M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[foodcoats]

Well, I already put it halfway out there.

Yes, I am a Doctor. I was prepping to counter brain but then he posted that specific syntax I realized it matched what I got, and that two identical roles was pointed out as possible. If there are bastard mechanics in play or something else, no clue but there it is.

I think lynching brain or RHK today is the right play. One of them is lying.

Yeah, RHK is the Jailor. He was one of my three top scum reads N1, so it makes sense he would want to roleblock me. Not questioning brain's Doctor claim in the least also suggests he is not the Doctor.

But why come out and make this fake claim?

[Vecna]

Well, I already put it halfway out there.

Yes, I am a Doctor. I was prepping to counter brain but then he posted that specific syntax I realized it matched what I got, and that two identical roles was pointed out as possible. If there are bastard mechanics in play or something else, no clue but there it is.

I think lynching brain or RHK today is the right play. One of them is lying.

Yeah, RHK is the Jailor. He was one of my three top scum reads N1, so it makes sense he would want to roleblock me. Not questioning brain's Doctor claim in the least also suggests he is not the Doctor.

RHK is the doctor

Brain has one of them roles that receives copies of either a random persons result PM or of his target (at least thats what he wants us to believe)

[flash2015]

Here's a general purpose principle that is much more useful to town than arbitrary mechanical thought experiments:

Scum are much less likely than town to claim roles. They have information, they have confidence in their hidden position, and they win by keeping town from acquiring information to solve with.

Strangely, many players seem to be focusing on the claims, even though those who have claimed are, in general, less likely to be scum.

This makes me realize... flash did not claim and took a long pause before even addressing the activity emc alleged, in a circumspect manner. Xorxes was jailed by someone not flash, meaning flash is likely an investigative or scum, based on the claims and reveals so far. I don't know that xorxes crumbed anything that would make it likely flash is the scum RB. But considering xorx was widely townread, why would flash investigate xorx?

I am bumping flash down into my nulls. I realize now that, much like damo, fox and summit, flash had one or two good posts that pushed me to think he is town, but everything else he has done is largely invisible - perhaps intentionally.

OK, screw it. There aren't many investigative roles that are left...and I crumbed my role HARD.

If you go back to D1, I put the words "being there" in quotes just to emphasize the crumb. "Being There" is a 1979 film with Peter Sellers in the lead role. The most famous line in the film is when Peter Sellers uses the line "I like to watch". So I am the watcher.

A couple of posts after I crumbed, Donnie crumbed either tracker or watcher which made me highly suspicious of him...perhaps he was potentially setting up for a counter-claim later. A few posts after that Xorxes made a comment about Vecna needs to be watched (or something similar). I assume Xorxes saw my crumb and was giving me an instruction...so watch Vecna is what I ordered first day. After receiving the result about you and seeing the result from brain, I was furiously texting Worcej that he made a mistake...which I assume prompted him to write in the main thread to stop writing messages to him .

I still couldn't believe that worcej would put tracker AND watcher in the setup...so I continued to scumread emc D2. I chose xorxes N2 as I strongly townread him...and he is usually an early scum target.

[Chaqa]

Flipping brain also gives us the most information about the first two days/nights IMO (aside from lynching food or EMC). Using my own personal belief that anyone on a non-primary wagon Day 1 is infinitely more likely to be scum as well:

##Vote brainbomb

[Vecna]

Here's a general purpose principle that is much more useful to town than arbitrary mechanical thought experiments:

Scum are much less likely than town to claim roles. They have information, they have confidence in their hidden position, and they win by keeping town from acquiring information to solve with.

Strangely, many players seem to be focusing on the claims, even though those who have claimed are, in general, less likely to be scum.

This makes me realize... flash did not claim and took a long pause before even addressing the activity emc alleged, in a circumspect manner. Xorxes was jailed by someone not flash, meaning flash is likely an investigative or scum, based on the claims and reveals so far. I don't know that xorxes crumbed anything that would make it likely flash is the scum RB. But considering xorx was widely townread, why would flash investigate xorx?

I am bumping flash down into my nulls. I realize now that, much like damo, fox and summit, flash had one or two good posts that pushed me to think he is town, but everything else he has done is largely invisible - perhaps intentionally.

OK, screw it. There aren't many investigative roles that are left...and I crumbed my role HARD.

If you go back to D1, I put the words "being there" in quotes just to emphasize the crumb. "Being There" is a 1979 film with Peter Sellers in the lead role. The most famous line in the film is when Peter Sellers uses the line "I like to watch". So I am the watcher.

A couple of posts after I crumbed, Donnie crumbed either tracker or watcher which made me highly suspicious of him...perhaps he was potentially setting up for a counter-claim later. A few posts after that Xorxes made a comment about Vecna needs to be watched (or something similar). I assume Xorxes saw my crumb and was giving me an instruction...so watch Vecna is what I ordered first day. After receiving the result about you and seeing the result from brain, I was furiously texting Worcej that he made a mistake...which I assume prompted him to write in the main thread to stop writing messages to him .

I still couldn't believe that worcej would put tracker AND watcher in the setup...so I continued to scumread emc D2. I chose xorxes N2 as I strongly townread him...and he is usually an early scum target.

Hmmmm, so youre telling me that if we had lynched the jailkeeper D1, you wouldve known every visiting PR D2?

That seems......excessive

[Chaqa]

If brain flips scum, the likelihood of scum!EMC/scum!Food goes up a lot too.

If brain flips town, it's pretty likely they're both town as well.

So... yeah, brain has to be the lynch I think.

