M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[kgray]

Well, guess it's now time to pick out who voted Bismarck because they scumread him and who did it to save me

Yes. We should indeed do that.

Assuming EMC is town, what would this tell us?

Assuming EMC is scum, what would this tell us?

Is this a real question? If emc is scum then people who voted Bismarck to save emc would obviously be suspect. And if you're going to say town could also have just been trying to save someone they thought was town, then that is always be true. How would this be different?

[e.m.c^42]

Oh, your area of expertise because this style of analysis is where you shine, normally.

[kgray]

Yes. We should indeed do that.

Assuming EMC is town, what would this tell us?

Assuming EMC is scum, what would this tell us?

Is this a real question? If emc is scum then people who voted Bismarck to save emc would obviously be suspect. And if you're going to say town could also have just been trying to save someone they thought was town, then that is always be true. How would this be different?

@Chaqa never mind, I see your response to Jamie. I misinterpreted what you meant too.

[xorxes]

But also because it was so close it tells us at least reads. Scum already know I'm tracker so obviously they'd prefer me to die over an unknown, if that makes sense?

Dunno, this is not something I do often.

I doubt scum would prefer you to die. Obviously not if you are scum. But even if you are town, they would prefer to keep a viable mislynch for tomorrow. Everyone is a PR, so I doubt you being a Tracker was a big consideration for them. Or do you think there's the least chance they will kill you tonight?

[Chaqa]

Yes. We should indeed do that.

Assuming EMC is town, what would this tell us?

Assuming EMC is scum, what would this tell us?

Is this a real question? If emc is scum then people who voted Bismarck to save emc would obviously be suspect. And if you're going to say town could also have just been trying to save someone they thought was town, then that is always be true. How would this be different?

I'm asking YOU to lay out your conclusions, not just throw a question out to the audience and make us do the work.

God, I feel like I speak a different language than the rest of you sometimes.

[Chaqa]

Assuming EMC is town, what would this tell us?

Assuming EMC is scum, what would this tell us?

Is this a real question? If emc is scum then people who voted Bismarck to save emc would obviously be suspect. And if you're going to say town could also have just been trying to save someone they thought was town, then that is always be true. How would this be different?

I'm asking YOU to lay out your conclusions, not just throw a question out to the audience and make us do the work.

God, I feel like I speak a different language than the rest of you sometimes.

Oh, for some reason I thought this was a Jamie post I was replying to. derp

[Jamiet99uk]

"strongly opposed"?

You like to put words in people's mouths

I am not attempting to misrepresent you. From my perspective, EMC said we should look into the people who voted for Bismarck, I agreed with him, and you immediately jumped in and questioned it.

Please clarify what your position is, then?

Assuming EMC is town, what would this tell us?

Assuming EMC is scum, what would this tell us?

This is indeed me questioning, I'm wondering what sort of information you think to find? I didn't shut down the discussion, I'm furthering it?

Why are you so strongly in favor of casting shade on and misinterpreting me?

I'm not attempting to do either of those things.

Why don't we examine the Bismarck voters first, and then see what conclusions can be drawn?

You're attempting to debate the conclusions before looking for the evidence.

[e.m.c^42]

But also because it was so close it tells us at least reads. Scum already know I'm tracker so obviously they'd prefer me to die over an unknown, if that makes sense?

Dunno, this is not something I do often.

I doubt scum would prefer you to die. Obviously not if you are scum. But even if you are town, they would prefer to keep a viable mislynch for tomorrow. Everyone is a PR, so I doubt you being a Tracker was a big consideration for them. Or do you think there's the least chance they will kill you tonight?

Eh, it's what I would do as scum. iirc historical precedent says that once I've been a leading wagon and not lynched, I don't come up as an option again - so it's usually a oneshot thing since I get townread more afterwards.

[e.m.c^42]

But then again I'm probably the only one who has drawn that conclusion so the point is moot.

