M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[xorxes]

To an extent it was me trying to get as much out there and interact with as many people that I could so that if I did get lynched people would be able to maximize the info.

That's such a scummy perspective, and not the first time you do this. Interactions with town give so little information compared to interactions with scum.

What do you mean? I poked at people I scumread and either moved on by townreading then or not townreading them. You, bozo, came out townier. RHK and Vecna appeared enough to stay nullish-lean-town. Neph came out more scummy. Fox came out more null-leaning-scum.

I had a post written summarising this to post in case of lynch but ended up not needing it.

Why would you not post your impressions in case of not being lynched?

[Vecna]

Emc, I now almost definitely townread you.
The fact you weren't kicked suggests me you're town. (probably worcej didn't want to compromise the game and 3 deaths for town in two days probably would have resulted in almost certainly losing).

I am curious about chaqa's neighbourhood. I get why you three are defending each other: i'd share more information if i was only with reliable people, so if you trust each other this makes sense.

This is the type of reasoning you really should not follow. EMC being modkilled and flipping scum would be way more devastating to scum since their entire plan would completely unravel here.

[Foxcastle]

@Fox
- What makes you think dargo is so towny?
- Did you think you were going to be killed N1?
- Do you currently have any scumreads?

1) It was just my read of him. He'd been active and engaged. Scum Dargo is way lurkier, as I recall.

2) No, I think I am generally seen as someone who is likely to look scummier as the game goes on. I have never been an early kill, that I can recall. I don't even think I've ever been NK'd except in cases where I was cleared/semi-cleared; maybe once or twice, but it's rare.

3) EMC, more and more. You strike me as somewhat scummy, but I think that's probably not valid. Flash and Kgray, maybe. Since I stopped scumreading people for simply "looking scummy", I've ended up with fewer solid scumreads in games and try to do more POE.

[TheMarche]

Emc, I now almost definitely townread you.
The fact you weren't kicked suggests me you're town. (probably worcej didn't want to compromise the game and 3 deaths for town in two days probably would have resulted in almost certainly losing).

I am curious about chaqa's neighbourhood. I get why you three are defending each other: i'd share more information if i was only with reliable people, so if you trust each other this makes sense.

This is the type of reasoning you really should not follow. EMC being modkilled and flipping scum would be way more devastating to scum since their entire plan would completely unravel here.

So, if emc was killed and turned scum, who would you have accused?

[Vecna]

I explained in a subsequent post. I was hoping to get some feedback from you on that as you caught up but you commented on other more trivial stuff and you said nothing on this topic.

I was reading for like 4-5 hours straight, and trying to hurry to be done before EoD.

You'll have to excuse me if I glossed over some of your posts, because after a while this 1v1 between you and EMC became very tiresome (and I think youre wrong).

No, I mean the N2 posts. You were responding to an N2 post of mine there, you continued responding to night posts after that so you must have read my explanation, but you didn't respond.

ok, im lost - maybe were not understanding eachother here.

can you quote the post? maybe im missing the obvious

[xorxes]

Emc is another thing. I will use the motivation meme. What is the motivation forc scum to claim Universal Backup of a lynched and janitored player? This thing is so unlikely to be claimed by scum that I think he is either town or still a 3P with a Tracker ability (even in this case it's unlikely as scum will eventually kill a Tracker). It could also make sense if he has a recruiting 3P role, but in this case it's a really convoluted thing that involves Chaqa and Food. But I don't want to enter this kind of possibility unless they stay alive too long.

My current top hypothesis is that everything he has claimed is true except for the alignment. In other words, he was indeed the 3P Universal Backup and absorbed Mafia Tracker from Donny. The motivation to tell this to Chaqa is that he spoke too soon or he could not come up with a better story, and so he went with the easiest which was to lie the least possible, i.e. tell everything except for the alignment. If Chaqa had kept the secret it would have worked much better for him.

[Vecna]

Emc, I now almost definitely townread you.
The fact you weren't kicked suggests me you're town. (probably worcej didn't want to compromise the game and 3 deaths for town in two days probably would have resulted in almost certainly losing).

I am curious about chaqa's neighbourhood. I get why you three are defending each other: i'd share more information if i was only with reliable people, so if you trust each other this makes sense.

This is the type of reasoning you really should not follow. EMC being modkilled and flipping scum would be way more devastating to scum since their entire plan would completely unravel here.

So, if emc was killed and turned scum, who would you have accused?

well we'd know donny was scum as well, and actually no longer be totally confused about the gamestate.

[e.m.c^42]

That's such a scummy perspective, and not the first time you do this. Interactions with town give so little information compared to interactions with scum.

What do you mean? I poked at people I scumread and either moved on by townreading then or not townreading them. You, bozo, came out townier. RHK and Vecna appeared enough to stay nullish-lean-town. Neph came out more scummy. Fox came out more null-leaning-scum.

I had a post written summarising this to post in case of lynch but ended up not needing it.

Why would you not post your impressions in case of not being lynched?

I did? It's just all very spread out throughout the day till now and since I'm alive to respond to it if anyone asks like you, there's no point :D

[Vecna]

This is the type of reasoning you really should not follow. EMC being modkilled and flipping scum would be way more devastating to scum since their entire plan would completely unravel here.

So, if emc was killed and turned scum, who would you have accused?

well we'd know donny was scum as well, and actually no longer be totally confused about the gamestate.

