M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[xorxes]

I think we can more or less assume Vecna is town for now. His story checks out.

Is that because the role he described can't be a scum role? Any reason why?

My suspicion is Vecna killed Marche when he attempted to swap him and someone else, and kgray was the night-kill.

That's not what the flavor says. It's the opposite.

[xorxes]

I've entered a neighborize order to someone. Whoever it is, look at post #185 in the QT and use the code there to relay what your role is closest to in the code I laid out there for potential item receptions. If your role doesn't fit anywhere, use the next logical code that would fit the pattern but is not explicitly laid out.

I would not recommend doing that unless there's some pressing reason you need to know their role. emc and foodcoats are far from clear.

[Chaqa]

I think we can more or less assume Vecna is town for now. His story checks out.

Is that because the role he described can't be a scum role? Any reason why?

My suspicion is Vecna killed Marche when he attempted to swap him and someone else, and kgray was the night-kill.

That's not what the flavor says. It's the opposite.

I haven't and won't read into flavor.

[Chaqa]

I would actually be really disappointed in worcej if he's using flavor to relay actual information.

[e.m.c^42]

In regards to brain - I don't think he's really fakeclaimed recently much? Entirely possible I'm just not remembering, but I feel like there was a gradual shift as it went down when he played, likely due to effectiveness not being there anymore

[foodcoats]

Here are my reads as of now. Sorry they are not more in depth as they usually would be, a bit short on time and I'm stuck doing this on my phone so quotes are a pain.

town
Vecna - lord of hunter-killers.
Xorxes - wide range of investigation... I felt xorx was tunnelling and was scumreading him as a result but on reading iso there's a lot of thought there, some of it could be faked but there are too many strong opinions for all of it to be
Jamie - investigation of brain, bis. I thought Jamie was locked in angry inquisition mode which seemed scummy but he comes up for air and does synthesis of trends.
Bozo - has made a lot of town and scum reads and basically classified everyone. I think bozo is strong hunting as usual.
Rdr - questions and reasons through things top to bottom, balanced, seems very town process
Flash - lurking hard but I think flash made some suggestions D2 that look pretty towny. I am willing to say flash is town.
Brainbomb - I know brain seems shifty right now but gut check says that's brainbomb. You should be worried when brainbomb acts normal.
Chaqa and emc - i've thrown in my lot here but could be convinced otherwise. I fear chaqa being a 3p survivor neighborizer, it would be a way to get cred. But based on actions seems unlikely. And emc... it's just hard to believe emc would claim such an unlikely story as scum or as continued 3p. Basically im paranoid but pretty dang confident.

Null
DemonRHK - seemed lurky and suspicious early but even at low posting has a very good D2. Thoughtful and pretty well rounded. Might be a few blindspots though so null. I just feel like maybe i'm being tricked.
Darg - seemed natural and fine but darg has a freewheeling style that i find challenging to read. I know darg is good at spitballing ideas even as scum.
Neph - possibly some weird 3p. Also possibly scum playing 2scummy2scum. Also possibly a strong PR trying to avoid NKs.

Scum
Fox - as previously
Damo - poking, prodding, rethinking, up and down... this could be faked though as I don't get any juice. More below.
Summit - D1 is quite good but since then it's pretty blendy except for some analysis of the wagons but this is a good focus for scum, focus on a point in time or one person. Doesn't seem to be taking positions or evolving
Sarah - I have no other explanation for why someone would join a game and not play it

further on my scum reads
In particular I started asking what it is about fox, damo and summit that bothers me. They all have good, townie posts. But in their isos their townie stuff sticks out. It doesn't fit well in the context of the rest of their posts.

Damo is a great example, I found his reasoning on Donny good and I thought it looked like a natural town progression. But nothing else looks like that, everything else is a lot of duds. Damo is doing nothing, kind of shuffling words around.

Similarly summit has these nice wall posts... but they are surrounded by a lot of very deadend pointless questions. I know that feeling, as scum you need to find that burst of energy to produce some good lie, whereas most of the time you're like just trying to be active and not obviously scummy.

And fox as I said before, it's a lot of commenting and rehashing. I think he was able to look good wanking on about emc because that was basically D2, but if you look close he's not contributing, he's just respewing.

[e.m.c^42]

In regards to brain - I don't think he's really fakeclaimed recently much? Entirely possible I'm just not remembering, but I feel like there was a gradual shift as it went down when he played, likely due to effectiveness not being there anymore

But then again his recent games were town weren't they

[foodcoats]

We've basically already massclaimed with exception of lurkers not here lol

I don't entirely agree with this analysis.

