M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[Jamiet99uk]

I personally think this is scum theater between you two, FWIW.

I'll try to leave a rather lengthy EoN readslist. If not, food and EMC can relay my thoughts from our QT (just make sure to have them check each other, and make sure EMC doesn't screenshot it).

Please clarify which two people you mean by "you two" ?

[Jamiet99uk]

And then there's Bozo.

Bozo did at least list Bismarck as a scumread several times during D2. That's a point in his favour, I suppose.

But then there was this, 12 minutes before the deadline:

Bismarck, do you want to tell us you[sic] role?

Moments after this, Bismarck did claim his role.

There was no reaction from Bozo, who kept his vote right there on Bismarck.

Hmm.

@Bozo: You called on Bismarck to claim. He did so. Why did you keep your vote on him?

Bismarck and emc were the only options at that point, and even though I think emc is likely town, I would have switched my vote to emc if I was sure Bismarck was the town JOAT. However, there were reasons to doubt Bismarck's claim. One, as Nephthys and Vecna pointed out, he could have been a mafia JOAT (you were the mafia JOAT in M1010). Also, earlier D2 Bismarck said this: "And I can confirm that I have a Town role on this island. Sure, a minor role, but a Town role nonetheless." It is now obvious he was downplaying his role to avoid being a NK target, but that was not as obvious when he claimed, it looked like he could have been claiming a strong role to avoid the lynch.

Why didn't you at least comment?

Why complete silence, no reaction at all, when someone you called upon to claim, has just claimed?

[Jamiet99uk]

So, what Nephthys said about the roles not being tied to alignment in his game is not true. Since he was using this information to explain why he was voting for foodcoats, it looks very suspicious to me.

This is a good spot, Bozo.

Neph is being very weird in general and it's interesting you've spotted this false statement.

[Jamiet99uk]

I personally think this is scum theater between you two, FWIW.

I'll try to leave a rather lengthy EoN readslist. If not, food and EMC can relay my thoughts from our QT (just make sure to have them check each other, and make sure EMC doesn't screenshot it).

Please clarify which two people you mean by "you two" ?

Sorry I see you answered this, never mind.

[damo666]

So, what Nephthys said about the roles not being tied to alignment in his game is not true. Since he was using this information to explain why he was voting for foodcoats, it looks very suspicious to me.

This is a good spot, Bozo.

Neph is being very weird in general and it's interesting you've spotted this false statement.

I agree there is something odd about Neph. He might be 3p with some kind of weird recruiting method perhaps.

I would be happy enough to see a wagon on him tomorrow

[dargorygel]

Thanks for your forbearance, all. Rough weekend. I’ll be back in the morning and willing to vote Bozo or nephy. I’m coming around on the emc thing. His copy/paste are not the act of a scum with a daychat.

Summit, have you stopped reading?

[rdrivera2005]

Thanks for your forbearance, all. Rough weekend. I’ll be back in the morning and willing to vote Bozo or nephy. I’m coming around on the emc thing. His copy/paste are not the act of a scum with a daychat.

Summit, have you stopped reading?

Do you think both Bozo and Nepthys are scum?

[damo666]

@rdr who is on your scum list?

[foodcoats]

My apologies, I was using the initial set up that I had planned not the final one I ended up using. You may recall, 47 was controversial in many aspects and numbers were changed a lot.

41 I am definitely correct about though (with the exception of role cop which was locktown [played by jamie])

I agree M41 meets your description. I do not remember any controversy about M47.

So, with the info we have now we don't know if roles are totally randomized or if there are scum/town roles.
My role could be either town or scum (but it's a lot less usefull for scum, so I was tendingto think it's not fully random). Also it can break the game balance far too easy.
And we don't know if Nepthys was lying or just remembering the wrong game, which is weird considering he GMed that one.

I think it is plain ridiculous to claim that worcej just rolled the dice. Does anyone seriously think that worcej would make no effort whatsoever to provide an interesting, balanced, fair game? This doesn't even brook discussion in my opinion and I think it's very reasonable to assume that roles fit their preferred alignment for power-balance reasons.

This is why "mafia tracker" is also a silly claim, in my opinion. I choose to believe that worcej gave the teams roles that would be useful to their team, and mafia need more power than a tracker in a game where the entire town team has abilities.

[Jamiet99uk]

I have still not decided who to visit.

Bozo does not seem worried. Hmm.

[foodcoats]

Foxcastle pinged me a lot D1. Reading Fox's D2, it is quite bland. There is a fair bit of content, but a lot of it... says nothing. The below is the most involved post I see from Fox on D2, but it is actually just a summary with the most modest of opinions:

I'd rather lynch EMC and see what we learn than not lynching him and setting a bunch of PRs on him to sort things out. We are already knee-deep in mechanics, and I think simplifying things is a better approach than making them more complicated.

