M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[summit_fever]

I want to check the accuracy of Summit's summary (summitary?) there, but assuming it's accurate, Brainbomb and Bozo stand out there. Vecna too, to some extent, but he was already a high profile participant at EoD so for now I'm going to look at Brainbomb and Bozo.

Please do. My perceptions are in that post, and others could have different perceptions.

[Chaqa]

I'm not attempting to do either of those things.

Why don't we examine the Bismarck voters first, and then see what conclusions can be drawn?

You're attempting to debate the conclusions before looking for the evidence.

I'm asking you to do the work instead of telling others to

The fuck?

I'm seriously running out of patience with you Chaqa. I don't like your attitude here at all and it's challenging my attempts to stay calm.

Where am I "telling others" to do any fucking thing?

Piss off.

You're the one who got all pissy and confrontational, man.

Let's just cool down. I don't think you're scummy at all, just frustrated with you only taking jabs and not being constructive.

[xorxes]

brainbomb: Voted Bismarck as a policy lynch assuming the unvote was going to hold. I don't see any reason to make this assumption, as Bismarck was around at the end of day 1 and dropped in his vote with 3 minutes to go. Highly unlikely anybody would conclude that Bismarck was going to finish day 2 on an unvote.

Bismarck had not posted for 10 hours or so and lives on the other side of the globe so it was not unreasonable to think he might not make it. Other people had been discussing the possibility he might be modkilled before brainbomb did.

Chaqa: To me, doesn't like lurkers. Does not believe Bismarck is paying attention. Also points out Brainbomb's "faux outrage" regarding the rules should Bismarck end up on an unvote (which was never going to happen anyway)

We can now assume that Chaqa is a clear for all intents and purposes. At least for as long as there is no news of a recruiting 3rd party that might want to recruit him. Emc's reason for assuming he is town is pretty convincing.

emc: Slight townread of Bismarck that was tempered by suspicions of Bismarck attempting to look better than he was. Joined Chaqa in the vote rather nonchalantly

His vote was forced in order to save himself, so it doesn't really tell us anything about his alignment.

[summit_fever]

brainbomb: Voted Bismarck as a policy lynch assuming the unvote was going to hold. I don't see any reason to make this assumption, as Bismarck was around at the end of day 1 and dropped in his vote with 3 minutes to go. Highly unlikely anybody would conclude that Bismarck was going to finish day 2 on an unvote.

Bismarck had not posted for 10 hours or so and lives on the other side of the globe so it was not unreasonable to think he might not make it. Other people had been discussing the possibility he might be modkilled before brainbomb did.

Chaqa: To me, doesn't like lurkers. Does not believe Bismarck is paying attention. Also points out Brainbomb's "faux outrage" regarding the rules should Bismarck end up on an unvote (which was never going to happen anyway)

We can now assume that Chaqa is a clear for all intents and purposes. At least for as long as there is no news of a recruiting 3rd party that might want to recruit him. Emc's reason for assuming he is town is pretty convincing.

emc: Slight townread of Bismarck that was tempered by suspicions of Bismarck attempting to look better than he was. Joined Chaqa in the vote rather nonchalantly

His vote was forced in order to save himself, so it doesn't really tell us anything about his alignment.

Do you know what time it is in Saxony at 2pm PDT? His timezone is better than PDT for someone who is still very involved in work.

[xorxes]

I think the most likely explanation is that scum were rather fine either way with the lynch, but with a slight preference toward lynching EMC.

Why would scum prefer to lynch emc? It seems scum would prefer to leave him alive if he was town, so that we can't confirm Donny's alignment. Also, most of the people voting for him did so with more conviction than the people voting for Bismarck, so he is more likely to remain a viable candidate. What makes you think they rather lynch emc?

[Jamiet99uk]

Well, guess it's now time to pick out who voted Bismarck because they scumread him and who did it to save me

Yes. We should indeed do that.

@Chaqa: A mislynch just happened.

