M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[Nephthys]

I'm also still not sure what to make of Neph lmao

I still believe he's taunting for something, but haven't thoughts anymore to motivation behind it.

If it helps neither do I

Stop it, stop it! He's already dead!

Na that was Bismarck

[Nephthys]

I'm also still not sure what to make of Neph lmao

I still believe he's taunting for something, but haven't thoughts anymore to motivation behind it.

Agreed. My first too scummy to be scum feeling. Doesn't mean he's a friend of town.

So you think I’m third party?

Sadly I’ve only ever been invited to two before

[summit_fever]

I'm also still not sure what to make of Neph lmao

I still believe he's taunting for something, but haven't thoughts anymore to motivation behind it.

Agreed. My first too scummy to be scum feeling. Doesn't mean he's a friend of town.

So you think I’m third party?

Sadly I’ve only ever been invited to two before

riddle and a mystery typed on an enigma.
Of course I hit send and get a grey screen of death.

[brainbomb]

kgray
Day-2 29:46
page 112 / orig

↑Jamiet99uk: "What were you doing, then? Deliberately plonking your vote on a wagon you didn't think was viable?"

emc and Chaqa were talking about having a counter wagon in case some mechanics things happened we didn't know about. I thought maybe Donny could be lynchproof, or someone could have some sort of power that lets them cast extra votes, or change a vote or something. So I was just trying to make sure that if Donny wasn't lynched for some reason, then Sarah would be the lynch instead.

If you thought donny was lynchproof wouldnt you have mentioned it? why would you start a vanity wagon and not say

"hey fam, donny cant die hes lynchproof"

[brainbomb]

Why was it different in your case?

But fair enough, I agree about pattern recognition being easy/natural to focus on. I certainly did that my first game, and probably still do too much. But, I think this is something that's pretty easy to notice as scum, just as much as town, so I think it's NAI from Bismarck.

You really have it in for me, kgray. I understand it if it's just because I am seen as "lurking". I certainly am not. And there's a lot of people here that simply make 1 liners in response to other nonsense and fill the pages of the thread. English is my second language, so reading the thread is slow, and this game has generated a whole lot of thread more than my other experience with the likes of Jamiet, Bomb, Fox, Flash, Damo, Vecna, and so on. I pick my targets carefully - I ask them questions after analysing their contributions. I try to work out scum. I don't assume that lurking is scummy - much the same as I don't assume that verbosity and page-filling with Walls means you are Town. And I can confirm that I have a Town role on this island. Sure, a minor role, but a Town role nonetheless.

I don't really care if someone posts walls or short responses, or if they have 20 or 200 posts in a phase, as long as the content of their posts indicates to me that they're trying to figure things out. I'm not getting that from you.

Can you point out anywhere where you ask someone a question in the way you described above? Some of your questions have obvious answers, like "who would benefit more from Donny's alignment not being revealed?" And some of them have answers you don't seem to care about. For example:

So, who defended Donny the strongest and when? That is where we may find Donny's accomplices...

I think this is a good, towny question. But you didn't follow up with any evidence that you'd tried to answer it yourself. That makes me think you're just trying to look like you're hunting. Did you actually go back to see who was defending Donny? Did you get any reads from looking into this?

Kgray seems desperate to hold on to her scumread here and it looks like she knows shes faking it. cracks are forming

[brainbomb]

It could also be that emc's role isn't meant to be it's own "faction" since his alignment (if he's being honest) is decided after the game starts but becomes one of mafia, town or 3p.

I disagree, kgray. This is how I am thinking about this important discussion:
21 people so, what would be REASONABLE scum number? 5?
Then we have 3p which is another faction we have to get rid of. So let's assume total people Town have to get rid of is 6.
So, 15 Town, 1 3p, and 5 mafia.
Now, assume Donny is Tracker as he claimed (Town). He dies, EMC takes over that. I would posit that EMC was originally Town, since it would be unfair to the setup if mafia EMC could then become Town if Donny was Town. Not so unfair if scum Donny dies, since mafia would stay the same.
So if my numbers are correct, we now have 20 people split up as 14 Town, 5 mafia and a 3p.
This is important, because we have to have some notion of what numbers of enemies we as Town are dealing with.