EMC has tried to explain a lot of things, but not being totally coherent about it. Bozo catches him in this at one point (#2640), where EMC has been talking about how much he wanted to keep his role secret, but told Chaqa in the chat. Scum-EMC would obviously want to push the "Donny is town" theory, so claiming tracker would help with that.

I'm not particularly convinced by Foodcoats' claim that EMC is 66% likely to be town. As Jamiet has pointed out, "trust me on this, based on information you cannot have" is not a great case.

I don't like Neph's repeated challenges to Foodcoats to "vote for me" or the similar challenges to Vecna. I kinda want to see what happens: ##VOTE NEPH

Fox makes multiple posts complaining about being behind, complaining about being busy, and a lot of humdrum questions, often of the clarifying variety. Fox does not bother to look at anyone other than Neph or emc, who are both easy targets based on the emc debacle and Neph's behaviour.

In other words, Fox was pretty clearly not hunting.

[Jamiet99uk]

Perhaps none of the scum are worried about my visit, because they have decided to kill me. Uh oh.

[Jamiet99uk]

Alternatively, I might visit Chaqa. That would be an interesting idea. I hope he will give me a friendly welcome.

[dargorygel]

Thanks for your forbearance, all. Rough weekend. I’ll be back in the morning and willing to vote Bozo or nephy. I’m coming around on the emc thing. His copy/paste are not the act of a scum with a daychat.

Summit, have you stopped reading?

Do you think both Bozo and Nepthys are scum?

not really. But they are good enough to coordinate/misscoordinate. I also don't wanna forget flash.

Bye till tomorrow, assuming I survive the night

[Jamiet99uk]

@Foodcoats / EMC:

If Chaqa dies, do you two still get to communicate, or does his neighbourly QT die with him?

Asking for a friend.

[xorxes]

To an extent it was me trying to get as much out there and interact with as many people that I could so that if I did get lynched people would be able to maximize the info.

That's such a scummy perspective, and not the first time you do this. Interactions with town give so little information compared to interactions with scum.

[xorxes]

I'm not sold on that analysis.

Brainbomb has a habit of blurting things out.

As town, yes. But as scum?

I will not claim to know brain's scum mind well, but I am going to put it out there that when I was playing hostile 3P I did impulsively claim an NK attempt without thinking it through in a similar fashion - which hindsight puts it as a mistake.

Yep. That's why I would not be the least bit surprized if you impulsively claimed your role to Chaqa without having thought through what the consequences would be, and why all your "but why would I do this as scum?"s look so insincere to me. You know yourself very well and you know that you would be perfectly capable of doing that as scum.

[xorxes]

Hm?

Could you talk us through your thought process there, Xšaya-ṛšā?

If food is scum, Mafia more or less already knew what would happen and so his reaction could have been planned. Still a strange thing to do, but let's say possible.

If food is town, however, there's no way scum!brain could have predicted the outcome, so the reaction was spontaneous. I don't see why he would blurt out that he knew food's role (thinking it was Commuter). It is possible he did some quick thinking, realized it was Lightning Rod + Jailor, and came up with the Commuter story as a towntell, but I don't really see that happening.

Brain caught and quoted one of my crumbs. And the flavor was pretty obvious. And brain is very experienced. So I assume that's how he linked everything up. Though i was annoyed he called it out immediately.

Your crumbs were undecipherable. I still don't understand how they point to Lightning Rod. I think you confused Lightning Rod with Lighning Bolt, crumbed for Lighning Bolt, claimed Bolt Thrower, and then went back and checked that it was actually in fact Lighning Rod. So I don't think anyone could have figured out your role from your crumbs.

[xorxes]

I mean normally when I'm reaching making reads so...

Still think I'm scum, dear? ;p

Hopefully that won't be relevant as we can now confirm you

No we cannot. At best we can verify he is Tracker, but not his alignment. Unless it's via alignment scan or oracle or such, but that applies to everyone, not to emc specifically.

[xorxes]

But Bismarck definitely should've said something earlier.

However, the lack of traction that any counter wagon got in the day was concerning, especially in consideration the same thing happened D1 - we gained a lead wagon very early in the day and it never changed. An alternative was never close, at any point.

Well those getting lynched need to fight to survive. I think alternatives can develop, and I'm sure that day 2 could have gone down differently if Bismarck had spoken up earlier. Day 1 was pretty sensational.

Bismarck was probably asleep earlier, so he could hardly have done that. Not sure if some of the people voting for him were counting on that or not.