M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[brainbomb]

id be very shocked if chaqa and emc both were scum being this open

[bozotheclown]

I get the feeling that your "scumreads" is nothing more than a list of the lurkers, plus Dargorygel.

Darg is the one person on your scum suspect list who has actually posted quite a lot.

Tell us more about your suspicions of the one known as Dargorygel, o Bozo.

I already explained that in my response to kgray. dargorygel has not done much to make me think he is likely town.

That's it though? No strong evidence against him, simply a lack of reasons to townread him? Ok.

I do not see any "strong evidence" against anyone.

[rdrivera2005]

I think the EMC gives us endlessly more information than anything else and I think there's a reasonable chance he is scum

What information emc lynch will bring that can´t be discovered in other ways.
If he is telling the truth he can´t track some of the people already claiming visiting roles. Scum can roleblock him, but then they won´t roleblock other possible PRs. They can roleblock the visiting PRs, but they will have have to guess right and they are good Watcher targets if we have one.
If he is lying he will have to claim RB or something like that every night and we will lynch him later.
Town tracker is a powerfull role in a setup where all scum have roles and I think scum will be really interested in killing him.

[rdrivera2005]

I think the EMC gives us endlessly more information than anything else and I think there's a reasonable chance he is scum

What information emc lynch will bring that can´t be discovered in other ways.
If he is telling the truth he can´t track some of the people already claiming visiting roles. Scum can roleblock him, but then they won´t roleblock other possible PRs. They can roleblock the visiting PRs, but they will have have to guess right and they are good Watcher targets if we have one.
If he is lying he will have to claim RB or something like that every night and we will lynch him later.
Town tracker is a powerfull role in a setup where all scum have roles and I think scum will be really interested in killing him.

Just to correct the last post.
"If he is telling the truth he can track some of the people already claiming visiting roles."

[Jamiet99uk]

I think the EMC gives us endlessly more information than anything else and I think there's a reasonable chance he is scum.

What information emc lynch will bring that can´t be discovered in other ways.
If he is telling the truth he can´t track some of the people already claiming visiting roles. Scum can roleblock him, but then they won´t roleblock other possible PRs. They can roleblock the visiting PRs, but they will have have to guess right and they are good Watcher targets if we have one.
If he is lying he will have to claim RB or something like that every night and we will lynch him later.
Town tracker is a powerfull role in a setup where all scum have roles and I think scum will be really interested in killing him.

Perhaps you would like to lynch Bozotheclown then?

[Nephthys]

Sooo time to do some reading. This game is confusing

First of all, lets start with Bismarck

In his ISO there is very little.

The main thing I dislike here is that he states that Donny was "scum through and through." Now I got nothing wrong with that and he is likely correct, however to not follow that up with an EMC vote is fundamentally flawed.

Also he poked Fox about his read list (a nice catch that indicates he's reading semi-closely) but hasn't pushed it at all since.

I can't in good conscience ever put someone like this in a town grouping.

[bozotheclown]

I could get into why I think certain players are likely town, but I doubt anyone would care.

I would certainly be interested.

As would I.

OK, I will get into it when I have more time.

[kgray]

I think the EMC gives us endlessly more information than anything else and I think there's a reasonable chance he is scum

What information emc lynch will bring that can´t be discovered in other ways.
If he is telling the truth he can´t track some of the people already claiming visiting roles. Scum can roleblock him, but then they won´t roleblock other possible PRs. They can roleblock the visiting PRs, but they will have have to guess right and they are good Watcher targets if we have one.
If he is lying he will have to claim RB or something like that every night and we will lynch him later.
Town tracker is a powerfull role in a setup where all scum have roles and I think scum will be really interested in killing him.

Just to correct the last post.
"If he is telling the truth he can track some of the people already claiming visiting roles."

It's been suggested that mafia could have a tracker too, though, so emc could "clear" himself like you say but still actually be mafia. Unless I missed where we decided this wasn't possible...?