I really don't know what would be a reasonable number of mafia/3p. This is my third game of forum mafia, and my first with a closed setup, a 3rd party, and tons of roles. I cannot comment on what would be "fair" to any of the factions, I was simply stating what I thought was possible based on the wording of the information we do have.

Are you saying you think that emc is lying about originally being 3rd party, and you think emc started out as a town universal backup? If so, walk me through why emc does this.

the effort to engage bismark really goes off course into mech talk which kgray vooced as being uninteresting to her

[brainbomb]

simply put kgray is scum for her first time

[Nephthys]

im willing to vote bismark
I had him prematurely as town and thats evaporated

neph, im watching and reading. and ill judge you by who you lynch more than if I cant understand how you operate

youd be my last choice today

So thoughts on who I’ve lynched?

[Nephthys]

Brain, what changed your opinion of Kgray? I don’t think ?her? Play has changed recently at all...

[bozotheclown]

And then there's Bozo.

Bozo did at least list Bismarck as a scumread several times during D2. That's a point in his favour, I suppose.

But then there was this, 12 minutes before the deadline:

Bismarck, do you want to tell us you[sic] role?

Moments after this, Bismarck did claim his role.

There was no reaction from Bozo, who kept his vote right there on Bismarck.

Hmm.

@Bozo: You called on Bismarck to claim. He did so. Why did you keep your vote on him?

Bismarck and emc were the only options at that point, and even though I think emc is likely town, I would have switched my vote to emc if I was sure Bismarck was the town JOAT. However, there were reasons to doubt Bismarck's claim. One, as Nephthys and Vecna pointed out, he could have been a mafia JOAT (you were the mafia JOAT in M1010). Also, earlier D2 Bismarck said this: "And I can confirm that I have a Town role on this island. Sure, a minor role, but a Town role nonetheless." It is now obvious he was downplaying his role to avoid being a NK target, but that was not as obvious when he claimed, it looked like he could have been claiming a strong role to avoid the lynch.

[bozotheclown]

I'd like to point out that at this time:

Bozo
Damo
Dargor
Demon
flash
Sarah
TheMarche
Brain (his one doesn't count and shouldn't have been made)

are non posters during night 2

The phase is just under four hours old and various people live in different time zones. I should go to bed as it's nearly 2am here. I don't think people's lack of posting four hours into a 24 hour phase is all that indicative.

However, the fact that Bozo and Brain were around for EoD but vanished around the point of Bismarck's flip?

Hmmm.

This is more confirmation bias at best. Bismarck's alignment was announce 29 minutes after the end of D2. You have no idea when I "vanished".

[bozotheclown]

JUST LYNCH EMC HERE PLEASE

TOWN JOAT IS MORE USEFUL THAN TOWN TRACKER

LYNCHING EMC CONFIRMS DONNY'S ALIGNMENT

IT IS THE BEST CALL

VOTE EMC

JOAT is also the most used scum role jamiet

lynch bismarck

EMC can get modkilled

Is this anywhere close to being true?

JOAT is certainly not the most used scum role on this site. I reviewed recent games, and there were mafia JOATs in M1010 and M41, and town JOATs in M50 and M37.

[bozotheclown]

I was thinking about something Nephthys said about the role assignments potentially being random, so that a scum Lightning Rod or scum Tracker would be more likely than if town and scum were assigned more traditional roles. (Neighborizer as a scum role would be tricky, as a scum Neighborizer recruiting town members would not be expected.)

Here is the post where Nephthys suggested random roles:

Also ##vote food.

