M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[e.m.c^42]

See, you are asking for impossible thing in counter to scumreading Donny because of the source of the read. He did make what still reads like a slip and since he is dead there is no amount of explaining anyone can do.

[e.m.c^42]

It's like an ideological war, you either believe or you don't, there's no sell lol

[brainbomb]

emc really doesnt ever play like this. hes been scum before and it was nothing like this

[e.m.c^42]

emc really doesnt ever play like this. hes been scum before and it was nothing like this

I've been town and 3P and nothing like this, haha

[brainbomb]

emc really doesnt ever play like this. hes been scum before and it was nothing like this

I've been town and 3P and nothing like this, haha

Its emc evolution and we still wanna kill him anyway.

what a sad story

[e.m.c^42]

emc really doesnt ever play like this. hes been scum before and it was nothing like this

I've been town and 3P and nothing like this, haha

Its emc evolution and we still wanna kill him anyway.

what a sad story

:(

D'ya wanna trigger Neph's trap, whatever it is?

[Jamiet99uk]

I did not target foodcoats
I was told my night action was unable to reach foodcoats

thus scum person who carried kill probably got that pm also.

and all night actions were refunded I assume?

This is really weird. You did not target foodcoats, but really got a reply you were unable to reach foodcoats? That would be some very unusual resolution because this is not how any type of role would normally work.

I did not target foodcoats
I was told my night action was unable to reach foodcoats

thus scum person who carried kill probably got that pm also.

and all night actions were refunded I assume?

This is also a bad assumption

For the sake of saying this, I had the same experience as Brainbomb.

I'm assuming that what happened is that Foodcoats is the Lightning Rod, and we have a Jailor in play.

Nothing else really makes sense.

Really now? How odd of a design

There was a Lightning Rod, Vecna.

That's how a Lightning Rod works. It redirects your action from whoever you meant to target, onto the Lightning Rod, in this case apparently Foodcoats.

However in this case, if there was also a Jailor or similar, then they would be redirected onto Foodcoats, jail him, and thus prevent all other actions.

This was all explained in some detail earlier.

[e.m.c^42]

And I know right, it's such a heartbreaking tragedy. Almost as sad as the cheese story.

[kgray]

Oh, what the hell, you're so fucking intent on outing roles to an exact and then not believing any of it. Why do I townread you so much again lol

I bet if I never said anything you would've latched onto Brain or Jamie.

So should I assume this frustration is exaggerated to, or...?

What do you mean? :D

You implied earlier that you were modifying your tone intentionally, and that showing frustration is a choice. So I'm wondering if the irritation you're implying here is somewhat fabricated.

I guess I'm just really sick of this interaction. It's based on that fact that you're claiming xorxes made some illogical statement. He did not. Xorxes is a very logical person, and it makes total sense that he'd want to correct you and defend his reasoning. You have been ignoring (or failing to understand) that what he said is not logically inconsistent, and it's definitely bothering me that others are buying into your "side" of things.

And now, with this post, you are implying that you're second-guessing your townread of xorxes, while going back to a "frustrated" syntax. It makes me wonder if you're trying to encourage the idea that xorxes is getting into pointless details to discount his arguments, but at the same time you're encouraging him to get into those details.

I don't know. I think I'm not going to comment on this anymore, it's not helpful and it's just getting tedious.

[e.m.c^42]

Kgray reminds me of noob!Neph or Kit in some ways with how I'm pretty sure she can appear analytical regardless of alignment. Dunno how much weight to put on brain's thing of less aggression being alignment indicative.

[xorxes]

I don't think at all that Chaqa is a 3p who recruited emc in his team. Why would he have outed him at the end of N1 if so? I'm sure of few things, and one of them is that they're probably not in the same faction unless they're both town.

I don't know what to think about that anymore. But Chaqa did use the word "recruit" to describe what he did to emc. And now foodcoats appears to be in on the secret, whatever the secret is.

What leads you to assume it is the same secret, or that it comes from the same source?