[bozotheclown]

I think the EMC gives us endlessly more information than anything else and I think there's a reasonable chance he is scum

What information emc lynch will bring that can´t be discovered in other ways.
If he is telling the truth he can´t track some of the people already claiming visiting roles. Scum can roleblock him, but then they won´t roleblock other possible PRs. They can roleblock the visiting PRs, but they will have have to guess right and they are good Watcher targets if we have one.
If he is lying he will have to claim RB or something like that every night and we will lynch him later.
Town tracker is a powerfull role in a setup where all scum have roles and I think scum will be really interested in killing him.

Here is an example of why I think rdrivera is town.

[Nephthys]

I think the EMC gives us endlessly more information than anything else and I think there's a reasonable chance he is scum

What information emc lynch will bring that can´t be discovered in other ways.
If he is telling the truth he can´t track some of the people already claiming visiting roles. Scum can roleblock him, but then they won´t roleblock other possible PRs. They can roleblock the visiting PRs, but they will have have to guess right and they are good Watcher targets if we have one.
If he is lying he will have to claim RB or something like that every night and we will lynch him later.
Town tracker is a powerfull role in a setup where all scum have roles and I think scum will be really interested in killing him.

It's faster? It doesn't devote large amounts of resources. If he's scum you can bet that he's gonna accidentally follow the wrong person or be jailed or something. There's no way we can town conf him tonight therefore I think lynching is better

[bozotheclown]

What information emc lynch will bring that can´t be discovered in other ways.
If he is telling the truth he can´t track some of the people already claiming visiting roles. Scum can roleblock him, but then they won´t roleblock other possible PRs. They can roleblock the visiting PRs, but they will have have to guess right and they are good Watcher targets if we have one.
If he is lying he will have to claim RB or something like that every night and we will lynch him later.
Town tracker is a powerfull role in a setup where all scum have roles and I think scum will be really interested in killing him.

Just to correct the last post.
"If he is telling the truth he can track some of the people already claiming visiting roles."

It's been suggested that mafia could have a tracker too, though, so emc could "clear" himself like you say but still actually be mafia. Unless I missed where we decided this wasn't possible...?

Possible, but not likely. Tracker would not be a very useful role for mafia.

[bozotheclown]

I think the EMC gives us endlessly more information than anything else and I think there's a reasonable chance he is scum

What information emc lynch will bring that can´t be discovered in other ways.
If he is telling the truth he can´t track some of the people already claiming visiting roles. Scum can roleblock him, but then they won´t roleblock other possible PRs. They can roleblock the visiting PRs, but they will have have to guess right and they are good Watcher targets if we have one.
If he is lying he will have to claim RB or something like that every night and we will lynch him later.
Town tracker is a powerfull role in a setup where all scum have roles and I think scum will be really interested in killing him.

It's faster? It doesn't devote large amounts of resources. If he's scum you can bet that he's gonna accidentally follow the wrong person or be jailed or something. There's no way we can town conf him tonight therefore I think lynching is better

It does not take any town resources to do this.

[Nephthys]

I actually think that RHK games some incredibly good points.

I'm not sure how I feel about the 'rate 1-10' facebook knockoff bs. It seems like fishing with extra steps. Either massclaim or don't do shit.

I don't know if that's inherently scummy as a post because he's a newer player. If he is scum I'd almost have to lean that there is a scum role enabling day chat which would suuuuuck.

This post is actually rather good. This would indicate that it's likely scum that were pushing the massclaim (need to check who) as, assuming they have day chat. It would work heavily in their favour.

I can follow where he's coming from and also like his pick on the VCA.

I can place him a P I L E of town

[rdrivera2005]

I think the EMC gives us endlessly more information than anything else and I think there's a reasonable chance he is scum.

