M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[e.m.c^42]

Neph, that was so scummy, what the hell

See for xorx I can get it, since even if he townreads me he'll still vote for me due to him being stuck tunneling the dead Donny, but you?

[rdrivera2005]

What information emc lynch will bring that can´t be discovered in other ways.
If he is telling the truth he can´t track some of the people already claiming visiting roles. Scum can roleblock him, but then they won´t roleblock other possible PRs. They can roleblock the visiting PRs, but they will have have to guess right and they are good Watcher targets if we have one.
If he is lying he will have to claim RB or something like that every night and we will lynch him later.
Town tracker is a powerfull role in a setup where all scum have roles and I think scum will be really interested in killing him.

Just to correct the last post.
"If he is telling the truth he can track some of the people already claiming visiting roles."

It's been suggested that mafia could have a tracker too, though, so emc could "clear" himself like you say but still actually be mafia. Unless I missed where we decided this wasn't possible...?

That´s a good point. I don´t remember to ever see a scum tracker in a Mafia Game, but I also don´t remember a 3rd party UB, so I guess it´s possible. I was Tracker last game, maybe why it´s hard to me see this role as scum.

[Nephthys]

Flashy's turn

I think that opening up a massclaim D2 after not pushing it D1 is, towny with a daychat (I.e donny is scum) scummy without (donny is town)

Oh look, more reason to vote EMC


Until proven otherwise,

J O I N
T H E
P I L E

[rdrivera2005]

What information emc lynch will bring that can´t be discovered in other ways.
If he is telling the truth he can´t track some of the people already claiming visiting roles. Scum can roleblock him, but then they won´t roleblock other possible PRs. They can roleblock the visiting PRs, but they will have have to guess right and they are good Watcher targets if we have one.
If he is lying he will have to claim RB or something like that every night and we will lynch him later.
Town tracker is a powerfull role in a setup where all scum have roles and I think scum will be really interested in killing him.

It's faster? It doesn't devote large amounts of resources. If he's scum you can bet that he's gonna accidentally follow the wrong person or be jailed or something. There's no way we can town conf him tonight therefore I think lynching is better

It does not take any town resources to do this.

That´s why I don´t want to vote Bozo yet.

[e.m.c^42]

There's probably another third party since I don't really count as one - the alignment change makes it just a dice roll on what side gains essentially a oneshot lynch avoidant role.

[kgray]

Why was it different in your case?

But fair enough, I agree about pattern recognition being easy/natural to focus on. I certainly did that my first game, and probably still do too much. But, I think this is something that's pretty easy to notice as scum, just as much as town, so I think it's NAI from Bismarck.

In my case, I had picked up that someone (who turned out to be scum) had their read list ordered almost exactly by post count - the more posts, the townier, the less the scummier. So it's not quite the same situation but pattern seeking regardless.

I do suppose it would be easy to notice as scum, but when I play I always end up focusing on different things. Also, what motivation would he have to point out this out of all things? Especially considering how few posts he has, his ability to coast, and other possible comments he could've made if his intention was to appear towny.

I'd think that as scum he'd feel pressured to make some reads, and to look like he's trying to figure things out. That's why I think him making that point is NAI, because it's a relatively safe thing to point out regardless. He doesn't have to back up any reads or make connections or anything, because he's just point out a fact.

[Nephthys]

Summit

ooo wow this was a pleasure to read, its me from a younger era.

There are WALLLLLLLLLLS
There is coherence of though
There are pushes
There is a desire for information

I Like this guy

Please never stop playing this game
<3 <3 <3

P I L E

[foodcoats]

## vote EMC

I think he is 3p. If I'm right we also got Chaqa. If he flips town we have a townclear with redundant power and not an attractive NK . Good gamble imo.

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##vote emc

You don't want to lynch Bismarck instead?

[e.m.c^42]

I'd think that as scum he'd feel pressured to make some reads, and to look like he's trying to figure things out. That's why I think him making that point is NAI, because it's a relatively safe thing to point out regardless. He doesn't have to back up any reads or make connections or anything, because he's just point out a fact.

Mhh yeah. I was mainly banking on the fact that gut said this particular fact is more of a noobtown notice rather than a scum one. I concede to your point.

[bozotheclown]

I agree with this 100%. However, even if she is scum, she is not the only one. Surely there are other people you think could be scum?

Yes, but I do not know who they are. When no one stands out as a scum suspect, I try to narrow down the scum possibilities by POE. First, I am assuming for now that the claims are real, if not they can be sorted later. Of the remaining players, the following seem most likely to be town to me: Foxcastle, kgray, Nephthys, rdrivera, TheMarche, summit_fever, and xorxes. That leaves BismarckAlive, damo, dargorygel, DemonRHK, flash, SarahK24, and Vecna as my top scum suspects.

As one of the few people left that still has me on the town side, care to elaborate?

I have not agreed with a number of your reads, but you seem to be arguing them from a town perspective. I am not as confident about you being town as some others, though.

[e.m.c^42]

It somewhat concerns me that Neph doesn't even attempt putting reads on people who post more than him lol

[rdrivera2005]

It's faster? It doesn't devote large amounts of resources. If he's scum you can bet that he's gonna accidentally follow the wrong person or be jailed or something. There's no way we can town conf him tonight therefore I think lynching is better

It does not take any town resources to do this.

Is the idea that emc would just track Jamie or brain, and if emc can tell us who they visit and they confirm, then they're both clear? What if Jamie or brain are also scum?

They won´t be clear, clear, but we consider them clear for a while. I hardly believe scum will let them live really long so we will have an answer. With so many roles around town best chance to win is to have a pool of clears or semi-clears.

[e.m.c^42]

It somewhat concerns me that Neph doesn't even attempt putting reads on people who post more than him lol

Or not even reads but just general off commenting

[Jamiet99uk]

@bozo quick question. If a jailer targets you do you claim jailed or roleblocked?

Why
are
you
only
asking
Bozo?

[Nephthys]

EMC is 3p again!

And so is Chaqa. But not again.

Maybe.

Well played...

I like damo's post regarding lynching EMC and clearing Chaqa, it makes a lot of sense I have to say its probably my favourite post today

[bozotheclown]

@bozo quick question. If a jailer targets you do you claim jailed or roleblocked?

I have never been jailed that I remember, but it is different than being roleblocked, so I would assume you would find out you were jailed.

[rdrivera2005]

Will play with my daughter that is already complaining I am playing that "boring game" again. Back later.

[e.m.c^42]

EMC is 3p again!

And so is Chaqa. But not again.

Maybe.

Well played...

I like damo's post regarding lynching EMC and clearing Chaqa, it makes a lot of sense I have to say its probably my favourite post today

Chaqa's not cleared if I die lol

[Nephthys]

It somewhat concerns me that Neph doesn't even attempt putting reads on people who post more than him lol

I wonder if I'm starting with the low posters cause theyre easier?

[Nephthys]

@bozo quick question. If a jailer targets you do you claim jailed or roleblocked?

I have never been jailed that I remember, but it is different than being roleblocked, so I would assume you would find out you were jailed.

Yes but you have been referring to the roleblock quite a bit and I was interested as to whether in your mind this was synonymous with being jailed. Considering that worcej has claimed that there isn't a mafia roleblock, you seem awfully sure that the jailer is town. Can you expand on this?