M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[bozotheclown]

It's faster? It doesn't devote large amounts of resources. If he's scum you can bet that he's gonna accidentally follow the wrong person or be jailed or something. There's no way we can town conf him tonight therefore I think lynching is better

It does not take any town resources to do this.

Is the idea that emc would just track Jamie or brain, and if emc can tell us who they visit and they confirm, then they're both clear? What if Jamie or brain are also scum?

It would not clear them, but it provides more information that allows us to figure them out later.

[Jamiet99uk]

@bozo quick question. If a jailer targets you do you claim jailed or roleblocked?

I have never been jailed that I remember, but it is different than being roleblocked, so I would assume you would find out you were jailed.

Yes but you have been referring to the roleblock quite a bit and I was interested as to whether in your mind this was synonymous with being jailed. Considering that worcej has claimed that there isn't a mafia roleblock, you seem awfully sure that the jailer is town. Can you expand on this?

What?

When did the GM say the Mafia don't have a roleblocker?

You mean they don't have a factional roleblock, right? They could still have a Hooker or similar, no?

[Jamiet99uk]

EMC is 3p again!

And so is Chaqa. But not again.

Maybe.

Well played...

I like damo's post regarding lynching EMC and clearing Chaqa, it makes a lot of sense I have to say its probably my favourite post today

Chaqa's not cleared if I die lol

A small townpoint to EMC for pointing this out.

Neph is saying a lot odd, not entirely accurate, things.

[e.m.c^42]

Was just thinking about the whole Donny role speculation.

Who would benefit more from obscuring it with their powers at Donny's lynch? Islanders, or Enemies?

Logic would tell me that us Islanders are worse off, because we can't 100% use all Donny's interactions as sure-tells about Donny's accomplices if he is Enemy, or his Enemies if he was Islander.

So that is why I am leaning to thinking Donny was Enemy. I can't see any reason why an Islander would obscure the lynch target's role - whether Donny was Islander or Enemy, what was important was WHAT HE WAS, not whether he was one or the other.

Hmm, logical but simple. occam's razer or just one dimensional?

@emc, was that post logical? How does "So that is why I am leaning to thinking Donny was Enemy" follow from what was said before, and what does "what was important was WHAT HE WAS, not whether he was one or the other" even mean?

It holds to it's own, demented internal logic, yes. I interpreted the post as this;

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Who would benefit from janitoring Donny?

Town is worse off in this scenario because we do not know his alignment while scum does know, and so there are no connections to be found. But because that is too simplistic I'm going to pull wifom and say that Donny was scum (who got janitored by scum).

I can't see town janitoring him regardless of what his alignment is.

His role is important, yes, but there's no point in discussing what his role was since everyone who knows, already knows and is obscuring the fact, and everyone who doesn't know won't know.

[e.m.c^42]

It's highly simplified and stated in a rather convoluted way, but I get the point he was trying to make.

[e.m.c^42]

Unless, of course, I misread lol

[xorxes]

I actually think that RHK games some incredibly good points.

I'm not sure how I feel about the 'rate 1-10' facebook knockoff bs. It seems like fishing with extra steps. Either massclaim or don't do shit.

I don't know if that's inherently scummy as a post because he's a newer player. If he is scum I'd almost have to lean that there is a scum role enabling day chat which would suuuuuck.

This post is actually rather good. This would indicate that it's likely scum that were pushing the massclaim (need to check who) as, assuming they have day chat. It would work heavily in their favour.

I can follow where he's coming from and also like his pick on the VCA.

I can place him a P I L E of town

I asked Demon this, but I think he never answered. Since you liked his post maybe you can answer for him. How does the 1-10 question suggest that there is scum day-chat?

[e.m.c^42]

It's [his interpretation of the situation] highly simplified and stated in a rather convoluted way, but I get the point he was trying to make.

[bozotheclown]

@bozo quick question. If a jailer targets you do you claim jailed or roleblocked?

I have never been jailed that I remember, but it is different than being roleblocked, so I would assume you would find out you were jailed.

Yes but you have been referring to the roleblock quite a bit and I was interested as to whether in your mind this was synonymous with being jailed. Considering that worcej has claimed that there isn't a mafia roleblock, you seem awfully sure that the jailer is town. Can you expand on this?