What information emc lynch will bring that can´t be discovered in other ways.
If he is telling the truth he can´t track some of the people already claiming visiting roles. Scum can roleblock him, but then they won´t roleblock other possible PRs. They can roleblock the visiting PRs, but they will have have to guess right and they are good Watcher targets if we have one.
If he is lying he will have to claim RB or something like that every night and we will lynch him later.
Town tracker is a powerfull role in a setup where all scum have roles and I think scum will be really interested in killing him.

Perhaps you would like to lynch Bozotheclown then?

Bozo is not a bad wagon, he is a null to me and I don´t remember last time it happened, he usually make an impression.

[summit_fever]

I think the EMC gives us endlessly more information than anything else and I think there's a reasonable chance he is scum

What information emc lynch will bring that can´t be discovered in other ways.
If he is telling the truth he can´t track some of the people already claiming visiting roles. Scum can roleblock him, but then they won´t roleblock other possible PRs. They can roleblock the visiting PRs, but they will have have to guess right and they are good Watcher targets if we have one.
If he is lying he will have to claim RB or something like that every night and we will lynch him later.
Town tracker is a powerfull role in a setup where all scum have roles and I think scum will be really interested in killing him.

It's faster? It doesn't devote large amounts of resources. If he's scum you can bet that he's gonna accidentally follow the wrong person or be jailed or something. There's no way we can town conf him tonight therefore I think lynching is better

Because we can't confirm him as town we should lynch him?

rdr looking townish.

[e.m.c^42]

Why was it different in your case?

But fair enough, I agree about pattern recognition being easy/natural to focus on. I certainly did that my first game, and probably still do too much. But, I think this is something that's pretty easy to notice as scum, just as much as town, so I think it's NAI from Bismarck.

In my case, I had picked up that someone (who turned out to be scum) had their read list ordered almost exactly by post count - the more posts, the townier, the less the scummier. So it's not quite the same situation but pattern seeking regardless.

I do suppose it would be easy to notice as scum, but when I play I always end up focusing on different things. Also, what motivation would he have to point out this out of all things? Especially considering how few posts he has, his ability to coast, and other possible comments he could've made if his intention was to appear towny.

[foodcoats]

@emc, would you want to comment on that?

I don't understand this, xorxes. Are you saying that the 3P emc is claiming is not a 3P faction or something? This seems pedantic.

The wording changed from this in the signup:

1. There is one mafia faction, one town faction, and a 3P faction
2. There is a 3p

To this:

1. There is one mafia faction, one town faction, and a 3P faction
2. There is at least one 3p (obviously)

It suggests a faction with more than one member (or a growing faction).

Also this:

[*]For ability adjudication, the town teams ability will go first, then mafia, followed by 3P.

suggests at least the possibility that the 3P faction can have abilities.

So it is not conclusive, but if a single Third Party Universal Backup that disappears after the first death is considered a 3P faction, and "a" was changed to "at least one" for some reason, then I think I'm justified in being suspicious.

Is this level of nitpicking scum indicative? foodcoats says... yes.

[Nephthys]

@bozo quick question. If a jailer targets you do you claim jailed or roleblocked?

[kgray]

What information emc lynch will bring that can´t be discovered in other ways.
If he is telling the truth he can´t track some of the people already claiming visiting roles. Scum can roleblock him, but then they won´t roleblock other possible PRs. They can roleblock the visiting PRs, but they will have have to guess right and they are good Watcher targets if we have one.
If he is lying he will have to claim RB or something like that every night and we will lynch him later.
Town tracker is a powerfull role in a setup where all scum have roles and I think scum will be really interested in killing him.

It's faster? It doesn't devote large amounts of resources. If he's scum you can bet that he's gonna accidentally follow the wrong person or be jailed or something. There's no way we can town conf him tonight therefore I think lynching is better

It does not take any town resources to do this.

Is the idea that emc would just track Jamie or brain, and if emc can tell us who they visit and they confirm, then they're both clear? What if Jamie or brain are also scum?

[e.m.c^42]

Neph, that was so scummy, what the hell