Could you explain how do you think a Lighting Rod is scum or do you think Brain and Jamiet are also scum and lying about it?
I am starting to feel as you are faking this confusion.

I think that, like everyone role madness I'm aware of (41,47) including one of which I GMed, the roles, for the most part, are not tied to alignment. They are rolled independently

While researching this, I found out that in M47, where Nephthys was the GM, what he said was not accurate:

SETUP INFORMATION

TOWN (15) – To be selected from

1. Chimp – 1-shot vig
2. Sloth – Tree stump
3. Dog – Tracker (turn 2/3)
4. Dugong – Mason
5. Eagle – Commuter (odd turns from 3)
6. Albatross – Lover
7. Octopus – Vote stealer (single use)
8. Ring Tailed Lemur – Doctor (turns 4+)
9. Crayfish – bulletproof (turn 1)
10. Gerrothorax – Jailer (turn 2,5,9)
11. Woolly Mammoth – Inno child (turn 7+)
12. Naked mole rat – Vanilla
13. Pangolin – Vanilla
14. Meerkat – Watcher (turn 3/4)
15. Pallas Cat – Divine presence [N1]
16. Okapi – Vanilla
17. Tortoise – Absorber (single use)
18. Anglerfish - Oracle
19. Llama – Mason
20. Stick Insect – 1 Use role cop
21. Harpy Eagle – Vanilla

MAFIA (5) – To be selected from

1. Owl – Roleblocker Turns 2-4
2. Cow – Diseases
3. Human – 1x Double vote, 1x strongarm (must be used with ant),
4. Anaconda – Goon
5. Crab – Power Thief (Conditional)
6. Ant – Killer, if alive, must always carry out the night kill.
7. Orca – Janitor Night 1

So, what Nephthys said about the roles not being tied to alignment in his game is not true. Since he was using this information to explain why he was voting for foodcoats, it looks very suspicious to me.

[bozotheclown]

I would be impressed if xorxes and emc are scum teammates, or Chaqa, emc, and foodcoats.

[Nephthys]

I was thinking about something Nephthys said about the role assignments potentially being random, so that a scum Lightning Rod or scum Tracker would be more likely than if town and scum were assigned more traditional roles. (Neighborizer as a scum role would be tricky, as a scum Neighborizer recruiting town members would not be expected.)

Here is the post where Nephthys suggested random roles:

Could you explain how do you think a Lighting Rod is scum or do you think Brain and Jamiet are also scum and lying about it?
I am starting to feel as you are faking this confusion.

I think that, like everyone role madness I'm aware of (41,47) including one of which I GMed, the roles, for the most part, are not tied to alignment. They are rolled independently

While researching this, I found out that in M47, where Nephthys was the GM, what he said was not accurate:

SETUP INFORMATION

TOWN (15) – To be selected from

1. Chimp – 1-shot vig
2. Sloth – Tree stump
3. Dog – Tracker (turn 2/3)
4. Dugong – Mason
5. Eagle – Commuter (odd turns from 3)
6. Albatross – Lover
7. Octopus – Vote stealer (single use)
8. Ring Tailed Lemur – Doctor (turns 4+)
9. Crayfish – bulletproof (turn 1)
10. Gerrothorax – Jailer (turn 2,5,9)
11. Woolly Mammoth – Inno child (turn 7+)
12. Naked mole rat – Vanilla
13. Pangolin – Vanilla
14. Meerkat – Watcher (turn 3/4)
15. Pallas Cat – Divine presence [N1]
16. Okapi – Vanilla
17. Tortoise – Absorber (single use)
18. Anglerfish - Oracle
19. Llama – Mason
20. Stick Insect – 1 Use role cop
21. Harpy Eagle – Vanilla

MAFIA (5) – To be selected from

1. Owl – Roleblocker Turns 2-4
2. Cow – Diseases
3. Human – 1x Double vote, 1x strongarm (must be used with ant),
4. Anaconda – Goon
5. Crab – Power Thief (Conditional)
6. Ant – Killer, if alive, must always carry out the night kill.
7. Orca – Janitor Night 1

So, what Nephthys said about the roles not being tied to alignment in his game is not true. Since he was using this information to explain why he was voting for foodcoats, it looks very suspicious to me.

