M55: The Last Party - Game Thread

[bozotheclown]

I get the feeling we should lynch Bozo tbh

That is hard to understand with all of the players who have not shown much interest yet in solving the game.

The difference is, you usually do, and aren't.

I disagree.

[bozotheclown]

Not saying it is AI. But I expected bozo to have a lot more mech-talk. He seems to be mostly almost gut feeling things.

What gut feeling has bozo shared this game?

I'm reading his scum deduction list that way.ostly because he provides no real bozo data for his townies.

I could get into why I think certain players are likely town, but I doubt anyone would care.

[summit_fever]

What gut feeling has bozo shared this game?

I'm reading his scum deduction list that way.ostly because he provides no real bozo data for his townies.

I could get into why I think certain players are likely town, but I doubt anyone would care.

I would certainly be interested.

[Jamiet99uk]

I hath the feeling thou wert not trying to protect me.

I get the feeling that your "scumreads" is nothing more than a list of the lurkers, plus Dargorygel.

Darg is the one person on your scum suspect list who has actually posted quite a lot.

Tell us more about your suspicions of the one known as Dargorygel, o Bozo.

I already explained that in my response to kgray. dargorygel has not done much to make me think he is likely town.

That's it though? No strong evidence against him, simply a lack of reasons to townread him? Ok.

[brainbomb]

are we counting fox as helpful today

[DemonRHK]

I was 30 pages behind.

I'm inclined to believe emc for now, at leasxt on the role, faction might not be town but scum tracker would be a new one on me.

Chaqa is a bit less alignment indicative, but there are other places tro look now.

Food is as close to conf as we have. LR is another role I've never and could not see being scum. Sorry for D1 man.

In an attempt to get off of (at least parttially) the merry-go-round of Chaqa/emc/donny talk, I would like to bring up xorx.

@Xorxes: Is you main case against emc that he took on a scum donny's alignment, of that we was already harmfully aligned to town with a power theft role?

[summit_fever]

What do you think of everyone who has given some indication about their roles?

Chaqa and EMC are working to portray Donny as town. I just don't buy that a new town player would approach the game in that way. They're both putting effort into +1'ing posts. Chaqa claimed the power was used up. Why would he continue to do this?

Donny crumbed Fruit Vendor and Vecna crumbed 3p right back at him. Any reason in particular you did that Vecna?

Welcome to my safariland. We have Pineapples, Papayas and passion fruits.

I'd like to know some more about Foodcoat's role before I surmise further. It didn't seem like a very town friendly action on N1.

Quite tired now so it's time to relax for a bit and get back to this tomorrow.

How it isn't friendly to town? Scum lost his NK which was presumably on a town (not counting Driver) and also SK lost his kill/recruit/infect/dose/ whatever due to the Jailor.

Why do you think this is a 3p crumb?

I hadn't considered stopping other night killers. I was focused on the loss of town power roles and not on those who avoided a night kill.

[xorxes]

are we counting fox as helpful today

No

[kgray]

I'm reading his scum deduction list that way.ostly because he provides no real bozo data for his townies.

I could get into why I think certain players are likely town, but I doubt anyone would care.

I would certainly be interested.

As would I.

[kgray]

Not saying it is AI. But I expected bozo to have a lot more mech-talk. He seems to be mostly almost gut feeling things.

What gut feeling has bozo shared this game?

I'm reading his scum deduction list that way.ostly because he provides no real bozo data for his townies.

He hasn't really provided any reasons whatsoever, whether gut reads or based on some sort of data.

[xorxes]

I was 30 pages behind.

I'm inclined to believe emc for now, at leasxt on the role, faction might not be town but scum tracker would be a new one on me.

Chaqa is a bit less alignment indicative, but there are other places tro look now.

Food is as close to conf as we have. LR is another role I've never and could not see being scum. Sorry for D1 man.

In an attempt to get off of (at least parttially) the merry-go-round of Chaqa/emc/donny talk, I would like to bring up xorx.

@Xorxes: Is you main case against emc that he took on a scum donny's alignment, of that we was already harmfully aligned to town with a power theft role?

My main case against emc is that I think Donny was scum, and for emc to be town it is required that Donny be town.

