M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[Chaqa]

Yes, there was, but I will only tell what it was to Chaqa when he invites me to his secret room. It is not something that everyone should hear.

Well, I already invited someone to my secret room today, unfortunately, and it was not you because you were being shady.

That's ok, I was only joking. Oddly enough, you inviting me in would make my role just slightly more powerful, but I'm not really asking you to. I have not been able to use it yet what with the Lightning Rod and Jailor shennanigans.

Maybe xorxes is a Medium?

[foodcoats]

But Id like to know what bozo thinks because damo is scum and bozo is good at this game.

[Chaqa]

The claims by flash and DemonRHK seem believable enough, although if flash was trying to NK xorxes and knew he was being tracked, he would have to claim a visiting role. The way he tested emc makes me think he is likely town, though. I am going to move Foxcastle and Nephthys to my scum suspects list:

Top scum suspects:
damo
dargorygel
Foxcastle
Nephthys
Sarah

This list seems rather solid, tbh. Maybe Bozo is good?

I would say our vote today should b in the group:
Bozo
Dargo
Fox
Neph
Sarah

Willing to give damo and xorx and brain a day yet.

[bozotheclown]

Can you explain then what is the main reason you think he is town? It is pretty clear now that he is indeed Watcher, which means that his 3P conversion story is likely true. So he has not been lying about anything mechanical except perhaps his alignment, which I think makes perfect sense as either alignment.

Do you think Donny was more likely town or scum watcher?

I don't think we can use people's roles as the main basis for reading their alignment, because pretty much any role could be any alignment as far as we know. It seems very unlikely now that Mafia won't claim their true role.

I just don't see why emc would go about things the way he did if his plan was to claim town tracker when he was really a scum tracker. Was he counting on Chaqa leaking the information to make him look more town for trying to keep his tracking ability hidden?

As for Donny, his secretary reference looked like a scum slip, but maybe it was just bad luck.

If there really is a doctor, I do not think it is likely the roles were assigned completely randomly among town and scum. It is possible most of the roles were assigned randomly, in which case we should not assume Lightning Rod and Neighborizer (as well as Tracker) are sure to be town roles.

bozo, what do you make of the fact that this very sane, rational position you have laid out is apparently not something xorxes can understand? Do you think he is trying to sow chaos?

No, I think xorxes believes Donny was scum.

[xorxes]

I just don't see why emc would go about things the way he did if his plan was to claim town tracker when he was really a scum tracker. Was he counting on Chaqa leaking the information to make him look more town for trying to keep his tracking ability hidden?

So his claim is indeed the basis of your read of him! It seems like we're going in circles.

What would you have adviced him to do instead if he found himself absorbing Mafia Wa... Tracker? What lie would have been better than telling the truth except for the alignment? Isn't it better for him as scum to lie as little as possible?

As for Donny, his secretary reference looked like a scum slip, but maybe it was just bad luck.

So there is evidence that Donny/emc are scum, and evidence that Donny/emc are town. Scumslip vs "scum would surely make some other lie but I can't think of what". Would that be about it?

If there really is a doctor, I do not think it is likely the roles were assigned completely randomly among town and scum. It is possible most of the roles were assigned randomly, in which case we should not assume Lightning Rod and Neighborizer (as well as Tracker) are sure to be town roles.

Towniness would go something like:

Neighborizer > Doctor > Lightning Rod > Tracker

would you agree?

[e.m.c^42]

Neph’s scheme should be set off sooner rather than later in the day, so he has time to say things.

Huh, what scheme?

I believe Neph is deliberately playing in a way that he knows people will find sus. Don't really have theories to why. Setting it off as in calling his "y'all ain't gonna vote for me" schtick.

[bozotheclown]

But Id like to know what bozo thinks because damo is scum and bozo is good at this game.

Thanks, but if you are not careful I will conclude you are trying to pocket me.

[damo666]

But Id like to know what bozo thinks because damo is scum and bozo is good at this game.

So evidently you think Bozo is not scum

[xorxes]

The way things have gone, I just really don't see how Food or EMC is scum.

There's absolutely no reason for mafia to have or use a lightning rod.

emc's role was a gift to Mafia, was it not?

It made sure that D1 would be inconclusive. It made sure that if Mafia lost a member D1 it got insta-replaced. So no faction would lose a member D1, but no information would be gained from a flip either. And if Mafia had a very scummy member, it could just be replaced by hopefully someone less scummy.

Then Lightning Rod N1 insures that no deaths occur N1 and very little info is gained by town PRs. Why would this be a bad role for Mafia to have or use?