Also, EMC being scum would mean 100% that another very creative person is scum with him. That wouldve helped him come up with this plan, execute the details, run through the right sounding things to claim. Get him hyped to try this crazy thing.

That person would, once again, be brainbomb.

Who has also been defending EMC to the death, and pingponging on Bismarck 4 times now.

[e.m.c^42]

I'm also starting to think xorx is just scumreading me in a fun scheme to increase survival for both of us :D

[xorxes]

Theres also another very obvious explenation that xorxes isnt thinking of.

The playerlist was smarter than what the gm wanted. Reducing the 3rd party faction to just one role as EMC is describing is most likely a very easy way to reduce the overall setup and accomodate the number of people that signed up.

We did discuss that possibility when discussing what could be the case.

A faction of one that is forced to disappear after the first death is kind of lame to mention twice and even with an "at least one 3p".

In any case, I don't think we can do anything about a 3p until and unless we see some evidence of what it could be. The Chaqa-cult is now a very unlikely option.

[kgray]

To an extent it was me trying to get as much out there and interact with as many people that I could so that if I did get lynched people would be able to maximize the info.

That's such a scummy perspective, and not the first time you do this. Interactions with town give so little information compared to interactions with scum.

What do you mean? I poked at people I scumread and either moved on by townreading then or not townreading them. You, bozo, came out townier. RHK and Vecna appeared enough to stay nullish-lean-town. Neph came out more scummy. Fox came out more null-leaning-scum.

I had a post written summarising this to post in case of lynch but ended up not needing it.

You were very confident in the end that you wouldn't be lynched? Or modkilled, for that matter?

[e.m.c^42]

So, if emc was killed and turned scum, who would you have accused?

well we'd know donny was scum as well, and actually no longer be totally confused about the gamestate.

Also, EMC being scum would mean 100% that another very creative person is scum with him. That wouldve helped him come up with this plan, execute the details, run through the right sounding things to claim. Get him hyped to try this crazy thing.

That person would, once again, be brainbomb.

Who has also been defending EMC to the death, and pingponging on Bismarck 4 times now.

Oh no, very logical statement, that must apply more to you than him! Let me plot about vecna-emc scumteam possibility, since I want to appear scumreading the both of the anyways.

[Vecna]

I'm also starting to think xorx is just scumreading me in a fun scheme to increase survival for both of us :D

Scum would need some very interesting setup of roles to be able to kill you tonight

[kgray]

@Fox
- What makes you think dargo is so towny?

1) It was just my read of him. He'd been active and engaged. Scum Dargo is way lurkier, as I recall.

Does anyone else think Dargo is being active and engaged? I certainly don't, and I have no idea why Fox thinks so.

[e.m.c^42]

That's such a scummy perspective, and not the first time you do this. Interactions with town give so little information compared to interactions with scum.

What do you mean? I poked at people I scumread and either moved on by townreading then or not townreading them. You, bozo, came out townier. RHK and Vecna appeared enough to stay nullish-lean-town. Neph came out more scummy. Fox came out more null-leaning-scum.

I had a post written summarising this to post in case of lynch but ended up not needing it.

You were very confident in the end that you wouldn't be lynched? Or modkilled, for that matter?

Just incessant refreshing, a draft in another tab, and the fact that unless Sarah showed up it didn't seem like there would be moving. I did think I'd get modkilled, but then of course at that point we shouldn't post anymore.

[Foxcastle]

@Fox
- What makes you think dargo is so towny?

1) It was just my read of him. He'd been active and engaged. Scum Dargo is way lurkier, as I recall.

Does anyone else think Dargo is being active and engaged? I certainly don't, and I have no idea why Fox thinks so.

It's not much to go on, but when Dargo lurks as scum, he really lurks.

[Vecna]

well we'd know donny was scum as well, and actually no longer be totally confused about the gamestate.

Also, EMC being scum would mean 100% that another very creative person is scum with him. That wouldve helped him come up with this plan, execute the details, run through the right sounding things to claim. Get him hyped to try this crazy thing.

That person would, once again, be brainbomb.

Who has also been defending EMC to the death, and pingponging on Bismarck 4 times now.

Oh no, very logical statement, that must apply more to you than him! Let me plot about vecna-emc scumteam possibility, since I want to appear scumreading the both of the anyways.

I do have my creative moments!

Once as scum I managed to convince the town to lynch their IC, and better yet convince the NK immune 3rd party to hammer that IC which I knew would venge-kill the person hammering it. That was the only way to win in an impossible situation. that game was pretty crazy

[e.m.c^42]

I'm also starting to think xorx is just scumreading me in a fun scheme to increase survival for both of us :D

Scum would need some very interesting setup of roles to be able to kill you tonight ;)

Well, obviously more for him as the more he appears tunneling and not caring about other players, the more likely scum will leave him alive yanno? ;)

[Vecna]

Also, EMC being scum would mean 100% that another very creative person is scum with him. That wouldve helped him come up with this plan, execute the details, run through the right sounding things to claim. Get him hyped to try this crazy thing.

That person would, once again, be brainbomb.

Who has also been defending EMC to the death, and pingponging on Bismarck 4 times now.

Oh no, very logical statement, that must apply more to you than him! Let me plot about vecna-emc scumteam possibility, since I want to appear scumreading the both of the anyways.

I do have my creative moments!

Once as scum I managed to convince the town to lynch their IC, and better yet convince the NK immune 3rd party to hammer that IC which I knew would venge-kill the person hammering it. That was the only way to win in an impossible situation. that game was pretty crazy

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