Why are you so strongly opposed to looking into the motivations of the people who participated in the mislynch?

You went from 'we should indeed do that" to "why are YOU so opposed to..."

Your point being?

I was keen to do the thing EMC suggested but then I saw you challenging the validity of the possible conclusions even before there were any.

Nowhere did I tell anyone to go and do work I wasn't willing to do.

Putting words. People's mouths. Et fucking cetera.

[Chaqa]

I think the most likely explanation is that scum were rather fine either way with the lynch, but with a slight preference toward lynching EMC.

Why would scum prefer to lynch emc? It seems scum would prefer to leave him alive if he was town, so that we can't confirm Donny's alignment. Also, most of the people voting for him did so with more conviction than the people voting for Bismarck, so he is more likely to remain a viable candidate. What makes you think they rather lynch emc?

I think more fear of a Tracker than a new player.

[xorxes]

I want to check the accuracy of Summit's summary (summitary?) there, but assuming it's accurate, Brainbomb and Bozo stand out there. Vecna too, to some extent, but he was already a high profile participant at EoD so for now I'm going to look at Brainbomb and Bozo.

Well, he forgot to include one voter (summit).

[Chaqa]

Yes. We should indeed do that.

@Chaqa: A mislynch just happened.

Why are you so strongly opposed to looking into the motivations of the people who participated in the mislynch?

You went from 'we should indeed do that" to "why are YOU so opposed to..."

Your point being?

I was keen to do the thing EMC suggested but then I saw you challenging the validity of the possible conclusions even before there were any.

Nowhere did I tell anyone to go and do work I wasn't willing to do.

Putting words. People's mouths. Et fucking cetera.

I wasn't challenging validity. What we have here is a classic failure to communicate.

[summit_fever]

I really want to emphasise this. At 2pm PDT it is 11pm in Saxony (Maybe some of Saxony is GMT+1).

I believe it is unreasonable, given how Bismarck was playing, to come to the conclusion that an unvote at end of day 2 was a likely result.

[summit_fever]

I want to check the accuracy of Summit's summary (summitary?) there, but assuming it's accurate, Brainbomb and Bozo stand out there. Vecna too, to some extent, but he was already a high profile participant at EoD so for now I'm going to look at Brainbomb and Bozo.

Well, he forgot to include one voter (summit).

Yes I should have mentioned that. I think others should examine my play, though

[Nephthys]

brainbomb: Voted Bismarck as a policy lynch assuming the unvote was going to hold. I don't see any reason to make this assumption, as Bismarck was around at the end of day 1 and dropped in his vote with 3 minutes to go. Highly unlikely anybody would conclude that Bismarck was going to finish day 2 on an unvote.

Bismarck had not posted for 10 hours or so and lives on the other side of the globe so it was not unreasonable to think he might not make it. Other people had been discussing the possibility he might be modkilled before brainbomb did.

Chaqa: To me, doesn't like lurkers. Does not believe Bismarck is paying attention. Also points out Brainbomb's "faux outrage" regarding the rules should Bismarck end up on an unvote (which was never going to happen anyway)

We can now assume that Chaqa is a clear for all intents and purposes. At least for as long as there is no news of a recruiting 3rd party that might want to recruit him. Emc's reason for assuming he is town is pretty convincing.

emc: Slight townread of Bismarck that was tempered by suspicions of Bismarck attempting to look better than he was. Joined Chaqa in the vote rather nonchalantly

His vote was forced in order to save himself, so it doesn't really tell us anything about his alignment.

Do you know what time it is in Saxony at 2pm PDT? His timezone is better than PDT for someone who is still very involved in work.

Pretty sure based on one of his other posts he’s east coast australia

[xorxes]

brainbomb: Voted Bismarck as a policy lynch assuming the unvote was going to hold. I don't see any reason to make this assumption, as Bismarck was around at the end of day 1 and dropped in his vote with 3 minutes to go. Highly unlikely anybody would conclude that Bismarck was going to finish day 2 on an unvote.