Because it was all about emc and he talked about Chaqa, and I had just asked Chaqa if he had recruited anyone today, so I was assuming. Maybe there are other day actions flying around, but so far we've only heard of Chaqa's.

[e.m.c^42]

So should I assume this frustration is exaggerated to, or...?

What do you mean? :D

You implied earlier that you were modifying your tone intentionally, and that showing frustration is a choice. So I'm wondering if the irritation you're implying here is somewhat fabricated.

I guess I'm just really sick of this interaction. It's based on that fact that you're claiming xorxes made some illogical statement. He did not. Xorxes is a very logical person, and it makes total sense that he'd want to correct you and defend his reasoning. You have been ignoring (or failing to understand) that what he said is not logically inconsistent, and it's definitely bothering me that others are buying into your "side" of things.

And now, with this post, you are implying that you're second-guessing your townread of xorxes, while going back to a "frustrated" syntax. It makes me wonder if you're trying to encourage the idea that xorxes is getting into pointless details to discount his arguments, but at the same time you're encouraging him to get into those details.

I don't know. I think I'm not going to comment on this anymore, it's not helpful and it's just getting tedious.

Yeah! This is exactly what I meant, she is analytical person.

[xorxes]

See, you are asking for impossible thing in counter to scumreading Donny because of the source of the read. He did make what still reads like a slip and since he is dead there is no amount of explaining anyone can do.

I understand. But if your claim is true, you are the only one in the priviliged position of knowing that, and so you could have been analysing what went on D1 with that perspective, instead of wasting time on less productive things.

[xorxes]

emc really doesnt ever play like this. hes been scum before and it was nothing like this

D1 or D2? He may not have had the same alignment each day.

[e.m.c^42]

But the question is whether being skeptical is being scum and hedging or town holding back and evolving evaluation. I'm tempted towards second so change from somewhat disagree to disagree, townread. Scum would be satisfied not bothering to go into it.

[Vecna]

That's nasty.

Hence the self vote?

If that is true, Vecna becomes a major suspect. I don't know if worcej would do that to us though.

And now Xorxes is using speculation by jamiet on roles as reasons for potential connections? Thats some dodgy stuff

For the sake of saying this, I had the same experience as Brainbomb.

I'm assuming that what happened is that Foodcoats is the Lightning Rod, and we have a Jailor in play.

Nothing else really makes sense.

Jailor is a roleblocker type. Since the Lightning Rod attracted it, this should answer your question about adjudication order.

If the Lightning Rod attract all actions, it makes sense that it is first. The Lightning Rod would therefore likely attract a commute from the commuter, so the action does not have to be directed to someone else like a jailer.

People that dont understand how basic roles work should probably stop commenting on this stuff to cut out all the fluff in this game. Commuters dont visit/target so cannot be attracted

I do wonder a little bit if Jamie is being genuine though

Jamie is the towniest townsperson in townsville

Damo has gone from making some decent posts to completely useless fluff again.

Posting this before EoN because I have at least a minor concern I messed up and might be night-killed.

My role, as people guessed and I said, has something to do with +1 interactions. However, I purposefully misrepresented it to give me a longer-term cover story. That said, the way Day 1 progressed, I've already used up my role and figured I should put out a dying declaration just in case.

Basically, my role didn't actually require me to +1 EVERY post. I said that in the hopes that others would +1 me in return, though this didn't really prove to be the case. My role gives me a one-shot ability to open a night QT with someone who +1's a post of mine.

Why would you expect anyone to +1 in return you if you were +1'ing everything mechanically? Wouldn't you be more likely to be reciprocated if your +1's appeared to be meaningful at least?

Can you still use the QT now, or only N1, or every night?

What happens if one of you dies? Can anyone else join the QT?

I can't say I thought through the logic of reciprocating +1's completely. I thought more people would be like EMC and myself and be throwing them out willingly, especially if I was +1'ing all posts.

I'd prefer to not disclose the full details of how the QT works at this time.

