M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[e.m.c^42]

You survived, and notice how you had 10 voters on you yesterday? not a single vote on you today?

I've already said this to xorx lol.

Based on past games, I'm usually only ever up for lynch only once in a game, so if scum wanted to mislynch me they had to do it on D2 - leading to a conclusion that there was more scum on my wagon than not.

However, with further thought that would be an inaccurate conclusion since I doubt anyone other than myself would have tracked or kept record, leading me to discard it.

So like last big game where you were a leading candidate D3 and then lynched D4?

Yep! That was kind of new, which was why I ended up not trying as hard as I should've D4 since I didn't expect a wagon to actually build up near EoD lol

[xorxes]

we already know scum jailor was Jamie or is demonrhk

Demon knew that Chaqa was not bus driven with someone N2. Can you think of a way he could have known that if he jailed me N2 instead of visiting Chaqa like he claims?

[e.m.c^42]

It is considered a roleblock ability and resolves before any other roleblock ability.

LR could be scum

If LR was town N1 use only there could easily be another town RB with restricted use.

I'm going to say this was not a fabricated non-Jailor slip and decide that damo is not the Jailor for now.

I admit I am not clear-headed or astute enough to see what you're referring to, haha

[Chaqa]

we already know scum jailor was Jamie or is demonrhk

Demon knew that Chaqa was not bus driven with someone N2. Can you think of a way he could have known that if he jailed me N2 instead of visiting Chaqa like he claims?

Would the Doctor be informed if their target was bus driven? Typically not.

[Chaqa]

Maybe we lynch Jamie?

[xorxes]

If that question is directed at me, I am not sure what you are asking.

"If Jamie is the recruit for today, I would like to know why he is informing Chaqa he had a protective role when he claims to be visiting his scum reads."

Where did Jamie say that?

If you are asking when he said who he visited, he put it in his EON message both nights, and referenced it later as well.

I saw he did it N1 but not N2.

There was also this from D2, where he implied he might have determined my alignment if his visit had succeeded:

##VOTE BOZOTHECLOWN

Didn't find out last night, maybe find out today.

Yes, this is kind of strange.

Jamie, can you explain this? I did think the way you talked to bozo was more in a threatening/questioning way rather than in a "I protected you" way.

[e.m.c^42]

we already know scum jailor was Jamie or is demonrhk

Demon knew that Chaqa was not bus driven with someone N2. Can you think of a way he could have known that if he jailed me N2 instead of visiting Chaqa like he claims?

Would the Doctor be informed if their target was bus driven? Typically not.

He would be informed of if his target changed though, wouldn't he? Like any other role that names a player for their action.

[xorxes]

LR could be scum

If LR was town N1 use only there could easily be another town RB with restricted use.

I'm going to say this was not a fabricated non-Jailor slip and decide that damo is not the Jailor for now.

I admit I am not clear-headed or astute enough to see what you're referring to, haha

Jailor is a roleblocking ability that was definitely in play N1 together with LR. My point was that given that two roleblocking abilities were used, and LR acted first, then LR is likely town. This assumes that LR is indeed typed as roleblocking, as food claims. In his favor he suggested this quite early before it became an issue.

[Chaqa]

Demon knew that Chaqa was not bus driven with someone N2. Can you think of a way he could have known that if he jailed me N2 instead of visiting Chaqa like he claims?

Would the Doctor be informed if their target was bus driven? Typically not.

He would be informed of if his target changed though, wouldn't he? Like any other role that names a player for their action.

This might depend on GM. When I've used a bus driver, anyone targeting is explicitly NOT told they were swapped.

You are the Town Bus Driver! You love taking people to and from for whatever reason you want! Each night, you can ##swap two players by PMing the GM. When you do, those players swap places and any action targeting one will target the other. Your ability is considered a Protective-type ability.

You win when the Town faction is the last faction left standing.

The role PM is not clear.

[Chaqa]

I'm going to say this was not a fabricated non-Jailor slip and decide that damo is not the Jailor for now.

I admit I am not clear-headed or astute enough to see what you're referring to, haha

Jailor is a roleblocking ability that was definitely in play N1 together with LR. My point was that given that two roleblocking abilities were used, and LR acted first, then LR is likely town. This assumes that LR is indeed typed as roleblocking, as food claims. In his favor he suggested this quite early before it became an issue.

Why would alignment matter?

[bozotheclown]

"If Jamie is the recruit for today, I would like to know why he is informing Chaqa he had a protective role when he claims to be visiting his scum reads."

Where did Jamie say that?

If you are asking when he said who he visited, he put it in his EON message both nights, and referenced it later as well.

I saw he did it N1 but not N2.

There was also this from D2, where he implied he might have determined my alignment if his visit had succeeded:

##VOTE BOZOTHECLOWN

Didn't find out last night, maybe find out today.

