M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[Vecna]

Also note that that role on scum is a great way to balance a setup like this. Let scum know what theyre dealing with early. Give all result PM's very clear flavourtext so scum can deduce what it might do.

[foodcoats]

@food, can you tell us if your role is described as roleblocking-type?

Why would that matter? It seems to me you suggested earlier that this setup isn't balanced by the roles. So what does it matter to you how many X types and Y types there are? What could you learn from that, since you don't think the game is rationally structured?

I think there can't be two town roleblockers. If you are a roleblocker, any other roleblocker would have to be scum. And you would be town because town roleblocker has priority. Your wording suggests you are classified as a roleblocker. Is that correct?

It is considered a roleblock ability and resolves before any other roleblock ability.

[rdrivera2005]

I have a working theory jamiet

I think scum had a role that showed all the PM's people got from the GM on N2 (or N1 but that doesnt explain everything).

Brainbomb was softing to be able to use that shit. But instead they decided to go with something else. He used the syntax to both get a response from the real town protective, and to try and fake being a real town PR.

That might mean that foodcoats is also scum if it was indeed used on N2

This also seems like a complicated, convoluted way to get to scum, and is a big assumption that could lead you or others down blind rabbit holes to mislynches. I think it is ridiculous and even dangerous to look at things with this kind of totally random hypothesizing.

Its not random

Brainbomb was very clearly softing it

The Omniscient thing? Is this a real role? I don't remember it.

I think it's a stretch to base reads on roles that might exists or not. We have so many possibilities and we have seen that Worcej choose some different ones (don't remember a Motion Detector or a Neighborizer or whatever you are before).

I usually think scum BB like to generate chaos and I am not seeing this on this game.

[foodcoats]

This also seems like a complicated, convoluted way to get to scum, and is a big assumption that could lead you or others down blind rabbit holes to mislynches. I think it is ridiculous and even dangerous to look at things with this kind of totally random hypothesizing.

Its not random

Brainbomb was very clearly softing it

The Omniscient thing? Is this a real role? I don't remember it.

I think it's a stretch to base reads on roles that might exists or not. We have so many possibilities and we have seen that Worcej choose some different ones (don't remember a Motion Detector or a Neighborizer or whatever you are before).

I usually think scum BB like to generate chaos and I am not seeing this on this game.

Indeed.

It also just seems ridiculous to me to invent mechanics to justify reads instead of examining the behaviors and motivations of players. Roles do things, but players are playing out those roles.

[xorxes]

I have a working theory jamiet

I think scum had a role that showed all the PM's people got from the GM on N2 (or N1 but that doesnt explain everything).

Brainbomb was softing to be able to use that shit. But instead they decided to go with something else. He used the syntax to both get a response from the real town protective, and to try and fake being a real town PR.

That might mean that foodcoats is also scum if it was indeed used on N2

Why am I scum? What have I said about N2 or today on D3 that implies I am using some kind of tool like that to make statements about PRs?

If scum knew to use it N2 instead of N1 they knew it was about to be messed with by a lightning Rod.

RHK, what night did you get that message that your help was not needed? The one where brainbomb mightve faked the syntax?

This could be the key to breaking this thing wide open

I want to comment on this so bad, but I also want to hear Demon's answer first...

[Nephthys]

This could be about to get very interesting

See y’all tomorrow

[xorxes]

Why would that matter? It seems to me you suggested earlier that this setup isn't balanced by the roles. So what does it matter to you how many X types and Y types there are? What could you learn from that, since you don't think the game is rationally structured?

I think there can't be two town roleblockers. If you are a roleblocker, any other roleblocker would have to be scum. And you would be town because town roleblocker has priority. Your wording suggests you are classified as a roleblocker. Is that correct?

It is considered a roleblock ability and resolves before any other roleblock ability.

Excelent! Jailor then must be scum.

[Vecna]

This also seems like a complicated, convoluted way to get to scum, and is a big assumption that could lead you or others down blind rabbit holes to mislynches. I think it is ridiculous and even dangerous to look at things with this kind of totally random hypothesizing.

Its not random

Brainbomb was very clearly softing it

The Omniscient thing? Is this a real role? I don't remember it.

I think it's a stretch to base reads on roles that might exists or not. We have so many possibilities and we have seen that Worcej choose some different ones (don't remember a Motion Detector or a Neighborizer or whatever you are before).

I usually think scum BB like to generate chaos and I am not seeing this on this game.

So you think if scum brainbomb did have a role like that, he wouldnt soft it, try to use it to get town PR's to out (like he probably just did with RHK).

That is its own type of chaos the benefits scum mightily.

Also, read his last post where he attacked me. "gone the entire phase" "has all my softs, discussed them in scumchat".

Dude's rattled. Because his behind the scenes plan is not working out and is being called out

[damo666]

Why would that matter? It seems to me you suggested earlier that this setup isn't balanced by the roles. So what does it matter to you how many X types and Y types there are? What could you learn from that, since you don't think the game is rationally structured?