Having said that, I think foodcoats is more likely town than scum, but I don't think his role should be a strong indicator for our reads.

[Chaqa]

Blegh. I'm going to walk away from this game for a bit. Let's hear from others.

Where the heck is Sarah

[xorxes]

TBH, if the Jailer is town, they should claim, as it would really improve out knowledge. The fact this hasn't been discussed and we've had no roleblocks makes me think the Jailer is scum.

It's pretty clear alraedy who it is, and they were probably trying to roleblock me, but I won't out them if they don't want to claim.

[bozotheclown]

I just don't see why emc would go about things the way he did if his plan was to claim town tracker when he was really a scum tracker. Was he counting on Chaqa leaking the information to make him look more town for trying to keep his tracking ability hidden?

So his claim is indeed the basis of your read of him! It seems like we're going in circles.

What would you have adviced him to do instead if he found himself absorbing Mafia Wa... Tracker? What lie would have been better than telling the truth except for the alignment? Isn't it better for him as scum to lie as little as possible?

As for Donny, his secretary reference looked like a scum slip, but maybe it was just bad luck.

So there is evidence that Donny/emc are scum, and evidence that Donny/emc are town. Scumslip vs "scum would surely make some other lie but I can't think of what". Would that be about it?

If there really is a doctor, I do not think it is likely the roles were assigned completely randomly among town and scum. It is possible most of the roles were assigned randomly, in which case we should not assume Lightning Rod and Neighborizer (as well as Tracker) are sure to be town roles.

Towniness would go something like:

Neighborizer > Doctor > Lightning Rod > Tracker

would you agree?

Again, that is not what I said. It is the way emc seemed to try to avoid claiming, at least publicly, that makes me think he is likely to be town.

Also, trying to evaluate the Donny/emc alignment is not as simple as scum slip vs. whatever.

I have never heard of a scum doctor, I think I would put that first. Neighborizer would be a power scum role if everyone assumes it must be town.

[Chaqa]

TBH, if the Jailer is town, they should claim, as it would really improve out knowledge. The fact this hasn't been discussed and we've had no roleblocks makes me think the Jailer is scum.

It's pretty clear alraedy who it is, and they were probably trying to roleblock me, but I won't out them if they don't want to claim.

Meh.

[Nephthys]

Blegh. I'm going to walk away from this game for a bit. Let's hear from others.

Where the heck is Sarah

Well at least if she gets modkilled we don't need to bother about sorting her out

[bozotheclown]

TBH, if the Jailer is town, they should claim, as it would really improve out knowledge. The fact this hasn't been discussed and we've had no roleblocks makes me think the Jailer is scum.

It's pretty clear alraedy who it is, and they were probably trying to roleblock me, but I won't out them if they don't want to claim.

Why would a town jailer want to roleblock you?

[foodcoats]

But Id like to know what bozo thinks because damo is scum and bozo is good at this game.

So evidently you think Bozo is not scum

Correct, I posted that in my big reads list above.

[xorxes]

It said summit was not in need of my services

I now have brain as conf town and will follow him to the grave.

So I assume DemonRHK is claiming he has a protective role, tried to protect someone, and received a message stating his target was "was not in need of my services".

Does everyone believe this?

No reason whatsoever for him to lie about this.

summit_fever, Nephthys, and Vecna: You are voting for brainbomb. If you think brainbomb is scum, do you think DemonRHK is scum as well, trying to cover for brainbomb?

It would be so nonsensical for scum to claim Doctor when they don't even know if there could be a town Doctor and having two Doctors would be so awkward (I know worcej said this could happen). Only way scum claim Doctor is if for some reason the Doctor ended up as a scum role.

[bozotheclown]

I now have brain as conf town and will follow him to the grave.

So I assume DemonRHK is claiming he has a protective role, tried to protect someone, and received a message stating his target was "was not in need of my services".

Does everyone believe this?

No reason whatsoever for him to lie about this.

summit_fever, Nephthys, and Vecna: You are voting for brainbomb. If you think brainbomb is scum, do you think DemonRHK is scum as well, trying to cover for brainbomb?

It would be so nonsensical for scum to claim Doctor when they don't even know if there could be a town Doctor and having two Doctors would be so awkward (I know worcej said this could happen). Only way scum claim Doctor is if for some reason the Doctor ended up as a scum role.

So do you think brainbomb and DemonRHK are relatively clear?

[xorxes]

Xorxes is 3p

No, I'm not.

[Nephthys]

Xorxes is 3p

No, I'm not.

Well you've convinced me