and his scan on RHK fits.

Lean Town:
Flash: For now, I will lean town on him. I can 100% believe town!watcher!Flash trying to keep an eye on xorxes last night, and EMC confirms he did try to visit xorxes. Given two deaths last night, we know mafia performed a kill. We also know Flash isn't the Jailer. Given all this, he's town unless Jailer is town as well, then he may be some sort of unknown scum role.

Jamiet: I would like to clear up his exact role, and I have some questions, but for now I'm still leaning town on him. Will have a more certain read after I can get his full role tonight.

Rivera: This one has the least to back it up. He's had some insightful and logical posts and it's more a gut feeling than anything. Out of everyone in this category, he's the least-strong townread.

Vecna: I believe 100% he is a Army Vet (Paranoid Gun Owner) role. I think he's more likely to be 3P than scum, and more likely to be town than 3P. He might be a decent lynch down the line, but for now he's a deterrent to scum visiting him (or anyone visiting him).

xorxes: Town or 3P, unless Jailer flips town. Enough said.

The Scum Candidates:
Bozo: I've laid out a few different thoughts on why Bozo might be scum before. The gist is that I just don't feel like he's paying much attention, and he's usually much more adept at mechanics discussions than he has been. He's probably my #1 scumread (besides RHK).

Damo: Has rubbed me wrong a lot of the game. I want to make a note that EMC has been townreading and pushing for Damo's recruitment into my QT, so if EMC flips scum, Damo is a very likely teammate.

Bunny(Dargo): Dargo was really scummy early, though I mainly was joking at first he didn't really ever get better. Bunny is incomprehensible and unapproachable as usual. Solid scum candidate.

RHK: Either 3P doctor or some scum role. Should be lynched today.

Squigs(Fox): Fox struck me as town early in the game, then disappeared. I haven't had enough from Squigs yet to say either way.

Neph: He was doing this really strange "too scummy to be scum" or "idk what's going on" bit early in the game that I still find scummy. Has improved somewhat lately. Pushing for a massclaim. Still a potential Jester/Tanner role, or maybe some sort of role that wants to die? Hard to say. Possible scum.

Sarah: Likely modkill. Probably town. Not going to say much else./

Why do you think I would pay less attention or be less "adept at mechanics discussions" as scum?

[bozotheclown]

Vecna role look more and more like what a killing scum or 3rd party could claim. Does someone confirmed Kgray visited Vecna and not the opposite?

This sounds like an important question, let's see:

bozotheclown - no claims
brainbomb - protected summit, could not know
Chaqa - Neighborizer, could not know
damo666 - no claims
BunnyGo - no claims
DemonRHK - protected Chaqa, could not know
e.m.c^42 - tracked flash, could not know
flash2015 - watched me, could not know
foodcoats - spent LR, could not know
Squigs44 - no claims
Jamiet99uk - visited brainbomb, could not know
Nephthys - no claims
rdrivera2005 - no claims
SarahK24 - no claims
summit_fever - scanned RHK, could not know
Vecna - knows
xorxes - jailed, could not know

So no, nobody besides Vecna confirmed or disconfirmed it. Not sure how to take the question though. Not paying close attention to what people have been claiming, or suggesting you may know something?

Vecna does seem like a reasonable target for kgray's motion detector ability, and there is this from the flavor:

"On one screen, a woman is seen approaching a man, only to be mowed down by a hail of bullets from an AK-47."

[rdrivera2005]

Vecna role look more and more like what a killing scum or 3rd party could claim. Does someone confirmed Kgray visited Vecna and not the opposite?

This sounds like an important question, let's see:

bozotheclown - no claims
brainbomb - protected summit, could not know
Chaqa - Neighborizer, could not know
damo666 - no claims
BunnyGo - no claims
DemonRHK - protected Chaqa, could not know
e.m.c^42 - tracked flash, could not know
flash2015 - watched me, could not know
foodcoats - spent LR, could not know
Squigs44 - no claims
Jamiet99uk - visited brainbomb, could not know
Nephthys - no claims
rdrivera2005 - no claims
SarahK24 - no claims
summit_fever - scanned RHK, could not know
Vecna - knows
xorxes - jailed, could not know

So no, nobody besides Vecna confirmed or disconfirmed it. Not sure how to take the question though. Not paying close attention to what people have been claiming, or suggesting you may know something?

Take as a legit question, I am not suggesting anything other that it seems a really comfortable role to claim as 3P or scum.
I have not read really carefully the thread yesterday due to my real life commitments and didn't have time to re-read today, I barely had time to ISO Demon.

[xorxes]

DemonRHK (9) xorxes summit_fever Chaqa bozotheclown Squigs44 Nephthys BunnyGo rdrivera2005 DemonRHK
brainbomb (2) Vecna damo666
Nephthys (2) brainbomb Jamiet99uk
Squigs44 (1) flash2015
damo666 (1) foodcoats

Non-votes
e.m.c^42
SarahK24

I think at this point the people going on a hopeless crusade to save RHK are most likely town. Hard to see scum wanting to associate themselves with that.

summit and Chaqa are most likely town as well. That leaves:

Off wagon:
Vecna - presumably has not seen summit's claim yet.
emc - not voting, no news
Sarah - Sarah

On wagon: bozotheclown Squigs44 Nephthys BunnyGo rdrivera2005

I expect there's where the highest concentration of scum is. Hard to read bozo and rivera, replacements Squigs and Bunny, and Neph in the middle. All very nice and symmetrical.