[xorxes]

I think lynching brain or RHK today is the right play. One of them is lying.

Yeah, RHK is the Jailor. He was one of my three top scum reads N1, so it makes sense he would want to roleblock me. Not questioning brain's Doctor claim in the least also suggests he is not the Doctor.

But why come out and make this fake claim?

Because I had already made the argument that Jailor must be scum, and he had already established he had a protective role. Not many options left for him.

Nobody is going to claim Jailor now.

[Chaqa]

I would also be willing to lynch RHK, I suppose. I'm 99% sure one or both of them is lying based on coded input from the person who joined my Neighborhood Watch.

[Chaqa]

I'm not convinced on the Jailer thing yet.

I don't think by any means xorxes is locktown or even town-leaning. The Jailer could still be scum.

At the very least, we know the Jailer and foodcoats are not on the same team, unless maybe if brain flips with some sort of Mastermind role.

[xorxes]

I think lynching brain or RHK today is the right play. One of them is lying.

Yeah, RHK is the Jailor. He was one of my three top scum reads N1, so it makes sense he would want to roleblock me. Not questioning brain's Doctor claim in the least also suggests he is not the Doctor.

RHK is the doctor

Brain has one of them roles that receives copies of either a random persons result PM or of his target (at least thats what he wants us to believe)

Let's see if brain retracts his Doctor claim or not.

I still see more holes in your theory than in mine.

[Chaqa]

Random thoughts:

I think Vecna is basically locktown.

I tend to not believe flash's Watcher claim whatsoever.

Beginning to doubt EMC somewhat. If brain flips scum, this will go up a lot. I think it's odd I didn't die.

[flash2015]

I'm not convinced on the Jailer thing yet.

I don't think by any means xorxes is locktown or even town-leaning. The Jailer could still be scum.

At the very least, we know the Jailer and foodcoats are not on the same team, unless maybe if brain flips with some sort of Mastermind role.

If Xorxes and the jailer are scum, why would the jailer jail Xorxes? In the unlikely event Xorxes is scum, the jailer would have to be town.

[xorxes]

OK, screw it. There aren't many investigative roles that are left...and I crumbed my role HARD.

If you go back to D1, I put the words "being there" in quotes just to emphasize the crumb. "Being There" is a 1979 film with Peter Sellers in the lead role. The most famous line in the film is when Peter Sellers uses the line "I like to watch". So I am the watcher.

A couple of posts after I crumbed, Donnie crumbed either tracker or watcher which made me highly suspicious of him...perhaps he was potentially setting up for a counter-claim later. A few posts after that Xorxes made a comment about Vecna needs to be watched (or something similar). I assume Xorxes saw my crumb and was giving me an instruction...so watch Vecna is what I ordered first day. After receiving the result about you and seeing the result from brain, I was furiously texting Worcej that he made a mistake...which I assume prompted him to write in the main thread to stop writing messages to him .

I still couldn't believe that worcej would put tracker AND watcher in the setup...so I continued to scumread emc D2. I chose xorxes N2 as I strongly townread him...and he is usually an early scum target.

I did not notice your crumb, and it was not my intention to suggest watching Vecna (which as it turns out would have caused you to die if it wasn't for food), but your story makes perfect sense and I believe you.

That's also more evidence that emc is scum.

[flash2015]

Random thoughts:

I think Vecna is basically locktown.

I tend to not believe flash's Watcher claim whatsoever.

Beginning to doubt EMC somewhat. If brain flips scum, this will go up a lot. I think it's odd I didn't die.

Why? What do you find doubtful about it?

[Chaqa]

I'm not convinced on the Jailer thing yet.

I don't think by any means xorxes is locktown or even town-leaning. The Jailer could still be scum.

At the very least, we know the Jailer and foodcoats are not on the same team, unless maybe if brain flips with some sort of Mastermind role.

If Xorxes and the jailer are scum, why would the jailer jail Xorxes? In the unlikely event Xorxes is scum, the jailer would have to be town.

Was wondering who would point that out.

[Vecna]

Random thoughts:

I think Vecna is basically locktown.

I tend to not believe flash's Watcher claim whatsoever.

Beginning to doubt EMC somewhat. If brain flips scum, this will go up a lot. I think it's odd I didn't die.

Youre already suspicious of the people in your neighbourhood and youre surprised you didnt die?

Your role is only helping scum. They will never kill you lol

[damo666]

Scumteam:

Omniscient role
Tracker
Jailkeep
Strongman?

Works really well together to navigate a setup and work out what everyone is

Brain Bozo Neph Sarah?

How can the Tracker be anyone other than emc?

A scum tracker + towntrackerEMC ?

[Vecna]

I'm not convinced on the Jailer thing yet.

I don't think by any means xorxes is locktown or even town-leaning. The Jailer could still be scum.

At the very least, we know the Jailer and foodcoats are not on the same team, unless maybe if brain flips with some sort of Mastermind role.

If Xorxes and the jailer are scum, why would the jailer jail Xorxes? In the unlikely event Xorxes is scum, the jailer would have to be town.

Was wondering who would point that out.

I mean, jailkeeping also stops investigates from outing scum...

There are reasons to jailkeep your teammate

Its unlikely ofcourse

[Chaqa]

So I guess today comes down to whether we lynch brain or RHK.

Let's see if brain has anything new to say.

I don't see town having three protective roles, so one of them is lying.

[damo666]

Why would there be a third party Doctor?

That doesn't make a lot of sense, DemonRHK.

unless a faction of 2 but I admit I doubt that