I mean like, what we'll probably end up doing is that we'll poke at the people who claimed/softed, vanity wagon them and up voting and making a lead wagon someone who hasn't claimed yet halfway through the day, they're not gonna claim until like 3 hours from EOD, we're gonna move off onto someone else who still hasn't claimed, they also spill under pressure, we end up with the same problem that we had with Bismarck

So just low expectations lmfao

That's why we should not be trying to do some kind of mechanistic solve and why we can't spend D3 tunnelled on only a couple players.

Everyone who is town should explain their reads and try to identify three to five scum so we can all work together to make a smart, rational lynch.

People should actively restrain this absurd desire to pick through all the roles. It won't help catch scum as far as I can tell. It really just ends up giving info to scum whereas town is stuck being unable to 100% believe anything anyway.

[Jamiet99uk]

I would actually be really disappointed in worcej if he's using flavor to relay actual information.

Yes but regardless of that, Vecna made reference to the flavour to indicate which of the two kills he took responsibility for, didn't he?

[e.m.c^42]

Food, now that you bring up FoxC I remembered - he said something about disliking mechs, didn't he? For some reason I remember a very different meta for him in regards to that, does anyone else recall?

[Jamiet99uk]

In regards to brain - I don't think he's really fakeclaimed recently much? Entirely possible I'm just not remembering, but I feel like there was a gradual shift as it went down when he played, likely due to effectiveness not being there anymore

He fakeclaimed 7 or 8 times in the last game.

[xorxes]

I think we can more or less assume Vecna is town for now. His story checks out.

Is that because the role he described can't be a scum role? Any reason why?

My suspicion is Vecna killed Marche when he attempted to swap him and someone else, and kgray was the night-kill.

That's not what the flavor says. It's the opposite.

I haven't and won't read into flavor.

You're missing out on important info then.

[foodcoats]

##VOTE Foxcastle

[xorxes]

I would actually be really disappointed in worcej if he's using flavor to relay actual information.

Well, he is. Lightning Rod, AK-47.

[Chaqa]

I would actually be really disappointed in worcej if he's using flavor to relay actual information.

Yes but regardless of that, Vecna made reference to the flavour to indicate which of the two kills he took responsibility for, didn't he?

I may have missed that. To clarify - I haven't actually read any of the flavor of the game, and rarely do. Hence that whole Tom Hanks confusion earlier in the game.

[Chaqa]

Is that because the role he described can't be a scum role? Any reason why?



That's not what the flavor says. It's the opposite.

I haven't and won't read into flavor.

You're missing out on important info then.

Potentially. But it's bad play and bad practice to use flavor to relay information. If I had known this was the case, I may not have signed up.

[bozotheclown]

Suppose Donny was Mafia Tracker, and emc was 3P Universal Backup as he claims. What do you expect he would tell Chaqa?

If there is a mafia tracker, it is possible emc would try to clear himself by claiming it as scum, but I doubt there is a mafia tracker, because that would not be very useful to scum.

So the main reason you don't think emc is scum is that you don't think there's a Mafia Tracker, would that be correct?

You think it is more likely that Donny was town than that there is a Mafia Tracker. So your scumread of Donny was relatively weak, then?

You are misrepresenting what I said. If I said I was sure emc would claim tracker if it is a scum role and he is scum, then "the main reason you don't think emc is scum is that you don't think there's a Mafia Tracker" would be true. However, that is not what I said, I said it was possible he would.

[foodcoats]

I haven't and won't read into flavor.

You're missing out on important info then.

Potentially. But it's bad play and bad practice to use flavor to relay information. If I had known this was the case, I may not have signed up.

It's bad practice to be an arse to the GM bud.

[e.m.c^42]

In regards to brain - I don't think he's really fakeclaimed recently much? Entirely possible I'm just not remembering, but I feel like there was a gradual shift as it went down when he played, likely due to effectiveness not being there anymore

He fakeclaimed 7 or 8 times in the last game.

That is testament to loss of effectiveness then, I only remember one lmao, the rest must've gotten filtered as shitposting

[Jamiet99uk]

I haven't and won't read into flavor.

You're missing out on important info then.

Potentially. But it's bad play and bad practice to use flavor to relay information. If I had known this was the case, I may not have signed up.

Could you stop whining about the way the GM has chosen to present the game? Anyway, even a blind rodent can see that people are making reference to wording from the flavour, and if you just stubbornly choose not to read it, you're literally depriving yourself of information. Don't spite yourself like that just because you'd do it differently as GM. You're not the GM today. Apparently people are calling your the chairman of the Neighbourhood Watch but since we're on a desert island that doesn't carry much weight.

Instead, how about you ##VOTE BOZO with me, Chaqa, eh, chum?