I think there can't be two town roleblockers. If you are a roleblocker, any other roleblocker would have to be scum. And you would be town because town roleblocker has priority. Your wording suggests you are classified as a roleblocker. Is that correct?

It is considered a roleblock ability and resolves before any other roleblock ability.

LR could be scum

If LR was town N1 use only there could easily be another town RB with restricted use.

[Vecna]

also the fact he's constantly known more about roles that he should. He's been making all sorts of guesses. (Jamiet oracle and theres probably more).

And then now he comes out and claims doctor to elicit responses.

Dude's playing to a scum agenda

[Vecna]

Wait, so Foodcoats isnt actually the lighning rod?

im confused by this discussion

[xorxes]

This also seems like a complicated, convoluted way to get to scum, and is a big assumption that could lead you or others down blind rabbit holes to mislynches. I think it is ridiculous and even dangerous to look at things with this kind of totally random hypothesizing.

Its not random

Brainbomb was very clearly softing it

The Omniscient thing? Is this a real role? I don't remember it.

I think it's a stretch to base reads on roles that might exists or not. We have so many possibilities and we have seen that Worcej choose some different ones (don't remember a Motion Detector or a Neighborizer or whatever you are before).

I usually think scum BB like to generate chaos and I am not seeing this on this game.

Omniscient is different, it's a role that knows all the roles that are in play. The one Vecna is talking about is a different one that also existed in the game I was 3P and got huge amounts of info. I don't remember what the role was called, but I think it was Kitsune who had it.

I don't think what Vecna suggests is what happened, but I don't see the harm in exploring it.

[damo666]

##vote brain

[Vecna]

Its not random

Brainbomb was very clearly softing it

The Omniscient thing? Is this a real role? I don't remember it.

I think it's a stretch to base reads on roles that might exists or not. We have so many possibilities and we have seen that Worcej choose some different ones (don't remember a Motion Detector or a Neighborizer or whatever you are before).

I usually think scum BB like to generate chaos and I am not seeing this on this game.

Omniscient is different, it's a role that knows all the roles that are in play. The one Vecna is talking about is a different one that also existed in the game I was 3P and got huge amounts of info. I don't remember what the role was called, but I think it was Kitsune who had it.

I don't think what Vecna suggests is what happened, but I don't see the harm in exploring it.

He softed omnicient and dreaming in the same post.

Pretty obvious what he was implying

[rdrivera2005]

@food, can you tell us if your role is described as roleblocking-type?

Why would that matter? It seems to me you suggested earlier that this setup isn't balanced by the roles. So what does it matter to you how many X types and Y types there are? What could you learn from that, since you don't think the game is rationally structured?

I think there can't be two town roleblockers. If you are a roleblocker, any other roleblocker would have to be scum. And you would be town because town roleblocker has priority. Your wording suggests you are classified as a roleblocker. Is that correct?

Why can't be two town roleblockers? You believe the roles assignment is fully random or not? I understood you believe it was as you were talking about Mafia Tracker and Mafia Rod. So why can't town (or scum) have two roleblockers?

[xorxes]

It also just seems ridiculous to me to invent mechanics to justify reads instead of examining the behaviors and motivations of players. Roles do things, but players are playing out those roles.

There's no harm in doing both. In role madness it is inevitable to talk some mechanics. And you can judge behavior and motivations in the way people talk about mechanics too.

[Vecna]

Its not random

Brainbomb was very clearly softing it

The Omniscient thing? Is this a real role? I don't remember it.

I think it's a stretch to base reads on roles that might exists or not. We have so many possibilities and we have seen that Worcej choose some different ones (don't remember a Motion Detector or a Neighborizer or whatever you are before).

I usually think scum BB like to generate chaos and I am not seeing this on this game.

Omniscient is different, it's a role that knows all the roles that are in play. The one Vecna is talking about is a different one that also existed in the game I was 3P and got huge amounts of info. I don't remember what the role was called, but I think it was Kitsune who had it.

I don't think what Vecna suggests is what happened, but I don't see the harm in exploring it.

You remember which one this was Xorx?

[xorxes]

I think there can't be two town roleblockers. If you are a roleblocker, any other roleblocker would have to be scum. And you would be town because town roleblocker has priority. Your wording suggests you are classified as a roleblocker. Is that correct?

It is considered a roleblock ability and resolves before any other roleblock ability.

LR could be scum

If LR was town N1 use only there could easily be another town RB with restricted use.

There was a Jailor in play N1 as well. Jailor has roleblocking power.

[damo666]

@Sarah over 59 hours since last post.

Where are you?

[xorxes]

Wait, so Foodcoats isnt actually the lighning rod?

im confused by this discussion

He is LR, there can be little doubt of that, and LR is considered a roleblocking-ability (at least that's what he says, and I believe it).