M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[Jamiet99uk]

The point is if EMC's story was straight, he would not ask how flipping him would reveal Donny's alignment.

He got so absorbed in his battle with Xorxes that he let this slip out.

Emc's arg to xor was "if i absorbed scum why do u believe my 3p story"

You're missing the forest for the trees

But a third party with the claimed role could absorb a scum Tracker and make those claims, but still be scum.

[Foxcastle]

Heres how you win games on webdip

goto
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/game_status?g=55

start from bottom of page
work your way up in this order

bismark
sarah
vecna
demonrhk
foxcastle
damo
flash
themarche

You should click on each one. it takes you to their ISO.
and you can see why low posters = hiding scum.

vecna and fox are behaving like losing scum today

I was busy yesterday, as I explained. But I do think scum lurk if you go look at the global statistics, not just a 34 hour snapshot.

[foodcoats]

Ok Foodcoats I read your big "secret information" post.

Very nice. But since you demand not to be asked any further questions, I can only regard that post as meaningless for now, until further information is available, because right now your big post boils down to this:

"I know a secret that makes me think EMC is town, please believe me".

Which, really, isn't good enough.

Im effectively town clear and no one else is defending emc or even really hunting elsewhere.

Think about that

[foodcoats]

The point is if EMC's story was straight, he would not ask how flipping him would reveal Donny's alignment.

He got so absorbed in his battle with Xorxes that he let this slip out.

Emc's arg to xor was "if i absorbed scum why do u believe my 3p story"

You're missing the forest for the trees

But a third party with the claimed role could absorb a scum Tracker and make those claims, but still be scum.

Y tho

[Jamiet99uk]

Ok Foodcoats I read your big "secret information" post.

Very nice. But since you demand not to be asked any further questions, I can only regard that post as meaningless for now, until further information is available, because right now your big post boils down to this:

"I know a secret that makes me think EMC is town, please believe me".

Which, really, isn't good enough.

Im effectively town clear and no one else is defending emc or even really hunting elsewhere.

Think about that

Being semi-clear doesn't automatically provide you with a cognitive upgrade. You don't just become more right about things the more town you are.

[foodcoats]

Ok Foodcoats I read your big "secret information" post.

Very nice. But since you demand not to be asked any further questions, I can only regard that post as meaningless for now, until further information is available, because right now your big post boils down to this:

"I know a secret that makes me think EMC is town, please believe me".

Which, really, isn't good enough.

Im effectively town clear and no one else is defending emc or even really hunting elsewhere.

Think about that

Being semi-clear doesn't automatically provide you with a cognitive upgrade. You don't just become more right about things the more town you are.

Im saying, why is everyone okay lynching emc

[Jamiet99uk]

Emc's arg to xor was "if i absorbed scum why do u believe my 3p story"

You're missing the forest for the trees

But a third party with the claimed role could absorb a scum Tracker and make those claims, but still be scum.

Y tho

Y wot tho?

[Jamiet99uk]

Im effectively town clear and no one else is defending emc or even really hunting elsewhere.

Think about that

Being semi-clear doesn't automatically provide you with a cognitive upgrade. You don't just become more right about things the more town you are.

Im saying, why is everyone okay lynching emc

There are 20 players left alive.
There are 5 votes on EMC.
Your definition of "everyone" is inaccurate.

[e.m.c^42]

But a third party with the claimed role could absorb a scum Tracker and make those claims, but still be scum.

Y tho

Y wot tho?

Why claim tracker, why claim the whole 3P story :P

[rdrivera2005]

Ok Foodcoats I read your big "secret information" post.

Very nice. But since you demand not to be asked any further questions, I can only regard that post as meaningless for now, until further information is available, because right now your big post boils down to this:

"I know a secret that makes me think EMC is town, please believe me".

Which, really, isn't good enough.

Im effectively town clear and no one else is defending emc or even really hunting elsewhere.

Think about that

I don't agree with this, many people told they don't want a emc lynch today. I think emc is town and engaged with Xorxes about it. But he dismissed it with a "show me someone more scummy then Donny", which is a bullshit, because this ignores a whole night and half a day. I am not sure Xorces entered a tunnel so deep he can't see a light or if he is tryng to impersonate his town play from the past.

I am willing to lynch Bismarck or Dargo today. Can't build a solid case on them but I don't see any spark of real scum hunting on both.

[Jamiet99uk]

Y tho

Y wot tho?

Why claim tracker, why claim the whole 3P story

You could be third party. That could be true.
He could have been tracker. That could be true.
He could also have been scum tracker.

If you had a plausible story that was 66% truth, and the only detail you had to lie about was the small matter of alignment, then sure as hell that would be the correct play.

See?

[Vecna]

I think you set up the Donny thing

How did I set that up? I noticed a slip, he never even as much as tried to explain it

You turned his comment into a 'slip'

Did you even read his reactions? He was asked to explain how he knew such a role existed. He never even could

If you disagreed, where were you to tell people how wrong they were?

[xorxes]

Ok Foodcoats I read your big "secret information" post.

Very nice. But since you demand not to be asked any further questions, I can only regard that post as meaningless for now, until further information is available, because right now your big post boils down to this:

"I know a secret that makes me think EMC is town, please believe me".

Which, really, isn't good enough.

Im effectively town clear and no one else is defending emc or even really hunting elsewhere.

Think about that

You *were* as close as a clear as we had, but not really fully clear. But if you were recruited by Chaqa, we don't know if you have been turned into 3P. We don't really know much about what this recruiting by Chaqa means.

[Vecna]

Did EMC explain why he outted being a tracker now, as opposed to staying hidden and getting valuable results?

[Jamiet99uk]

Did EMC explain why he outted being a tracker now, as opposed to staying hidden and getting valuable results?

He was partly outted by Chaqa.

[Foxcastle]

Like instead of nitpicking just remember emc is a human player who can strategize.

You think scum!emc writes this cockamamie and tries this line?

You have made me realize though that if emc is not town they are still 3P with the tracker ability... and not scum.

But 3Pemc would still play more carefully.

I disagree. I think town-EMC plays more carefully than either scum-EMC or 3P-EMC.

[xorxes]

Did EMC explain why he outted being a tracker now, as opposed to staying hidden and getting valuable results?

Chaqa outed him, because Chaqa "recruited" him into a private QT that they share, and which foodcoats apparently now shares as well.

[Foxcastle]

And based on what I've seen emc is town two thirds of the time or better.

This should not be part of your reasoning, no more than assuming a coin that flips heads twice is going to flip heads a third time.

[Foxcastle]

And based on what I've seen emc is town two thirds of the time or better.

What is the relevance of this appeal to the gambler's fallacy?

Lol it's not a gamblers fallacy

That would be like if I assumed since I've been scum a lot I should always roll town for a while

Assigning odds helps decision making

The gambler's fallacy is that previous random actions have any indication of future results. Whether it should happen more or less is irrelevant. EMC being town 2/3 of the time is because most games have about 3 town players for every scum player. Everyone is going to have a town rate of play that reflects that.

[xorxes]

What is the relevance of this appeal to the gambler's fallacy?

Lol it's not a gamblers fallacy

That would be like if I assumed since I've been scum a lot I should always roll town for a while

Assigning odds helps decision making

The gambler's fallacy is that previous random actions have any indication of future results. Whether it should happen more or less is irrelevant. EMC being town 2/3 of the time is because most games have about 3 town players for every scum player. Everyone is going to have a town rate of play that reflects that.

So anyone is town 2/3 of the time.

The private information that you now have does not increase emc's chances of being town at all?