M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[Foxcastle]

I'd rather lynch EMC and see what we learn than not lynching him and setting a bunch of PRs on him to sort things out. We are already knee-deep in mechanics, and I think simplifying things is a better approach than making them more complicated.

EMC has tried to explain a lot of things, but not being totally coherent about it. Bozo catches him in this at one point (#2640), where EMC has been talking about how much he wanted to keep his role secret, but told Chaqa in the chat. Scum-EMC would obviously want to push the "Donny is town" theory, so claiming tracker would help with that.

I'm not particularly convinced by Foodcoats' claim that EMC is 66% likely to be town. As Jamiet has pointed out, "trust me on this, based on information you cannot have" is not a great case.

I don't like Neph's repeated challenges to Foodcoats to "vote for me" or the similar challenges to Vecna. I kinda want to see what happens: ##VOTE NEPH

[Foxcastle]

Lol it's not a gamblers fallacy

That would be like if I assumed since I've been scum a lot I should always roll town for a while

Assigning odds helps decision making

The gambler's fallacy is that previous random actions have any indication of future results. Whether it should happen more or less is irrelevant. EMC being town 2/3 of the time is because most games have about 3 town players for every scum player. Everyone is going to have a town rate of play that reflects that.

So anyone is town 2/3 of the time.

The private information that you now have does not increase emc's chances of being town at all?

Is this addressed to me, Xorxes? You're quoting me, but I think it's meant for foodcoats?

[e.m.c^42]

I'd rather lynch EMC and see what we learn than not lynching him and setting a bunch of PRs on him to sort things out. We are already knee-deep in mechanics, and I think simplifying things is a better approach than making them more complicated.

EMC has tried to explain a lot of things, but not being totally coherent about it. Bozo catches him in this at one point (#2640), where EMC has been talking about how much he wanted to keep his role secret, but told Chaqa in the chat. Scum-EMC would obviously want to push the "Donny is town" theory, so claiming tracker would help with that.

I'm not particularly convinced by Foodcoats' claim that EMC is 66% likely to be town. As Jamiet has pointed out, "trust me on this, based on information you cannot have" is not a great case.

I don't like Neph's repeated challenges to Foodcoats to "vote for me" or the similar challenges to Vecna. I kinda want to see what happens: ##VOTE NEPH

Did you not read the response?

[rdrivera2005]

I'd rather lynch EMC and see what we learn than not lynching him and setting a bunch of PRs on him to sort things out. We are already knee-deep in mechanics, and I think simplifying things is a better approach than making them more complicated.

EMC has tried to explain a lot of things, but not being totally coherent about it. Bozo catches him in this at one point (#2640), where EMC has been talking about how much he wanted to keep his role secret, but told Chaqa in the chat. Scum-EMC would obviously want to push the "Donny is town" theory, so claiming tracker would help with that.

I'm not particularly convinced by Foodcoats' claim that EMC is 66% likely to be town. As Jamiet has pointed out, "trust me on this, based on information you cannot have" is not a great case.

I don't like Neph's repeated challenges to Foodcoats to "vote for me" or the similar challenges to Vecna. I kinda want to see what happens: ##VOTE NEPH

You want to lynch emc but you vote Nephtys to see what happens. Do you at least think Nepthys is scum? Why?

[Foxcastle]

I'd rather lynch EMC and see what we learn than not lynching him and setting a bunch of PRs on him to sort things out. We are already knee-deep in mechanics, and I think simplifying things is a better approach than making them more complicated.

EMC has tried to explain a lot of things, but not being totally coherent about it. Bozo catches him in this at one point (#2640), where EMC has been talking about how much he wanted to keep his role secret, but told Chaqa in the chat. Scum-EMC would obviously want to push the "Donny is town" theory, so claiming tracker would help with that.

I'm not particularly convinced by Foodcoats' claim that EMC is 66% likely to be town. As Jamiet has pointed out, "trust me on this, based on information you cannot have" is not a great case.

I don't like Neph's repeated challenges to Foodcoats to "vote for me" or the similar challenges to Vecna. I kinda want to see what happens: ##VOTE NEPH

Did you not read the response?

Response to what?

[Foxcastle]

I'd rather lynch EMC and see what we learn than not lynching him and setting a bunch of PRs on him to sort things out. We are already knee-deep in mechanics, and I think simplifying things is a better approach than making them more complicated.

EMC has tried to explain a lot of things, but not being totally coherent about it. Bozo catches him in this at one point (#2640), where EMC has been talking about how much he wanted to keep his role secret, but told Chaqa in the chat. Scum-EMC would obviously want to push the "Donny is town" theory, so claiming tracker would help with that.

I'm not particularly convinced by Foodcoats' claim that EMC is 66% likely to be town. As Jamiet has pointed out, "trust me on this, based on information you cannot have" is not a great case.

I don't like Neph's repeated challenges to Foodcoats to "vote for me" or the similar challenges to Vecna. I kinda want to see what happens: ##VOTE NEPH

Did you not read the response?

Response to what?

Oh, to Bozo's post? Yes, I did, but I also read hundreds of posts between you and Xorxes and others on this. My assessment is built up over the course of the whole exchange, though.

[brainbomb]

##Vote Vecna

[Jamiet99uk]

Foxcastle: "I want to lynch EMC, let's @@vote Neph to see what happens"

[Foxcastle]

I'd rather lynch EMC and see what we learn than not lynching him and setting a bunch of PRs on him to sort things out. We are already knee-deep in mechanics, and I think simplifying things is a better approach than making them more complicated.

