M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[Chaqa]

Catching up now

[Jamiet99uk]

Also, think of all the games where you feel the need to scumread brainbomb while he's town. Yet here you do not feel that urge. Why do you think that is?

Read my posts on his progression on certain people.

He is just positioning. He's not actually trying to solve. He is carefull. Tries not to piss off people.

Why does scum!brainbomb claim to know food's role at start of day, apparently thinking Commuter? That's something I have been trying to figure out unsuccessfully.

I think his initial reaction at being told "you cannot find him" was that Foodcoats had commuted.

[e.m.c^42]

What I got was a message saying "You attempt to [REDACTED] Foodcoats, but fail to do so because you cannot find him..."

So, it did not specifically tell me I had been redirected, as such, but I knew I had been, since the target of my action, as per my order to the GM, was Bozotheclown.

Confirming this

I couldn't find him obviously, so no.

how many elipses

Three. I attempted but failed as I cannot find him.

[Vecna]

I don't think so. A lot of other people have already said their actions failed.

DID SOMEONE ACTUALLY SAY THAT THEIR ACTION FAILED? BEFORE THIS? I DONT REMEMBER THAT AT ALL

If scum dont have daychat this might be someone signalling the correct answer

My purpose with that particular phrasing was to try to draw a bad answer from EMC. Others had already discussed the jailer and that actions hadn't gone through since the target couldn't be found. When Brain asked, though, he basically led EMC to the right answer. Go back and read his question to EMC. I forget exactly what he said, but my recollection is that he asked EMC what happened with his action, and then basically gave him the answer by asking "did it fail or were you unable to find the target." My hope was that if EMC saw my clarification, he would mimic it in his response, and thereby out himself as having lied. Which is not what happened, obviously.

Interesting.

But there was something with eclipses right? Because EMC guessed 3?

@jamiet?

Anyways, whatever.

[kgray]

Why does scum!brainbomb claim to know food's role at start of day, apparently thinking Commuter? That's something I have been trying to figure out unsuccessfully.

We are assuming the NK was redirected to foodcoats and failed, so would the scum performing the NK get a message saying foodcoats was not NKed?

I assume they would, but if that was brain, why would he say that he could not find food before figuring out that many other people got pretty much the same message. It looked like he was eager to divulge information only he had. I guess it could be fake, but seems a bit elaborate to do that.

Hmm. Weird that you're using something being "elaborate" as a reason why you don't think it's likely to have happened. If you're going to make that connection, then surely emc making up the 3p universal backup role would be more "elaborate," and therefore even less likely to be true?

[Jamiet99uk]

CALLING EMC VOTERS

If emc is lynched and flips town what is plan B?

Lynch Bozotheclown, or perhaps Brainbomb?

[e.m.c^42]

Lol Jamie doesn't that break the rule about no revealing GM communications.

Or is it just direct quoting with the forum thing.

[Chaqa]

@Chaqa,

Did you have to send worcej the command ##recruit emc in order to give him access to your QT?

If not, why did you tell emc that you *rercruited* him?

Did you recruit anyone else on D2?

No, that is not the command I had to send.

It was just the word choice I used ‍♂️

[Jamiet99uk]

DID SOMEONE ACTUALLY SAY THAT THEIR ACTION FAILED? BEFORE THIS? I DONT REMEMBER THAT AT ALL

If scum dont have daychat this might be someone signalling the correct answer

My purpose with that particular phrasing was to try to draw a bad answer from EMC. Others had already discussed the jailer and that actions hadn't gone through since the target couldn't be found. When Brain asked, though, he basically led EMC to the right answer. Go back and read his question to EMC. I forget exactly what he said, but my recollection is that he asked EMC what happened with his action, and then basically gave him the answer by asking "did it fail or were you unable to find the target." My hope was that if EMC saw my clarification, he would mimic it in his response, and thereby out himself as having lied. Which is not what happened, obviously.

Interesting.

But there was something with eclipses right? Because EMC guessed 3?

@jamiet?

Anyways, whatever.

The word was "ellipses" and I think it was Brainbomb asking.

He means the three full stops at the end of the phrase in the PM from the GM saying that Foodcoats could not be found "…"

[e.m.c^42]

Interesting.

But there was something with eclipses right? Because EMC guessed 3?

@jamiet?

Anyways, whatever.

Wasn't a guess, it was worded specifically in a way that anyone who had a night action would recognise it and anyone who didn't wouldn't realise.

[xorxes]

That's a bit all or nothing.

So you're saying, I shouldn't have mentioned anything about Donny's alignment at all and left town in the dark about the janitored flip?

