M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[e.m.c^42]

Who would benefit from janitoring Donny?

Town is worse off in this scenario because we do not know his alignment while scum does know, and so there are no connections to be found. But because that is too simplistic I'm going to pull wifom and say that Donny was scum (who got janitored by scum).

I can't see town janitoring him regardless of what his alignment is.

His role is important, yes, but there's no point in discussing what his role was since everyone who knows, already knows and is obscuring the fact, and everyone who doesn't know won't know.

I don't see anything in the original that translates into the bolded part.

And the last part I don't see how it matches with the original either, but anyway.
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Was just thinking about the whole Donny role speculation.

Who would benefit more from obscuring it with their powers at Donny's lynch? Islanders, or Enemies?[Who would benefit from janitoring Donny?]

Logic would tell me that us Islanders are worse off, because we can't 100% use all Donny's interactions as sure-tells about Donny's accomplices if he is Enemy, or his Enemies if he was Islander.
[Town is worse off in this scenario because we do not know his alignment while scum does know, and so there are no connections to be found.]

So that is why I am leaning to thinking Donny was Enemy. [But because that is too simplistic I'm going to pull wifom and say that Donny was scum]

I read it this way because it seemed like he made a leap and left out a sentence in between, because of the way he started the previous one with "Logic says" - implying that his following statement is "analysis a step further", and seemingly illogical.

It's follows the format of "Although normally x means y, [going more into it] x means z"

I can't see any reason why an Islander would obscure the lynch target's role - whether Donny was Islander or Enemy, I can't see town janitoring him regardless of what his alignment is.

what was important was WHAT HE WAS, [His role is important] not whether he was one or the other. [but there's no point in discussing what his role was]

[xorxes]

Well played...

I like damo's post regarding lynching EMC and clearing Chaqa, it makes a lot of sense I have to say its probably my favourite post today

What do you think of the argument that Chaqa is most likely town and that it's rather unlikely they are 3p together?

From memory I'm giving Chaqa some solid side eye, his play has seemed a little weird to me. I don't think I agree he is likely town, will ISO him next.

Unlikely they are 3P, I can agree with. It seems like an interesting choice. There is no reason to come forward as they did if 3P and could get more cred by pulling it out later.

It has to be Town >> 3P >> Mafia

Mafia with a private QT would be the weirdest. Unless you think the private QT is all a fabrication.

[Nephthys]

I think Sarah's town. I just wish she would post more of her thoughts so we have something to go on

[foodcoats]

Xorxes, was Donny's unfortunate coincidence (that was taken as a slip) really so influential on your scumread of him that you are willing to completely ignore, this is a radical concept, reading me as an individual?

You do tunnel at times but this is poor play.

+1

People are way too hung up on mechanics.

[e.m.c^42]

I townread you D1. I did not see D2 the same emc of D1, but maybe that was because of all the pressure.

Quite likely, feel free to ask me about something else too lol

Chaqa ruined a number of my plans just spilling like that, but I understand why he did it in consideration of food pulling all the night actions.

The main part of the spill happened before EON, so it could not have been influenced by food.

Oh, no. That EON post was prearranged by us. I'm referring to him revealing that I was 3P and inherited Donny's role as the new tracker.

[foodcoats]

Neph, that was so scummy, what the hell

See for xorx I can get it, since even if he townreads me he'll still vote for me due to him being stuck tunneling the dead Donny, but you?

I townread you D1. I did not see D2 the same emc of D1, but maybe that was because of all the pressure.

It IS d2.

Is xorx scum?

[Nephthys]

What do you think of the argument that Chaqa is most likely town and that it's rather unlikely they are 3p together?

From memory I'm giving Chaqa some solid side eye, his play has seemed a little weird to me. I don't think I agree he is likely town, will ISO him next.

Unlikely they are 3P, I can agree with. It seems like an interesting choice. There is no reason to come forward as they did if 3P and could get more cred by pulling it out later.

It has to be Town >> 3P >> Mafia

Mafia with a private QT would be the weirdest. Unless you think the private QT is all a fabrication.

I've already stated that I don't think many, if any, roles are locktown. That is what I am working with.

Brain can vouch for this that usually in role madness many aren't. Half of the fun of GMing a role madness is to see how people can play with their roles to make it work

[e.m.c^42]

Chaqa can confirm this, but I had floated claiming some sort of oneshot retro scan, or another role that was simply linked to Donny. I didn't want to claim tracker until midgame at the very least.

[e.m.c^42]

See for xorx I can get it, since even if he townreads me he'll still vote for me due to him being stuck tunneling the dead Donny, but you?

I townread you D1. I did not see D2 the same emc of D1, but maybe that was because of all the pressure.

It IS d2.

Is xorx scum?

I have no idea. Both he and Neph have been rather strange in how they've reacted to this info.

[DemonRHK]

I actually think that RHK games some incredibly good points.

I'm not sure how I feel about the 'rate 1-10' facebook knockoff bs. It seems like fishing with extra steps. Either massclaim or don't do shit.