I am not sure what you are referring to. I asked foodcoats is he knew if his power would happen before a roleblock, but I do not think I said anything about being sure the jailer is town, or anything about the jailer at all.

[e.m.c^42]

Xorxes, was Donny's unfortunate coincidence (that was taken as a slip) really so influential on your scumread of him that you are willing to completely ignore, this is a radical concept, reading me as an individual?

You do tunnel at times but this is poor play.

[Nephthys]

Marche,

Looking back, even through brains case there's a logical flow to what he's writing, he's questioning how the newer players are behaving which, to me, indicates that he's trying to build on what he has and go from there. I like it. Then we have his solid defense of himself.

Also as a nice side, he isn't giving in to OMGUS.

How fun

[xorxes]

Neph, that was so scummy, what the hell

See for xorx I can get it, since even if he townreads me he'll still vote for me due to him being stuck tunneling the dead Donny, but you?

I townread you D1. I did not see D2 the same emc of D1, but maybe that was because of all the pressure.

[e.m.c^42]

## vote EMC

I think he is 3p. If I'm right we also got Chaqa. If he flips town we have a townclear with redundant power and not an attractive NK . Good gamble imo.

Whatever you are currently thinking about Chaqa's role, I urge you to consider more. You're more shrewd than this, damo, unless you're deliberately playing obtuse as scum.

[xorxes]

Flashy's turn

I think that opening up a massclaim D2 after not pushing it D1 is, towny with a daychat (I.e donny is scum) scummy without (donny is town)

Oh look, more reason to vote EMC


Until proven otherwise,

J O I N
T H E
P I L E

If Donny was town, we don't really have any clue if there's daychat or not, do we?

[Nephthys]

I actually think that RHK games some incredibly good points.

I'm not sure how I feel about the 'rate 1-10' facebook knockoff bs. It seems like fishing with extra steps. Either massclaim or don't do shit.

I don't know if that's inherently scummy as a post because he's a newer player. If he is scum I'd almost have to lean that there is a scum role enabling day chat which would suuuuuck.

This post is actually rather good. This would indicate that it's likely scum that were pushing the massclaim (need to check who) as, assuming they have day chat. It would work heavily in their favour.

I can follow where he's coming from and also like his pick on the VCA.

I can place him a P I L E of town

I asked Demon this, but I think he never answered. Since you liked his post maybe you can answer for him. How does the 1-10 question suggest that there is scum day-chat?

my understanding

He thought donny was scum
Donny had pushed some form of masslcaim
That makes the most sense if there is a daychat.

I think it's a nice take on it.

[e.m.c^42]

Neph, that was so scummy, what the hell

See for xorx I can get it, since even if he townreads me he'll still vote for me due to him being stuck tunneling the dead Donny, but you?

I townread you D1. I did not see D2 the same emc of D1, but maybe that was because of all the pressure.

Quite likely, feel free to ask me about something else too lol

Chaqa ruined a number of my plans just spilling like that, but I understand why he did it in consideration of food pulling all the night actions.

[Nephthys]

Flashy's turn

I think that opening up a massclaim D2 after not pushing it D1 is, towny with a daychat (I.e donny is scum) scummy without (donny is town)

Oh look, more reason to vote EMC


Until proven otherwise,

J O I N
T H E
P I L E

If Donny was town, we don't really have any clue if there's daychat or not, do we?

No but if we want to use a dichotomy that the best we've got.

[xorxes]

There's probably another third party since I don't really count as one - the alignment change makes it just a dice roll on what side gains essentially a oneshot lynch avoidant role.

You no longer count as one, but you would have counted as one if you had been the first one to die, right? So if you were 3P and there's another 3P, the game started with (at least) two 3P factions.

[e.m.c^42]

I'm now wondering if Neph's usage of "P I L E" is something lmao

[e.m.c^42]

There's probably another third party since I don't really count as one - the alignment change makes it just a dice roll on what side gains essentially a oneshot lynch avoidant role.

You no longer count as one, but you would have counted as one if you had been the first one to die, right? So if you were 3P and there's another 3P, the game started with (at least) two 3P factions.

If I was vigged or first lynch I think I exit the game as 3P loss, yeah. For everyone else it would've been the like equivalent of no-lynch lol.

But since I see this role similar to say, a survivor 3P, there's not an unlikely chance that we have a more active 3P role as well that has a wincon of it's own.