Your role, if it is as you claim, is pretty awful. If town lynches someone D1 it's because they were found to be the scummiest. If then someone shows up D2 saying they are the exact same role, but the D1 flip was hidden, there's very little reason not to lynch them again. So your only chance of not being lynched D2 is either keep quiet and do your own thing, or come clean and somehow convince town that they made a mistake on D1. You (with help from Chaqa to be sure) did neither of those things. Nothing that you did has convinced me that we made a mistake with Donny. I said from the start that I was willing to consider lynching someone else, but instead of helping me with that you started questioning my motives for wanting to lynch you, and a good chunk of the day was wasted on that pointless discussion.

If you actually feel this way, why didnt you talk to Damo for voting me over "setting up" donny?

why the tunnel focus on EMC?

Are you the real 3p and you know he's lying?

No, I'm town. I admit I have not paid a lot of attention to damo. I have a soft spot for him and tend to give him the benefit of the doubt.

The "tunnel" is because I strongly believe Donny was scum. Do you no longer believe that? I still see no better explanation for the secretary thing.

As for emc, the way he argued with me I found way more scummy than towny. He was apparently trying to personify teacon so as to make our "debate" look TvT. I also didn't like how he tried to throw rivera's "motivation" schtick at me. All in all, he did not convince me.

[Vecna]

On the other hand, lost shepherd boy vibes.

That is vague enough that I have no way to respond to it.

Yeah, I think Bozo might actually be town. Initial gut was maybe correct.

At least he attacks a little bit

[bozotheclown]

Why does scum!brainbomb claim to know food's role at start of day, apparently thinking Commuter? That's something I have been trying to figure out unsuccessfully.

We are assuming the NK was redirected to foodcoats and failed, so would the scum performing the NK get a message saying foodcoats was not NKed?

You are presuming his whole thing about commuter was just for show then? Since unless we have a third party jailer type of action, then he obviously already knows what happens.

The only way this works is if they were aiming at food in the first place.

I do not think that is what happened, but the scum performing the NK probably knew what was going on.

[xorxes]

As for EMC, I wonder if he was compelled to go all-in because of Chaqa outing him?

You think I'd commit this much as scum? I'm flattered.

Have you ever committed this much as town?

[Vecna]

That's not the main reason I think that you are scum.

What is the main reason you think I am scum?

You've been very distant, at times really seeming not to be very engaged at all. In terms of a potential lynch you've focussed on SarahK and haven't really strongly looked into anyone else to any level of detail as I'd expect town Bozo to do. A lot of your posts are one-sentence reactions to people, especially when they mention you. You don't seem to be on the front foot, as you usually are as town.

Although I also couldnt really argue against this...

[e.m.c^42]

As for emc, the way he argued with me I found way more scummy than towny. He was apparently trying to personify teacon so as to make our "debate" look TvT. I also didn't like how he tried to throw rivera's "motivation" schtick at me. All in all, he did not convince me.

Mind you, I said those words long before he did. You just didn't pay attention until it was from him.

[Chaqa]

Did EMC explain why he outted being a tracker now, as opposed to staying hidden and getting valuable results?

Chaqa outed him, because Chaqa "recruited" him into a private QT that they share, and which foodcoats apparently now shares as well.

???

[e.m.c^42]

As for emc, the way he argued with me I found way more scummy than towny. He was apparently trying to personify teacon so as to make our "debate" look TvT. I also didn't like how he tried to throw rivera's "motivation" schtick at me. All in all, he did not convince me.

Mind you, I said those words long before he did. You just didn't pay attention until it was from him.

See here

Motivation, darlin's, motivation

[Jamiet99uk]

Lol Jamie doesn't that break the rule about no revealing GM communications.

Or is it just direct quoting with the forum thing.

There's a rule against copying "personal correspondence" with the GM, and there's a rule against sharing *screenshots* of PMs.

I don't consider discussing the format and style of a Night Result PM, the general format of which would have been sent to multiple players, to constitute "personal correspondence". I have always understood this to refer to sharing the content of specific exchanges of messages with the GM such as a private "call GM" clarification on your role, etc.

In any case Worcej will not confirm or deny the wording I've used, so make of it what you will.

[xorxes]

There was a Lightning Rod, Vecna.

That's how a Lightning Rod works. It redirects your action from whoever you meant to target, onto the Lightning Rod, in this case apparently Foodcoats.

However in this case, if there was also a Jailor or similar, then they would be redirected onto Foodcoats, jail him, and thus prevent all other actions.

This was all explained in some detail earlier.

I know this Jamiet. Its just very unusual for the mod to tell you who you were redirected to.

That is not lightning rod canon at all. But it was later specified the role is also called differently.

I don't think that was specified.