[e.m.c^42]

I shall defer and wait to read before else then :D

[xorxes]

JUST LYNCH EMC HERE PLEASE

TOWN JOAT IS MORE USEFUL THAN TOWN TRACKER

LYNCHING EMC CONFIRMS DONNY'S ALIGNMENT

IT IS THE BEST CALL

VOTE EMC

JOAT is also the most used scum role jamiet

lynch bismarck

EMC can get modkilled

Is this anywhere close to being true?

[Chaqa]

I am not attempting to misrepresent you. From my perspective, EMC said we should look into the people who voted for Bismarck, I agreed with him, and you immediately jumped in and questioned it.

Please clarify what your position is, then?

Assuming EMC is town, what would this tell us?

Assuming EMC is scum, what would this tell us?

This is indeed me questioning, I'm wondering what sort of information you think to find? I didn't shut down the discussion, I'm furthering it?

Why are you so strongly in favor of casting shade on and misinterpreting me?

I'm not attempting to do either of those things.

Why don't we examine the Bismarck voters first, and then see what conclusions can be drawn?

You're attempting to debate the conclusions before looking for the evidence.

I'm asking you to do the work instead of telling others to

[Chaqa]

JUST LYNCH EMC HERE PLEASE

TOWN JOAT IS MORE USEFUL THAN TOWN TRACKER

LYNCHING EMC CONFIRMS DONNY'S ALIGNMENT

IT IS THE BEST CALL

VOTE EMC

JOAT is also the most used scum role jamiet

lynch bismarck

EMC can get modkilled

Is this anywhere close to being true?

Maybe in Role Madness. I've used JOAT on both sides, and sometimes in the same game simultaneously lol

He did vote to lynch Bismarck. Was this setting cover, or was he being earnest?

WIFOM.

[summit_fever]

In regards to Bismarck's mislynch:

Kgray: I understand her logic for voting Bismarck. Lurking isn't a crime, but lurking in that way isn't helpful to town.

rdrivera: Doesn't have a discernable reason for lynching Bismarck and admits to this. I liked his unwillingness to lynch emc and his other choice (dargo) seems reasonable as well.

foodcoats: "Bismarck returned I see and focused on counting bad guys rather than making reads..." Seems fair to me as I, too, was frustrated.

brainbomb: Voted Bismarck as a policy lynch assuming the unvote was going to hold. I don't see any reason to make this assumption, as Bismarck was around at the end of day 1 and dropped in his vote with 3 minutes to go. Highly unlikely anybody would conclude that Bismarck was going to finish day 2 on an unvote.

Chaqa: To me, doesn't like lurkers. Does not believe Bismarck is paying attention. Also points out Brainbomb's "faux outrage" regarding the rules should Bismarck end up on an unvote (which was never going to happen anyway)

emc: Slight townread of Bismarck that was tempered by suspicions of Bismarck attempting to look better than he was. Joined Chaqa in the vote rather nonchalantly

Bozo: Seemed more confident in claiming Bismarck as scum but waivered with 3 and half hours to go. "Less inclined to want to lynch BismarkAlive or Vecna based on their more recent posts" Jumped on the wagon with 13 minutes to go.

Demon: Also jumped on with 13 minutes to go. Bismarck was moving from clueless to purposefully unhelpful in Demon's eyes and claimed he would likely be moving on Bismarck with 2 hours to go.

Vecna: Didn't find Bismarck as scummy as Vecna had previously, and was concerned about Brainbomb's progression on Bismarck with no trigger. "Maybe Bismarck (but ive cooled off on this)" While lynching Bismarck noted that EMC may be modkilled.

I don't know how close he was to being modkilled or how others would have thought about this.

Seems pretty townish to me. Brain is the only one that raises an eyebrow for me and Vecna did have the deciding vote.