Bismarck had not posted for 10 hours or so and lives on the other side of the globe so it was not unreasonable to think he might not make it. Other people had been discussing the possibility he might be modkilled before brainbomb did.

Chaqa: To me, doesn't like lurkers. Does not believe Bismarck is paying attention. Also points out Brainbomb's "faux outrage" regarding the rules should Bismarck end up on an unvote (which was never going to happen anyway)

We can now assume that Chaqa is a clear for all intents and purposes. At least for as long as there is no news of a recruiting 3rd party that might want to recruit him. Emc's reason for assuming he is town is pretty convincing.

emc: Slight townread of Bismarck that was tempered by suspicions of Bismarck attempting to look better than he was. Joined Chaqa in the vote rather nonchalantly

His vote was forced in order to save himself, so it doesn't really tell us anything about his alignment.

Do you know what time it is in Saxony at 2pm PDT? His timezone is better than PDT for someone who is still very involved in work.

I have no idea. This is what he said:

I feel I have to dispel some concerns I have read about me lurking. I am simply trying to read through the posts and come up with my reasons to voting how I vote. I am a teacher, and our predicament on this island started at the same time as assessment season at my school (which is functioning via Zoom). Add to that I am in an opposite time zone, so when I am awake most of you are catching ZZZZs. For example, I have been putting an exam online for the last few hours after 8 hours of school, dinner and a little downtime, and now It is 2:30am and time to sleep.
Vote ##Donny Dude
That scumslip on Secretary role did him in.

[summit_fever]

Pretty sure based on one of his other posts he’s east coast australia

Okay if that is true then he is 5 hours behind PDT which would be 9 in the morning. That would be much more annoying.

[Jamiet99uk]

I wasn't challenging validity. What we have here is a classic failure to communicate.

Okay, and I wasn't ordering people to do things.

Let's leave it.

[summit_fever]

Pretty sure based on one of his other posts he’s east coast australia

Okay if that is true then he is 5 hours behind PDT which would be 9 in the morning. That would be much more annoying.

Oh sorry 7 hours behind due to daylight savings. That would be horribly annoying.

[xorxes]

I think the most likely explanation is that scum were rather fine either way with the lynch, but with a slight preference toward lynching EMC.

Why would scum prefer to lynch emc? It seems scum would prefer to leave him alive if he was town, so that we can't confirm Donny's alignment. Also, most of the people voting for him did so with more conviction than the people voting for Bismarck, so he is more likely to remain a viable candidate. What makes you think they rather lynch emc?

I think more fear of a Tracker than a new player.

I guess we'll find out tonight how fearful of the purported Tracker they really are.

[Nephthys]

Pretty sure based on one of his other posts he’s east coast australia

Okay if that is true then he is 5 hours behind PDT which would be 9 in the morning. That would be much more annoying.

7, it’s 9 in nz

[xorxes]

I really want to emphasise this. At 2pm PDT it is 11pm in Saxony (Maybe some of Saxony is GMT+1).

I believe it is unreasonable, given how Bismarck was playing, to come to the conclusion that an unvote at end of day 2 was a likely result.

Whether it was reasonable or not, it was not an idea initiated by brainbomb, and it was a concern that several people raised, which you probably already know if you were reading the thread.

[Chaqa]

Why would scum prefer to lynch emc? It seems scum would prefer to leave him alive if he was town, so that we can't confirm Donny's alignment. Also, most of the people voting for him did so with more conviction than the people voting for Bismarck, so he is more likely to remain a viable candidate. What makes you think they rather lynch emc?

I think more fear of a Tracker than a new player.

I guess we'll find out tonight how fearful of the purported Tracker they really are.

Yeah, it's all WIFOM at this point anyway.

At least we know that if EMC does flip scum at some point, it's the biggest knowledge bomb we'll have lol