As for my speculation on emc's role. He could have started as 3P Universal Backup as he claims, received Donny's role, which was either scum Tracker or some other scum role with Tracker as fakeclaim.

Or, he could have started as some other Mafia role, and Donny was Janitored by either him or a teammate.

I don't think Chaqa can be Mafia. I do believe he has a private QT and I don't see Mafia getting a second QT. Also if Donny was Mafia, from my ISO of him it looked very unlikely that Chaqa was his teammate. I can see Chaqa as 3P, in which case he recruited emc, but at this point it looks more likely that Chaqa is town.

[Jamiet99uk]

I don't think Chaqa can be Mafia. I do believe he has a private QT and I don't see Mafia getting a second QT. Also if Donny was Mafia, from my ISO of him it looked very unlikely that Chaqa was his teammate. I can see Chaqa as 3P, in which case he recruited emc, but at this point it looks more likely that Chaqa is town.

In that case, if EMC's claim about his original role is true, would he now be part of Chaqa's cult, or would he now have whatever alignment Donny had on death? Which conversion would trump the other?

[brainbomb]

inb4 chaqa is mafia driver who has to give karma or his camaro breaks down on route 9

[xorxes]

I don't think Chaqa can be Mafia. I do believe he has a private QT and I don't see Mafia getting a second QT. Also if Donny was Mafia, from my ISO of him it looked very unlikely that Chaqa was his teammate. I can see Chaqa as 3P, in which case he recruited emc, but at this point it looks more likely that Chaqa is town.

In that case, if EMC's claim about his original role is true, would he now be part of Chaqa's cult, or would he now have whatever alignment Donny had on death? Which conversion would trump the other?

Hmm... good question.

Chaqa said emc gained access to the QT during D1 so at that point he must have known he was converted. I don't know if he would keep his previous powers and then be able to convert back into whatever Donny was. Too weird. Probably not what happened anyway.

[kgray]

I don't think Chaqa can be Mafia. I do believe he has a private QT and I don't see Mafia getting a second QT. Also if Donny was Mafia, from my ISO of him it looked very unlikely that Chaqa was his teammate. I can see Chaqa as 3P, in which case he recruited emc, but at this point it looks more likely that Chaqa is town.

In that case, if EMC's claim about his original role is true, would he now be part of Chaqa's cult, or would he now have whatever alignment Donny had on death? Which conversion would trump the other?

Hmm... good question.

Chaqa said emc gained access to the QT during D1 so at that point he must have known he was converted. I don't know if he would keep his previous powers and then be able to convert back into whatever Donny was. Too weird. Probably not what happened anyway.

I think he'd be in Chaqa's cult.

If Chaqa converted him D1, when emc learned about the chat, then emc's role would presumably have changed to whatever the 3p cult role is at that point, and then emc wouldn't have the power that allows him to take Donny's role when Donny was lynched. If the conversion didn't happen until the QT was available, that would have been N1 after Donny already died and emc already took Donny's role. So emc would still have been converted to Chaqa's cult, because nothing about Donny's role (presumably) would prevent that.

I guess it's possible that a cult conversion wouldn't change the power, just the alignment... in which case, I think if Chaqa converted emc D1 before Donny died, then emc's power would still cause him to change his alignment to whatever Donny's was.

[Nephthys]

I think there is a reasonable chance Sarah is scum because she is showing little interest in solving the game, if not, she is a town liability.

I agree with this 100%. However, even if she is scum, she is not the only one. Surely there are other people you think could be scum?

Yes, but I do not know who they are. When no one stands out as a scum suspect, I try to narrow down the scum possibilities by POE. First, I am assuming for now that the claims are real, if not they can be sorted later. Of the remaining players, the following seem most likely to be town to me: Foxcastle, kgray, Nephthys, rdrivera, TheMarche, summit_fever, and xorxes. That leaves BismarckAlive, damo, dargorygel, DemonRHK, flash, SarahK24, and Vecna as my top scum suspects.

As one of the few people left that still has me on the town side, care to elaborate?

[Nephthys]

Yea so I'm inclined to rest my case against food now

[Nephthys]

I think the EMC gives us endlessly more information than anything else and I think there's a reasonable chance he is scum

[Nephthys]

##vote emc

[Nephthys]

I'm quite liking xorx on the whole, seems to be doing alright