[Chaqa]

In regards to Bismarck's mislynch:

Kgray: I understand her logic for voting Bismarck. Lurking isn't a crime, but lurking in that way isn't helpful to town.

rdrivera: Doesn't have a discernable reason for lynching Bismarck and admits to this. I liked his unwillingness to lynch emc and his other choice (dargo) seems reasonable as well.

foodcoats: "Bismarck returned I see and focused on counting bad guys rather than making reads..." Seems fair to me as I, too, was frustrated.

brainbomb: Voted Bismarck as a policy lynch assuming the unvote was going to hold. I don't see any reason to make this assumption, as Bismarck was around at the end of day 1 and dropped in his vote with 3 minutes to go. Highly unlikely anybody would conclude that Bismarck was going to finish day 2 on an unvote.

Chaqa: To me, doesn't like lurkers. Does not believe Bismarck is paying attention. Also points out Brainbomb's "faux outrage" regarding the rules should Bismarck end up on an unvote (which was never going to happen anyway)

emc: Slight townread of Bismarck that was tempered by suspicions of Bismarck attempting to look better than he was. Joined Chaqa in the vote rather nonchalantly

Bozo: Seemed more confident in claiming Bismarck as scum but waivered with 3 and half hours to go. "Less inclined to want to lynch BismarkAlive or Vecna based on their more recent posts" Jumped on the wagon with 13 minutes to go.

Demon: Also jumped on with 13 minutes to go. Bismarck was moving from clueless to purposefully unhelpful in Demon's eyes and claimed he would likely be moving on Bismarck with 2 hours to go.

Vecna: Didn't find Bismarck as scummy as Vecna had previously, and was concerned about Brainbomb's progression on Bismarck with no trigger. "Maybe Bismarck (but ive cooled off on this)" While lynching Bismarck noted that EMC may be modkilled.

I don't know how close he was to being modkilled or how others would have thought about this.

Seems pretty townish to me. Brain is the only one that raises an eyebrow for me and Vecna did have the deciding vote.

I really love this post. I was already feeling good about summit, this furthers that. All his points make sense to me.

[Chaqa]

I think the most likely explanation is that scum were rather fine either way with the lynch, but with a slight preference toward lynching EMC.

[Jamiet99uk]

This is indeed me questioning, I'm wondering what sort of information you think to find? I didn't shut down the discussion, I'm furthering it?

Why are you so strongly in favor of casting shade on and misinterpreting me?

I'm not attempting to do either of those things.

Why don't we examine the Bismarck voters first, and then see what conclusions can be drawn?

You're attempting to debate the conclusions before looking for the evidence.

I'm asking you to do the work instead of telling others to

The fuck?

I'm seriously running out of patience with you Chaqa. I don't like your attitude here at all and it's challenging my attempts to stay calm.

Where am I "telling others" to do any fucking thing?

Piss off.

[Jamiet99uk]

I want to check the accuracy of Summit's summary (summitary?) there, but assuming it's accurate, Brainbomb and Bozo stand out there. Vecna too, to some extent, but he was already a high profile participant at EoD so for now I'm going to look at Brainbomb and Bozo.

[summit_fever]

I think the most likely explanation is that scum were rather fine either way with the lynch, but with a slight preference toward lynching EMC.

Indeed. I think the EMC wagon is worth a close look. Xorxes may have had good intentions. I'm not sure about that. But I'm fairly confident that day was not helpful to town. I would consider it a factor in the mislynch.

The Chaqa/emc/foodcoat triangle is interesting to say the least. If one or more is scum, let's also remember that there are likely more scum in the shadows, and it is worh it to take a peak in the darker corners. I think Vecna did that on day 2 with his Brainbomb concerns.

[Chaqa]

Well, guess it's now time to pick out who voted Bismarck because they scumread him and who did it to save me

Yes. We should indeed do that.

@Chaqa: A mislynch just happened.

Why are you so strongly opposed to looking into the motivations of the people who participated in the mislynch?

You went from 'we should indeed do that" to "why are YOU so opposed to..."