EMC has tried to explain a lot of things, but not being totally coherent about it. Bozo catches him in this at one point (#2640), where EMC has been talking about how much he wanted to keep his role secret, but told Chaqa in the chat. Scum-EMC would obviously want to push the "Donny is town" theory, so claiming tracker would help with that.

I'm not particularly convinced by Foodcoats' claim that EMC is 66% likely to be town. As Jamiet has pointed out, "trust me on this, based on information you cannot have" is not a great case.

I don't like Neph's repeated challenges to Foodcoats to "vote for me" or the similar challenges to Vecna. I kinda want to see what happens: ##VOTE NEPH

You want to lynch emc but you vote Nephtys to see what happens. Do you at least think Nepthys is scum? Why?

Maybe! I don't have a strong specific reason on that, but I don't like the whole bluster about "lynch me, you cowards!"

[Foxcastle]

Foxcastle: "I want to lynch EMC, let's @@vote Neph to see what happens"

Yes, and?

[Jamiet99uk]

Foxcastle: "I want to lynch EMC, let's @@vote Neph to see what happens"

Yes, and?

And why arent' you voting for EMC if you want to lynch him?

[xorxes]

If I'm not mistaken, Chaqa had said that his power was spent, but now foodcoats is making a veiled claim that appears to be that he has gained access to Chaqa's QT.

If people keep lying or showering us with half-truths it is very hard to read them as town.

[Foxcastle]

Foxcastle: "I want to lynch EMC, let's @@vote Neph to see what happens"

Yes, and?

And why arent' you voting for EMC if you want to lynch him?

I already said it was to see what happens.

Is EMC your absolute top scum read?

[kgray]

I find RHK to be pretty scummy

You do? Is there anything other than his somewhat poor reasoning for giving you scum points for joining the Sarah wagon on D1

It's not that he has poor reasoning, it's that the actual reason for my vote was so obviously stated that to ignore it seems either lazy in the extreme or intentionally misleading. I don't know RHK at all, and he's lurking quite a bit, so it could be just lazy. But I still find it suspicious.

I liked brain's point about RHK coming in D1 with a lot of energy and seeming excited about the game only to lose interest and lurk. Like he wanted to put effort into making a good impression but didn't back that up.

I have no idea how he concludes that Donny's suggestion to rate roles from 0-10 implies scum have daychat if Donny is scum. When questioned about it later he said he thought it could be coached in the chat, and that just doesn't seem to be very likely to me. I wouldn't expect an experienced player to give such scummy advice to a new teammate.

[e.m.c^42]

Did EMC explain why he outted being a tracker now, as opposed to staying hidden and getting valuable results?

Chaqa got overexcited and spilled, a lot earlier than I expected.

[kgray]

Hmm... good question.

Chaqa said emc gained access to the QT during D1 so at that point he must have known he was converted. I don't know if he would keep his previous powers and then be able to convert back into whatever Donny was. Too weird. Probably not what happened anyway.

I think he'd be in Chaqa's cult.

If Chaqa converted him D1, when emc learned about the chat, then emc's role would presumably have changed to whatever the 3p cult role is at that point, and then emc wouldn't have the power that allows him to take Donny's role when Donny was lynched. If the conversion didn't happen until the QT was available, that would have been N1 after Donny already died and emc already took Donny's role. So emc would still have been converted to Chaqa's cult, because nothing about Donny's role (presumably) would prevent that.

I guess it's possible that a cult conversion wouldn't change the power, just the alignment... in which case, I think if Chaqa converted emc D1 before Donny died, then emc's power would still cause him to change his alignment to whatever Donny's was.

But if emc is in chaqa's cult, why chaqa would have declared at the end of N1 that if he was killed emc was scum? it makes no sense. IMO they're not in a cult together, nor in the same faction. I keep on thinking donny was scum, and so is emc.

This was just me thinking through the hypothetical mechanics of what would happen if emc is being honest about his role and Chaqa is in a cult and converted him. I do not think it is likely at all that this is what is actually happening here.

[e.m.c^42]

Can you describe what your role was?

As far as tracking - I think most likely NK if Donny was town are probably xorxes, Vecna, and the like.

I think rivera is fine.

Mhh, I can't quote my PM at all (unfortunately)

but it was basically a third party that would gain the role of whatever role died first.

I had thought a bit about diverting the lynch but it seemed like it would put too much attention on me lol, and gaining either scum or tracker would've been great for me

Why can't you quote it?

Closed setup, can't quote GM communications :P

For telling you my results, I might just end up writing something lol, it's easiest to find and read.

Taunt me into something involving chipotle or whatever, and based on who it includes it'll be whoever rivera visited? And if he did not visit anyone, it'll be solo

Is there anything in this QT that would make sharing it contrary to your win condition?

Mostly no except for some stuff that scum shouldn't be told explicitly. I'm obviously not allowed to link it, scrennshotting so-so,

You want me to copy over the rest or something?

[Jamiet99uk]

Yes, and?

And why arent' you voting for EMC if you want to lynch him?

I already said it was to see what happens.

Is EMC your absolute top scum read?

I scumread EMC, Neph, Bozo, and I expect a couple of the lurkers are scum too.

I think of my scumreads, EMC is the most informative.

[e.m.c^42]

Y wot tho?

Why claim tracker, why claim the whole 3P story :P

You could be third party. That could be true.
He could have been tracker. That could be true.
He could also have been scum tracker.

If you had a plausible story that was 66% truth, and the only detail you had to lie about was the small matter of alignment, then sure as hell that would be the correct play.

See?

Hm, that does sound plausible as something I'd do lol.

[e.m.c^42]

Okay, tired about talking about it so no more lol