I used this ability to open a Night 1 QT with EMC. He was notified about this QT during Day 1, as it's instantaneous (this was a bit unclear to me at the time. I tried to withdraw the action but found out he had already received the QT link, albeit we couldn't post yet).

Why did you try to withdraw the action? At what time during D1 did you open the QT?

I was feeling like I would have more options in the future, and EMC seemed a little off to me, so I wasn't sure I wanted to link up with him.

I sent the original PM to grab EMC at 10:40 AM on Tuesday. I attempted to withdraw it around 8:30 PM that night, only to be informed it was too late as he was given the link to my QT (which had existed since start of game).

EMC informed me in this QT of what his role was. I don't want to say here yet, but if I die you absolutely need to lynch EMC immediately, AND it means Donny was guaranteed scum. I cannot over-stress this enough. But if I live, then there's no reason to and Donny was likely town.

So emc received information about Donny before EON. This pretty much means he must have a power to read a dead person's alignment. He said he is sure Donny was town. How can he be sure he was not some kind of Godfather? Does he know Donny's exact role?

I know that sounds odd, but it's the most information I can give at the moment in case I don't die. If I live, I don't think we should lynch him, but if I die, it means I messed up and he's almost certainly mafia.

Why do you think he would have wanted to kill you if he was scum?

EMC has information that directly links him to Donny, but the issue is it could go either way. If Donny was scum, EMC is scum. If Donny was town, EMC is town. That's about all I can say without completely blowing up EMC's role. I know this both because he told me, but also because he made a slight slip as to what his role was in the QT due to confusion on exactly what was going on.

Re: Godfather/exact role - Yes, he knows exactly what Donny's role was.

This post sure has a lot of details to make it sound convincing. Not sure what to think about that, but Chaqa usually is a lot more eloquent and longwinded as scum so it has me feeling a certain way.

I am going to comment that it's not necessarily that Donny had a role related to me, but it's also quite possible that I had a role related to him.

EMC's leadup and trying to not answer questions while also giving town some info seems pretty well paced

Granted that took very little, but it's the principle of the thing.

Hmmm, took very little to convince him eh. Details matter here

I am going to comment that it's not necessarily that Donny had a role related to me, but it's also quite possible that I had a role related to him.

But given that he is dead, it is hard to imagine why you need to keep it a seret anymore. You say it's better for town if it remains a secret, but then it is not an obvious thing like that you two shared a QT. It can't be Lover because you would not know his role in that case. Maybe I'm just not knowledgeable enough about potential roles.

Good points, I think bozo will not move on unless I give him more so here are some options for y'all

It's quite possible that we were 3P together. It's possible that we were masons. It's possible that I had a instant scan that I used before his flip. Maybe I janitored him. Maybe I'm a ability/role thief and stole his role. Perhaps I was his backup and now does not want to reveal whether I am new tracker or not. Perhaps I'm a limited lie detector who tested a statement.

I could've had a requirement satisfied by his death. I could've tried recruiting him. He could've tried recruiting me. I got an item from him. And so forth, on and on but I am getting lazy lol

More pings that tell us EMC wanted to protect his role to be useful to town. Good continued devellopment

I don't. Hence why I'm trying to explain the EMC situation better.

So are you comfortable with emc being town with a power that he could use to verify that Donny was the Tracker? Or was Donny lying about being the Tracker?

If we verify EMC's power (which we could have done today if brain hadn't blabbed about what happened with foodcoats IMMEDIATELY) we would verify that Donny was Tracker as well.

I actually find brain outting foodcoats so quickly to be a bit anti-town.

This post from Chaqa I like though. It shows a very particularly towny mindset of missed opportunities to prod people to see how they deal with certain scenarios. Also nuanced in not thinking black/white what it means for bb's alignment.

@xorxes
@bozo
@brain
@Jamiet

You four specifically - simple yes or no question: is your role confirmable as town at some point?