I don't know if that's inherently scummy as a post because he's a newer player. If he is scum I'd almost have to lean that there is a scum role enabling day chat which would suuuuuck.

This post is actually rather good. This would indicate that it's likely scum that were pushing the massclaim (need to check who) as, assuming they have day chat. It would work heavily in their favour.

I can follow where he's coming from and also like his pick on the VCA.

I can place him a P I L E of town

I asked Demon this, but I think he never answered. Since you liked his post maybe you can answer for him. How does the 1-10 question suggest that there is scum day-chat?

My line of thought is that it was a odd approach for a new player. It seemed like a way to sircle around back to a massclaim that would be even less helpful to town. I was thinking it was a possible coached move, which would to me suggest a daychat.

[foodcoats]

One thing that just occured to me, and so I'm gonna address it now.

If donny was town, wouldnt we expect something from EMC that indicates it. Some post, some crumb.

It seems weird that he had the ability to effectively de-janitor the kill and yet held on to it for so long...

Why out himself as Tracker?

This right here? Scum play.

Neph is looking veeeeery scummy now.

[brainbomb]

did we get an explanation on how emc both became tracker, and tracked foodcoats all in 1 night

[Nephthys]

One thing that just occured to me, and so I'm gonna address it now.

If donny was town, wouldnt we expect something from EMC that indicates it. Some post, some crumb.

It seems weird that he had the ability to effectively de-janitor the kill and yet held on to it for so long...

Why out himself as Tracker?

This right here? Scum play.

Neph is looking veeeeery scummy now.

Then vote me

[brainbomb]

seems kinda dumb.

emc is potentially the amnesiac. it was in M15.

you steal a role and choose town or scum.

krellin was the role in that game

[foodcoats]

Chaqa

- Why open that you need to +1. I see no benefit of town Chaqa doing this. As scum, its perhaps a reason for people to keep you alive.
- After 4 hours posts a read list.... what???? (also doesn't back up a scumread with a vote)
- I don't know to make of him saying Donny giving up is towny. Especially after he stated the slip is one of the best D1 catches we've ever had, it seems hedgy. Almost like he was hoping others would question their votes.
- I find it interesting how Chaqa said we need to kill or believe Donny only yet is very keen to test EMC. Some shift in logic there.
- Also he called a lurker when I had top 10 posts...

If EMC flips scum. Chaqa is scum.
If EMC flips town then Chaqa is likely not scum

Chaq had a whole thing about testing donny when donny claimed tracker.

The thread proves you are lying or not paying attention

[Jamiet99uk]

@Neph:

Why are you ignoring my questions?

No, I had 30 or so pages to read and thought I had answered everything, ping them for me and I shall asnwer

Pages 129 and 130.

I wanted to know why you were only asking Bozotheclown specifically about whether you'd claim jailed or roleblocked if blocked by a jailor.

I wanted to know why you said the Mafia didn't have a roleblocker, and I wanted you to clarify if you meant no factional roleblock or no Hooker.

[Nephthys]

Chaqa

- Why open that you need to +1. I see no benefit of town Chaqa doing this. As scum, its perhaps a reason for people to keep you alive.
- After 4 hours posts a read list.... what???? (also doesn't back up a scumread with a vote)
- I don't know to make of him saying Donny giving up is towny. Especially after he stated the slip is one of the best D1 catches we've ever had, it seems hedgy. Almost like he was hoping others would question their votes.
- I find it interesting how Chaqa said we need to kill or believe Donny only yet is very keen to test EMC. Some shift in logic there.
- Also he called a lurker when I had top 10 posts...

If EMC flips scum. Chaqa is scum.
If EMC flips town then Chaqa is likely not scum

Chaq had a whole thing about testing donny when donny claimed tracker.

The thread proves you are lying or not paying attention

So... Donny is claiming tracker. Thoughts:
1. This is a valuable role if town
2. This is an easily provable role

It does irk me, but I don't think scum would claim this lightly. We could do something like, ask 2 people to step forward who have visiting roles, but not super important ones, and tell Donny to pick one of them to track.

Then, that person could confirm who they visited after Donny reports.

That said, there's so much room for mafia manipulation that it may be too much of an investment. I say we either lynch him now, or presume his innocence and validity as Tracker going forward. No half-measures.

He also had this,

can you direct me to where he suggested testing Donny?

[Jamiet99uk]

did we get an explanation on how emc both became tracker, and tracked foodcoats all in 1 night

According to what he claimed about the mechanics of his role, he became Tracker the moment Donny died, at EoD1, not during the Night.

[e.m.c^42]

did we get an explanation on how emc both became tracker, and tracked foodcoats all in 1 night

I became tracker at the start of the night. My action executed at the end.

[bozotheclown]

Chaqa can confirm this, but I had floated claiming some sort of oneshot retro scan, or another role that was simply linked to Donny. I didn't want to claim tracker until midgame at the very least.

Why did you tell Chaqa about your role if you wanted to keep it hidden?