Yes, this is kind of strange.

Jamie, can you explain this? I did think the way you talked to bozo was more in a threatening/questioning way rather than in a "I protected you" way.

He said he visited brainbomb N2 and responded to my question about it:

What do you think about Brainbomb's Doctor claim?

Did you find out anything by visiting him?

Ah, how attentive of you, Bozo.

I will say that my action was successful; but I have no means of confirming his claim that he visited Summit who was not attacked.

[xorxes]

we already know scum jailor was Jamie or is demonrhk

Demon knew that Chaqa was not bus driven with someone N2. Can you think of a way he could have known that if he jailed me N2 instead of visiting Chaqa like he claims?

Would the Doctor be informed if their target was bus driven? Typically not.

The way worcej informed the LR results suggests yes.

[xorxes]

I admit I am not clear-headed or astute enough to see what you're referring to, haha

Jailor is a roleblocking ability that was definitely in play N1 together with LR. My point was that given that two roleblocking abilities were used, and LR acted first, then LR is likely town. This assumes that LR is indeed typed as roleblocking, as food claims. In his favor he suggested this quite early before it became an issue.

Why would alignment matter?

The rules say that if two roleblocking abilities target each other (which would be the case here), then town goes first, then Mafia, then 3P.

[Chaqa]

Demon knew that Chaqa was not bus driven with someone N2. Can you think of a way he could have known that if he jailed me N2 instead of visiting Chaqa like he claims?

Would the Doctor be informed if their target was bus driven? Typically not.

The way worcej informed the LR results suggests yes.

Hmmm. I don't know about this for sure.

Weren't they informed "You could not find your target" or something like that? Not "You could not find foodcoats".

I think you're making a dangerous assumption. I'm not 100% sure town!xorx makes.

[Chaqa]

Jailor is a roleblocking ability that was definitely in play N1 together with LR. My point was that given that two roleblocking abilities were used, and LR acted first, then LR is likely town. This assumes that LR is indeed typed as roleblocking, as food claims. In his favor he suggested this quite early before it became an issue.

Why would alignment matter?

The rules say that if two roleblocking abilities target each other (which would be the case here), then town goes first, then Mafia, then 3P.

Really? I'm not sure how I missed that. Let me think

[bozotheclown]

I'm going to say this was not a fabricated non-Jailor slip and decide that damo is not the Jailor for now.

I admit I am not clear-headed or astute enough to see what you're referring to, haha

Jailor is a roleblocking ability that was definitely in play N1 together with LR. My point was that given that two roleblocking abilities were used, and LR acted first, then LR is likely town. This assumes that LR is indeed typed as roleblocking, as food claims. In his favor he suggested this quite early before it became an issue.

foodcoats said the Lightning Bolt occurs before all other role blocking ability, so I do not think you should assume the Lightning Bolt and Jailer can't be of the same alignment. If you are correct though, there is still the change the Lightning Bolt is scum and the Jailer is town.

[bozotheclown]

chance

[xorxes]

Would the Doctor be informed if their target was bus driven? Typically not.

The way worcej informed the LR results suggests yes.

Hmmm. I don't know about this for sure.

Weren't they informed "You could not find your target" or something like that? Not "You could not find foodcoats".

I think you're making a dangerous assumption. I'm not 100% sure town!xorx makes.

No, they were informed that they targeted foodcoats instead of whoever they had intended to target.

That's why worcej had to make a public announcement saying that he would not be replying individually to the bazillion PMs telling him he had made a mistake with their chosen target.

[xorxes]

I admit I am not clear-headed or astute enough to see what you're referring to, haha

Jailor is a roleblocking ability that was definitely in play N1 together with LR. My point was that given that two roleblocking abilities were used, and LR acted first, then LR is likely town. This assumes that LR is indeed typed as roleblocking, as food claims. In his favor he suggested this quite early before it became an issue.

foodcoats said the Lightning Bolt occurs before all other role blocking ability, so I do not think you should assume the Lightning Bolt and Jailer can't be of the same alignment. If you are correct though, there is still the change the Lightning Bolt is scum and the Jailer is town.

You mean if I am *not* correct, right?

But why have a hidden exception to a public rule? Why provide the rule at all if it will have hidden exceptions?

[bozotheclown]

Jailor is a roleblocking ability that was definitely in play N1 together with LR. My point was that given that two roleblocking abilities were used, and LR acted first, then LR is likely town. This assumes that LR is indeed typed as roleblocking, as food claims. In his favor he suggested this quite early before it became an issue.

Why would alignment matter?

The rules say that if two roleblocking abilities target each other (which would be the case here), then town goes first, then Mafia, then 3P.

One of the Town JOAT's abilities was "1x Flare Gun (a roleblock action)", so the rule you are referring to about the roleblock resolution may just contain an oversight with regard to 2 roleblocks from the same alignment.