This is really a dangerous ass question though. Them responding to this either makes them lie (resulting in later potential scrutiny/mislynch ev) or gives scum more info to advice their night actions.

It strikes me that if Chaqa was trying to recruit via +1s he would not have said he has an ability that uses +1s. He'd lay low I think.

Also... Donny asked people to rank their powers... any chance he was an Absorber or whatever? Power Thief? Is there a town version of that ability?

If Donny was town he had to be Tracker. I refuse to consider any other option.

Agree. It doesn´t make sense for a town who accepted his faith the way he did to fakeclaim.
I tend to believe emc on this, as I was already townreading him on D1. The good part of it it´s we start to have a pretty solid group of clears or semi-clears and more roles can be probably proved later.

This post reflects moderately well on Rdrivera

I'm officially lost

Speaking of, maybe I should re-run my LOST setup from years back...

Which part are you confused on?

1. Food is a bolt thrower although this is not different to a lightning rod. He is not confirmed whether or not this is a once off. His power use is NAI

2. Chaqa and EMC are linked. If Chaqa died EMC was likely scum although this is now moot. Chaqa now has no power.

3. Brain and Jamie has both used powers

4. Brain claims to know what Donny was. EMC claims that Donny WAS town, yet still voted for him (unsure when he learned this)

5. Everyone is playing so weirdly, I have almost no town reads and no one seems to be questioning any of it. Is this game bastard and there's secretly 3 town or something????

This post reads very town as well

Also ##vote food.

this however is very weird

Speaking of, maybe I should re-run my LOST setup from years back...

Which part are you confused on?

1. Food is a bolt thrower although this is not different to a lightning rod. He is not confirmed whether or not this is a once off. His power use is NAI

2. Chaqa and EMC are linked. If Chaqa died EMC was likely scum although this is now moot. Chaqa now has no power.

3. Brain and Jamie has both used powers

4. Brain claims to know what Donny was. EMC claims that Donny WAS town, yet still voted for him (unsure when he learned this)

5. Everyone is playing so weirdly, I have almost no town reads and no one seems to be questioning any of it. Is this game bastard and there's secretly 3 town or something????

6. Food claims there's a jailer.

Brainbomb and jamiet confirmed this as well?

Could you explain how do you think a Lighting Rod is scum or do you think Brain and Jamiet are also scum and lying about it?
I am starting to feel as you are faking this confusion.

I think that, like everyone role madness I'm aware of (41,47) including one of which I GMed, the roles, for the most part, are not tied to alignment. They are rolled independently

I thought about this, but in this case why activate it on N1?

Its the most likely to yield usefull information to know what theyre dealing with and its the best night to forego a NK (especially after the confusion of D1)

Not saying thats what happened, but that is the obvious answer to this question.

I don't understand this?

Didn't they both just indicate they visited food?

Yes, but aren't you saying they were scum, too? Or am I mixing up posts here. Without Brain and Jamie, your posit makes more sense to me.

No. I am merely saying that food is scum. I did tentatively have a team forming of Chaqa/Donny/Food but that seems to be more or less wrong

I can see the train of thought here. Which is good. Because that usually means Neph is town.

Jailor learns if an attack is prevented.

so how many attacks did the jailor absorb

if 2 theres scum and an sk
if 3 theres also a night vig

knowing those numbers would help

Normally, they do not learn that at all. Fluffer

bozo who should I be looking at

Bismarck, damo, dargorygel, DemonRHK, flash, Sarah, summit_fever, Vecna

Ive been very mellow on Bozo, but this is quite a wide list. I dont think he'd try to piss off these many names as scum. Very mediocre reason, very thin, but im remembering it.

ill probably only be active for the second part of today. wifeys bday

I'll be as well, sorry everybody. i'm having a busy period.

odd to quote my post to do that on

tired from a long day of Zoom teaching...

Isn't it the 1st of may? Schools should be closed (at least, in my country they are). Maybe something about his role?