My apologies, I was using the initial set up that I had planned not the final one I ended up using. You may recall, 47 was controversial in many aspects and numbers were changed a lot.

41 I am definitely correct about though (with the exception of role cop which was locktown [played by jamie])

[bozotheclown]

At the risk of getting scum read by Vecna and Jamie:

Confirmed:
BismarckAlive: Town JOAT

Claims:
Donny Dude: Tracker
emc: Third Party Universal Backup (now Tracker)
foodcoats: Lightning Rod
Chaqa: Neighborizer
Jamie: visiting role
brainbomb: visiting role
Vecna: item delivering role

[Chaqa]

I personally think this is scum theater between you two, FWIW.

I'll try to leave a rather lengthy EoN readslist. If not, food and EMC can relay my thoughts from our QT (just make sure to have them check each other, and make sure EMC doesn't screenshot it).

[bozotheclown]

I was thinking about something Nephthys said about the role assignments potentially being random, so that a scum Lightning Rod or scum Tracker would be more likely than if town and scum were assigned more traditional roles. (Neighborizer as a scum role would be tricky, as a scum Neighborizer recruiting town members would not be expected.)

Here is the post where Nephthys suggested random roles:

I think that, like everyone role madness I'm aware of (41,47) including one of which I GMed, the roles, for the most part, are not tied to alignment. They are rolled independently

While researching this, I found out that in M47, where Nephthys was the GM, what he said was not accurate:

SETUP INFORMATION

TOWN (15) – To be selected from

1. Chimp – 1-shot vig
2. Sloth – Tree stump
3. Dog – Tracker (turn 2/3)
4. Dugong – Mason
5. Eagle – Commuter (odd turns from 3)
6. Albatross – Lover
7. Octopus – Vote stealer (single use)
8. Ring Tailed Lemur – Doctor (turns 4+)
9. Crayfish – bulletproof (turn 1)
10. Gerrothorax – Jailer (turn 2,5,9)
11. Woolly Mammoth – Inno child (turn 7+)
12. Naked mole rat – Vanilla
13. Pangolin – Vanilla
14. Meerkat – Watcher (turn 3/4)
15. Pallas Cat – Divine presence [N1]
16. Okapi – Vanilla
17. Tortoise – Absorber (single use)
18. Anglerfish - Oracle
19. Llama – Mason
20. Stick Insect – 1 Use role cop
21. Harpy Eagle – Vanilla

MAFIA (5) – To be selected from

1. Owl – Roleblocker Turns 2-4
2. Cow – Diseases
3. Human – 1x Double vote, 1x strongarm (must be used with ant),
4. Anaconda – Goon
5. Crab – Power Thief (Conditional)
6. Ant – Killer, if alive, must always carry out the night kill.
7. Orca – Janitor Night 1

So, what Nephthys said about the roles not being tied to alignment in his game is not true. Since he was using this information to explain why he was voting for foodcoats, it looks very suspicious to me.

My apologies, I was using the initial set up that I had planned not the final one I ended up using. You may recall, 47 was controversial in many aspects and numbers were changed a lot.

41 I am definitely correct about though (with the exception of role cop which was locktown [played by jamie])

I agree M41 meets your description. I do not remember any controversy about M47.

[bozotheclown]

I personally think this is scum theater between you two, FWIW.

I'll try to leave a rather lengthy EoN readslist. If not, food and EMC can relay my thoughts from our QT (just make sure to have them check each other, and make sure EMC doesn't screenshot it).

Who are you talking to?

[Chaqa]

You and Neph re: scum theater