Schools are open in many placed in the world on may1st

Its pretty much only former english colonies and a select number of european countries afaik.

What do you think of everyone who has given some indication about their roles?

Chaqa and EMC are working to portray Donny as town. I just don't buy that a new town player would approach the game in that way. They're both putting effort into +1'ing posts. Chaqa claimed the power was used up. Why would he continue to do this?

Donny crumbed Fruit Vendor and Vecna crumbed 3p right back at him. Any reason in particular you did that Vecna?

Welcome to my safariland. We have Pineapples, Papayas and passion fruits.

I'd like to know some more about Foodcoat's role before I surmise further. It didn't seem like a very town friendly action on N1.

Quite tired now so it's time to relax for a bit and get back to this tomorrow.

How it isn't friendly to town? Scum lost his NK which was presumably on a town (not counting Driver) and also SK lost his kill/recruit/infect/dose/ whatever due to the Jailor.

Why do you think this is a 3p crumb?

look at the 3 fruits. its the 3p's! It was actually unintented but a pretty funny coincidence. Pretty sharp spot from if you ask me.

I’m not completely sold on lynching EMC. If he’s town his role is really valuable for us. I’d much prefer we give any other town PRs with scanning abilities a night or two to prove him one way or the other.

NO, THE INVESTIGATIVES MUST SCAN SARAH. Sarah will not be solved without a scan.

Very towny post. This is indeed the best use of a cop scan, and scum wouldnt advocate this so easily since they want it as a mislynch. Also the large wall that I wont quote he wrote on the Donny thing looked good for food.

[e.m.c^42]

See, you are asking for impossible thing in counter to scumreading Donny because of the source of the read. He did make what still reads like a slip and since he is dead there is no amount of explaining anyone can do.

I understand. But if your claim is true, you are the only one in the priviliged position of knowing that, and so you could have been analysing what went on D1 with that perspective, instead of wasting time on less productive things.

I think it was productive. Chaqa was pretty convinced you were scum lol

[Vecna]

I thought I explained pretty much everything asked. Do you have questions?

I can provide some further details on EMC's info as well if needed.

What?

You keep saying you "prefer not to disclose" certain unspecified details.

Whatever.

EMC was a third party role that becomes the role that dies first. He is also the reason the kill was cleaned up. Relevant posts from the QT:

"But tl;dr Donny was indeed the tracker, and I'm the new one lol"
"Yeah, the cleanup was automatic from me taking his role."
"but it was basically a third party that would gain the role of whatever role died first."

When I first chose him as my chat partner, he was a 3P. He became Donny's role at EoD, and let it slip in the QT a such:
"Wait, this is a town role? Oops, I thought this was an item lmao"

So, he had slipped up that he wasn't town right off the bat.

Oh wow, Chaqa just outted that shit?

Might be scum realizing he needed an out to kill off the new tracker, but it would look hella suspicious if it wasnt outed as public knowledge beforehand.

[Jamiet99uk]

A fellow mathematician? Where?

Probably not in Foodcoats. But BunnyGo is another frequent player who isn't in this game but is a mathematician. Damo might also be, but he also might have just taken a probability class once and gotten a B- that he's especially proud of.

Wow, cool. That's the first place out of my uni where I see someone who likes math.

We are a very, very sad community.

I read the judgements from court cases for fun (I am particularly fond of the judgements of Lord Reed). Several of us play D&D or similar. There are mathematicians and scienticians of various types on this community. Ghug once spent his entire month's salary from the sewage works on a single Magic: The Gathering card. Brainbomb has amassed over 100,000 photographs of telephone poles. Bozotheclown built a working mechanical facsimile of his mother entirely out of sardine cans.

[Jamiet99uk]

emc really doesnt ever play like this. hes been scum before and it was nothing like this

I've been town and 3P and nothing like this, haha

Its emc evolution and we still wanna kill him anyway.

what a sad story

How else can we discover what he has evolved into, unless we dissect his corpse?

Breeding is not possible in this harsh environment.